i have no idea what they are going on about in the video
i want to know how well it will play video games
i want to know how well it will play video games
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New Mac Pro: Simultaneous Real-Time 4K Effect Rendering, +900MB/s Read/Write
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As this mac pro is biased towards video editors, it needs a very fast write speed, in able to render content without any bottlenecking.
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Thats a shame. Nowadays hackintosh's are pretty much as stable as a real mac. I have my CPU over clocked to 4.3GHz and ram to 2133MHz, and it runs amazingly. It has frozen on me a couple of times (rarely), but thats because my over clock is not 100% stable, OSX has never had a kernel panic the computer just locks up compete,y so its the motherboard that's stopped everything to prevent damage.
Sorry, this MP isn't for me. For $4,000, I expected built-in speakers!
it has a built in speaker..
pretty sure apple is going to use the same startup chime until the very last mac is built..
You make it sound like you can only install Final Cut X on it.
My point was... it runs any Mac software. That makes it multi-purpose, right? What software do people run on a Mac Pro?
I guess I'm not understanding what specific tasks you can no long perform because it has a single CPU, dual video cards and 4 RAM slots.
Sorry man but I actually agreed with you. I didn't make those comments about you but about others that bash it. In fact I agree with what you say exactly.I try to stay out of the more emotionally-charged responses here because if someone is that worked up then I expect they aren't in a position to listen to something that disagrees with them, even if couched reasonably.
The main thing I feel some people "don't get" is that their individual wants or needs are not eligible to be generalized over the population at large. It's okay to feel this product or that doesn't suit your specific needs or desires, but to take the leap from there to declaring the product is a bad one is, IMNSDHO, just poor judgement.
Apple is not perfect, but nor is it run by idiots. The people who designed the nMP likely spent insane levels of effort narrowing down what their target market was going to be and then how best to serve it. This is what they came up with and, unless you were so highly qualified that they invited you to be a part of the process, I doubt you are really in a position to judge--except in the very narrow case of how it applies to you, personally.
I feel fortunate in that my particular use case is going to match almost exactly what it appears Apple had in mind when they made this thing. That means, for my very narrow point of view, this thing is great. Is it great for you? Maybe not, but don't in turn presume to declare it stinks for me. I'll try to do my part by not being too smug.
) Sorry for the confusion
Sorry man but I actually agreed with you. I didn't make those comments about you but about others that bash it. In fact I agree with what you say exactly.
Sorry for the confusion
Ah, it's good. I wasn't actually using "you" as in you, personally; I intended the plural usage of the pronoun. I don't get personally worked up about computer stuff one way or the other, and don't "get" people who seem to act as though their sense of self-worth is wrapped up in being "right" about tech stuff and proving someone else is "wrong," and then start getting pissy and rude about it. Just my personal philosophy.
The current OpenGL (sadly not found in Mavericks for stupid reasons unknown) has equivalent function calls for every DirectX one and thus it is a straight-forward matter to convert a DirectX game to OpenGL and without loss in hardware rendered speed (Apple's OpenGL 4.0 is from 2010 and so it's just a wee bit out of date). How do people think things like Cider work, after all? They convert Microsoft APIs to Mac ones, using software rendering where necessary for unsupported OpenGL calls (sadly made necessary by Apple's flat out refusal to update OpenGL to the latest versions at which point all calls would be supported). The end result is a Windows game working in OSX with very little work to convert it. It may not be as optimized as a good conversion by Aspyr or someone could be, but it COULD mean ALL Windows games could be available for the Mac if these companies gave a flying crap to bother. Most, of course don't care.
But the Mac is hampered not just by a lack of support from gaming companies, but by Apple as well for both not offering gaming quality GPUs in ANY of their machines and for developing LOUSY drivers for the GPUs they do have (i.e. typically around 30% slower than a Windows drivers on average from what I've read). Throw in the lack of OpenGL 4.4 and how can anyone expect to take the Mac seriously for gaming even if they are willing to put up with a smaller selection of titles?
The SAD SAD thing about it all is that it wouldn't take much on Apple's part to correct this situation and make Mac gaming a reasonable alternative to Windows (and one can always use Boot Camp to correct everything above except the lousy GPU hardware). They should have a desktop Mac (even if it's a souped up Mac Mini) that is meant to handle gaming, even if this means a little larger case and an extra fan. You shouldn't need the top-end iMac to get something close to reasonable gaming performance. Not everyone needs a built-in monitor (and the bigger the monitor, the higher the native resolution and the more GPU power it would take to run it at that native resolution thus aggravating an already bad situation). Even an i5 mac Mini with a really good GPU could be offered at the $1200 range (same as a low-end MBP) and it would run well in OSX and great in Windows and you'd still have all that nice OSX OS goodness to work with when doing other things without having to resort to a Hackintosh.
