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And truth be told, for a lot of people AMD's offerings are insanely good right now, to the point where this just seems laughably expensive. When you can build a PC with an AMD 12 core for a fraction of the price why bother with this?

Does that build-your-own PC come with support, a warranty, and optional AppleCare that most companies/professionals want? macOS?
 
The $6000 starter unit is a great machine at a great price, to grow with over the years. Lots of memory slots, lots of high speed PCI slots, two SDD stick slots, it looks like the processor is easy to remove and upgrade the processor down the road and Upgrade the video card down the road. A machine that a user could use for 10 years and still have a great machine with small upgrades over the 10 years. I want one so bad but i work a 40 hour IT job and it would sit at home a large part of the time being unused, unless i try to do a remote connection to my office but it would be kind of slow. So i will most likely settle for a Macbook Pro 16, with a EGPU box and then just upgrade it ever 5 years to keep up with technology advancements.
What's worrying is Apple's record when it came to its pro products' expansion options, we have several years' worth of greatly expansion-capable Mac Pros that were left out in the cold when it came to upgrading the CPU and GPU - things like RAM, storage, specialized cards are a given, but the core stuff was always mysterious MIA.
 
Sorry for the stupid question, but can someone add multiple internal drives to it? Would be nice to have extra storage space without taking up desk space, separate drives for OS/Apps and user files, or one drive for macOS, one for another OS.

Yes but you need to buy a separate part for that.

And for OS and Apps, you CAN NOT expand or replace SSD cause only Apple makes it and there is no way to get it separately.
 
What's worrying is Apple's record when it came to its pro products' expansion options, we have several years' worth of greatly expansion-capable Mac Pros that were left out in the cold when it came to upgrading the CPU and GPU - things like RAM, storage, specialized cards are a given, but the core stuff was always mysterious MIA.

I'm not sure you're fully informed about the CPU and GPU upgrade possibilities that existed with the MP4,1 & MP5,1 machines. Go to the Mac Pro forum and you'll see tons of links for those.

Standard off the shelf Sapphire Pulse RX 580 8GB GPUs are Apple's own recommended for these machines for Mojave.

CPUs are restricted to the same "CLASS" or "SERIES" that Apple's stock are issued. I'm running dual X5690's in MP5,1 and these were never available as an option from Apple. RAM is at 128GB and this was not possible from Apple at the time. System boot drive is an NVMe, which was possible from Apple's BootROM update.

This flexibility is the hope for the MP7,1.
 
Has the date been pushed out of October? They'll have to announce it today/tomorrrow for it be October.

I believe that Apple announced that it would be released this quarter which ends sometime in December (I may be wrong).

Where did you read that Apple said it would be released in October ?
 
What's worrying is Apple's record when it came to its pro products' expansion options, we have several years' worth of greatly expansion-capable Mac Pros that were left out in the cold when it came to upgrading the CPU and GPU - things like RAM, storage, specialized cards are a given, but the core stuff was always mysterious MIA.
Ahh if you look at the hardware images, it does not look like this on the new product. It has regular PCI slots also. The processor does not use that crappy thermo paste with a hugh water cooling block that is a disaster waiting to happen both the thermal paste and the water cool block. You flip a couple of holders and pull out the processor and stick a new one in. And maybe we will even see a Nvidia support come back for the Mac Pro. We will all have to see.
 
Most Visual Effects companies won't be able to afford these for their artists in any significant capacity. The bigger companies might get a few units for the odd task here and there (in an Avid suite for example) but the vast majority of 2D and 3D VFX-artists will continue their work on HP's, Dells, what have you. Apple priced their 'pièce de résistance' well beyond their means.

go look at pro workstations... My last PC one cost £18K.

If you need a machine for work and it's primary source of earning money then even 30K is not a lot. My Gardener bought a pick up truck for work and that cost more than that - Wonder if people go on forums complaining that you could buy a Nissan cheaper than a For or whatever?
 
Sorry for being confused, but I thought I read somewhere that upgradding internals (RAM, Storage, Graphics cards and processors) can only be done by Apple because of some T2 security chip being paired with them or some verification process for every part that goes into them?

Since the $6000 base model is laughable, and obviously any "pro" needs to upgrade literally EVERYTHING to use it, do we have to pay Apple-prices for SSDs and RAM and such or can we get stuff from OWC if they get it certified?
 
Sorry for being confused, but I thought I read somewhere that upgradding internals (RAM, Storage, Graphics cards and processors) can only be done by Apple because of some T2 security chip being paired with them or some verification process for every part that goes into them?

Since the $6000 base model is laughable, and obviously any "pro" needs to upgrade literally EVERYTHING to use it, do we have to pay Apple-prices for SSDs and RAM and such or can we get stuff from OWC if they get it certified?

OWC, will be the place.
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Last Day of Fall is December 21 so Apple still has over a month and a half to deliver for fall :)
 
Not all the pros. In motion graphics, VFX and 3D animation it's pretty shocking. The CPU is impressive but the base model comes with the same GPU as a regular iMac. The storage is laughable - 256GB for the base model in 2019?

Without Nvidia support, a lot of people will ignore it.

Sure... but the upgrade GPUs are beasts and you can install any AMD GPU... I do wish they supported Nvidia but its issues on both sides as I understand it.

Pretty much every Crevice software company is behind this. Including traditional Nvidia only software like Redshift and Octane.... they are realising AMD versions because of this machine and presumably some Apple Cash! Nvidia is less relevant in a lot of cases now.

Storage isn't great but there is always a sweet spot with Apple machines.
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And truth be told, for a lot of people AMD's offerings are insanely good right now, to the point where this just seems laughably expensive. When you can build a PC with an AMD 12 core for a fraction of the price why bother with this?

Because of the insane mess that is Windoze.
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What's worrying is Apple's record when it came to its pro products' expansion options, we have several years' worth of greatly expansion-capable Mac Pros that were left out in the cold when it came to upgrading the CPU and GPU - things like RAM, storage, specialized cards are a given, but the core stuff was always mysterious MIA.

I suspect future AMD GPUs will be supported. CPU looks to be swappable. I do think they have listened in a lot of ways... well apart from Nvidia support... but who knows... it may happen in the future.
 
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Sorry for being confused, but I thought I read somewhere that upgradding internals (RAM, Storage, Graphics cards and processors) can only be done by Apple because of some T2 security chip being paired with them or some verification process for every part that goes into them?

Since the $6000 base model is laughable, and obviously any "pro" needs to upgrade literally EVERYTHING to use it, do we have to pay Apple-prices for SSDs and RAM and such or can we get stuff from OWC if they get it certified?
No, you can upgrade yourself with any compatible parts. OWC will definitely be proving stuff for it. But it won’t happen out of the gate for sure
 
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No, you can upgrade yourself with any compatible parts. OWC will definitely be proving stuff for it. But it won’t happen out of the gate for sure

I did see on OWC website on the main page they were all ready showing the Mac Pro and the memory upgrades and external drives and hubs for the new computer.

 
Sorry for being confused, but I thought I read somewhere that upgradding internals (RAM, Storage, Graphics cards and processors) can only be done by Apple because of some T2 security chip being paired with them or some verification process for every part that goes into them?

Since the $6000 base model is laughable, and obviously any "pro" needs to upgrade literally EVERYTHING to use it, do we have to pay Apple-prices for SSDs and RAM and such or can we get stuff from OWC if they get it certified?

Well no... it's an amazing Audio workstation - They showed that.

It has standard Sata connectors so should be able to add SSDs - but we don't know about the M2 connector... some people thought that looked like a different type of slot?

I wonder if it will accept PCIE M2 holder cards - probably.

The T2 chip will probably be linked to the main SSD.
 
Well no... it's an amazing Audio workstation - They showed that.

It has standard Sata connectors so should be able to add SSDs - but we don't know about the M2 connector... some people thought that looked like a different type of slot?

I wonder if it will accept PCIE M2 holder cards - probably.

The T2 chip will probably be linked to the main SSD.
That would be my guess also just to the main SSD chips.
 
Why are people OVER AND OVER AND OVER again bitching about how way above their budgets these are in terms of a lump sum purchase, when looking at it from a business finance/leasing point of view it's a bargain! It's no different to leasing a £15,000 car for a deposit plus £100 per week which you then swap out after 3 years for a brand new one!! For the income this purchase should generate (if you use it for what it's designed to do), it's a no-brainer!!!
 
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Nice. The machine pros asked for, and got (finally). Yeah it’s more expensive, but much better and more expandable than the $4,000 8-core Apple currently sells.

Pros who use the 2019 Mac Pro to generate revenue will be able to afford the extra $50/month.
Yeah, no. We did ask for a modular upgradeable design with better cooling but we definitely didn't ask for an absurdly expensive server grade Xeon CPU.
 
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