So what's stopping Apple from offering a Mac Mini with a really good GPU or even a new Mac Pro case with a regular non-Xeon motherboard and a gaming type GPU at a more reasonable $2k type price? Stubbornness. They figure it might cannibalize top-end iMac or even some new Mac Pro sales even though they are really not meant for gaming either. And that's the problem with Apple's short-sightedness. They don't even WANT to develop a Mac gaming market. They couldn't care less and so the same-old same-old "Macs aren't for gaming" will continue on to infinity. Worse yet, they could get some serious gaming market going with an improved AppleTV plus a bluetooth controller (hell, PS3 and XBox controllers already work in OSX right out of the box). But no, Apple users don't game. You can tell that by looking at the App sales on iTunes....
The Mac Pro is sold so well that it's delayed until March. So of course apple has production problems and nobody would buy such an expensive non pro ashtray.
I give this trolling attempt a 6 out of 10.
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If you look on the back you can see a lock cover that slides back.
Has anyone else noticed the space on the second GPU board that would allow for the addition of a second SSD slot. Maybe in the next couple of generations we'll see an option for dual SSDs. I know pros aren't huge on internal storage. But imagine the speeds you could get from an internal Raid0 configuration. There are a couple ultrabooks with this option on SATA SSDs and they are incredibly fast at reading and writing.
is this due to the 8 cores, D700s cards or the ram.
All of the above.
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Seriously? I run Mac OSX everyday rendering video and a host of other tasks and I can count 1 time in the last 5 years that I have had a kernel panic.
You really must have some sort of hardware issue or software that hates other software.
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This just shows how starved for power Mac users are. There is nothing particularly "insane" about any of it. PCIe SSDs were introduced in 2007. PC users have been enjoying two socket (8 cores each) machines for quite a while. And these "monster" GPUs are yesterday's news in PC World too. But sure coming from iMacs with their mobile GPUs this machine looks like a monster
Typical troll response, now when you have links and video to prove it come back and then we will talk. BS.
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Actually there are literally thousands that have upgraded and in fact right on this sight or netkas.org you will find that there is a whole community that does just that, upgrades mac pros. And you are wrong that upgrading makes no difference. It makes a huge difference on rendering video , especially with more cores. My graphics card has been upgraded 4 times in my mac pro as well. And it was cheaper than buying a new machine. That is reality. People upgrade there mac pros all the time. Otherworld computing has a complete site dedicated to upgrading xeons and video and pcie flash drives just for mac pros.
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why would you want to it comes with 2 real workstation gpus.
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Finally someone who understands the difference between a hackintosh and a workstation. (theres a reason there is EEC memory compute errors that would kill a work project). I agree with you, there are so many that have no clue on these threads.
From the Apple 1 to this in under half a century.
Imagine what will be state of the art a thousand years from now.
Or ten thousand years from now.
Imagine what will be state of the art a thousand years from now.
Or ten thousand years from now.
I picked up the D20 for about $2600 with two E5649's which are in the $800 range each retail, and it came with a Quadro 4000 with very little memory and a 256GB hard drive. I have a RevoDrive3 X2 480 that I have to add and 48GB of Ram, plus I added a pair of dual drive 6TB Raid 10's.
I'm running SolidWorks, Maxwell Render, and Adobe Creative Cloud. I was very interested in the nMP as it fits my workflow very nicely; I don't need a huge amount of data storage, so TB2 would even be overkill.
The problem with dual processor models is that Xeon's, even older ones like the high end X5690's are quite expensive. This is just as true for the older Mac Pro's as well as the newer ones.
There's a case to be made for a dual processor, but unless you absolutely have to have it, OpenCL and high end GPGPU's offer the best future, and TB2 would eliminate the need for a tower entirely in my case.
Keep an eye on the outlet after the first of the year. Maybe you can find something to your liking.
Progress moves exponentially. I would like to know how it is going to be even in 25 years from now ....
I like reading things like this that I just absolutely do not understand. Safari is probably snappier; that's what I took from this article.
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It's not like a game console as he main point of difference is running third party software, a general purpose computer can run arbitrary software and a game console cannot.