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New Mac Pro: Simultaneous Real-Time 4K Effect Rendering, +900MB/s Read/Write

I had a teacher who always used a phrase to insult suck up students answering questions for brownie points in class.

He used to say, "I'm impressed but not threatened."

With the Mac Pro that's exactly how I feel. At under $1500, I'll stick with my old Mac Pro. It's got XEON, ECC, etc.

I bought G4s, G5s, and my current Mac Pro at or under a starting price of $1500. Apple is so scared to death to hurt iMac sales to release a lower starting priced desktop pro model, so I won't be buying one of these, but the good news is the old Mac Pros will now be a bargain on Ebay as the pro market dumps them all! :)
 
jclardy said:
My main complaint is that you can't swap out the "cards" to upgrade. It seems that they will probably keep the design the same, and just upgrade the internals. If you could just swap GPU's, or swap the CPU/motherboard without having to replace the whole system it would be a lot nicer.
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which other MPs supported mobo upgrades?
 
Phrygian said:
This is a really powerful and innovative toy. Its not a "pro" machine
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hahaha. good one, mate. not a pro machine...just a toy. hahaha. you people never get old.

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Phrygian said:
You think a pro wouldn't want to put two higher quality nvidea cards into a MP?
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you'd think a pro would know how to spell nvidia.

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osofast240sx said:
Sometimes I wish Apple would just make a shell and then I'll put all the cards that I want in.
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you mean like the previous MP?

Modular and future proof would be nice also
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so would unicorns.
 
We're getting a couple. Heard there's discounts for business - anyone have a uk contact for that/more info?

Maybe I'm being a bit too serious on this forum or something. But trolls are pissing me off, not because of their trolling, but because I can project they'll have a really poor quality of life as they lack the intelligence to understand anything reasonable or see the situation fairly from different angles. Sad for their parents who had high hopes for them.
 
akbarali.ch said:
So, even a thrash can made by Apple can do so much :D:D
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wow, man, did you think of that yourself?

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Piggie said:
Progress has slowed down year on year since the 1970's / 1980's

We were getting MASSIVE jumps with each new bit of kit, and amazing and exciting time

Now we wait a year or 2 to get a CPU that's 10% faster
or a GPU that gives 60 instead of 45 frames a second

They are getting lazy because the general public are happy enough

There is nothing to push

It used to be bring out a game that runs like crap, then wait a year or 2 before the hardware came out to match what the game needed.

Does not really happen now. Crysis was perhaps the last title that ran like crap on many computers. Games really pushed the hardware makers hard
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I don't think you know what you're talking about. Moore's Law has been in effect for decades. hardware advances are made every year, don't think anyone's being lazy. and modern game engines still run poorly when settings are maxed out.
 
ah i said before...

ooohh...shinyyy


....bow wow 952.8MB/s ..... thats fast....

I remember running BlackMagic on the new MBA with SSD directly on the PCI-E bus was pretty fast, much fast than SAT-6 by anyday.

Unforunatly, for me, i just need the internal storeage, but since i'm got a Macmini, I may now start thinking twice.

This shiny piece of circle cylinder should be everyone's dream (the one's who can afford it) and be a good asset for replacement of that old 'cheese-grater"
 
MOFS said:
Fantastic performance - I wonder if benchmarks will actually underestimate the real time speed of the Mac Pro due to the speed improvements made throughout the system with solid state drives, PCIe memory etc downplayed in the traditional tests. Interesting to see that there are some pretty impressive looking docks out that would suit many expansion needs like this one I found from Magma on a quick Google search.

EDIT: Just saw Paul Turpin beat me to the punch. Dang.
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Do you know if that beast of a expansion chassis supports Thunderbolt 2? I guess all it would need is a Thunderbolt 2 controller card?
 
HyperZboy said:
I had a teacher who always used a phrase to insult suck up students answering questions for brownie points in class.

He used to say, "I'm impressed but not threatened."
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that isn't why he said that at all. teachers like it when students are engaged and participate in class. only other students feel that is sucking up. you just didn't get it at the time.
 
ThisIsNotMe said:
Your assumption is that the manufactures of audio software aren't going to move away from dedicated hardware to OpenCL.
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Are you assuming or implying that they will code for OpenCL? I've searched and found very few who have and fewer with intentions to recode their plugins in OpenCL. I think it would be great if they did, but even then these machines are not for audio people.

Perhaps a studio may use ProTools with the new Mac Pro, but for many musicians, that aren't already successes, these are a bit out of reach, price wise. People who focus on soft synth plugins, these machines aren't ideal. Obviously that the complete opposite for video people.
 
Max(IT) said:
You said you can use a Mac Pro as an ashtray ....
That wasn't an opinion, was a flame bait ....
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Or maybe (just maybe) it was a joke since the Mac Pro slightly resembles one of these...

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pgwalsh said:
Are you assuming or implying that they will code for OpenCL? I've searched and found very few who have and fewer with intentions to recode their plugins in OpenCL. I think it would be great if they did, but even then these machines are not for audio people.

Perhaps a studio may use ProTools with the new Mac Pro, but for many musicians, that aren't already successes, these are a bit out of reach, price wise. People who focus on soft synth plugins, these machines aren't ideal. Obviously that the complete opposite for video people.
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I do audio production and sound design work... as far as much production.. i had the previous mac pro 2008 8 core 2.66ghz model with 16gb ram... i had 100-150 track counts with probably 3-5 plug ins on all tracks plus mastering, and my system never even came close to over loading, as long as your hard drive speed is up to par, processing on audio plug ins really isnt that intensive. Processors these days take on the plug ins very well... now maybe at 192khz audio it will put a much larger draw on processing power but honestly, i never felt a need to go past 96khz and almost all my music production is done at 44.1 or 48 to begin with. 99% of the libraries out there are not more the 44.1khz.

As far as sound design for film, that could draw a little more requirement in resources because of the video running simultaneously synced to the sound design and music... but even that is minimal on the CPU. Theres really no need for the OPEN CL side of things to be rushed on the Audio department. Video side, thats a totally different world, and i can not wait to dive in with 4k raw video and the new mac pro.. Will be my first time, but its nice to know i will have the power behind me to handle what i can throw at it, and know if the video comes out horrible its my fault not the computers lol
 
laurim said:
Major films edited with Final Cut Pro:

The Rules of Attraction (2002)[6]
Full Frontal (2002)[6]
The Ring (2002)
Cold Mountain (2003) (Academy Award nominee for Best Editing – Walter Murch)[6]
Intolerable Cruelty (2003)
Open Water (2003)
Napoleon Dynamite (2004)
The Ladykillers (2004)
Sky Captain and the World of Tomorrow (2004)
Super Size Me (2004)
Corpse Bride (2005)
Dreamer: Inspired by a True Story (2005)
Happy Endings (2005)
Jarhead (2005)
Little Manhattan (2005)
Me and You and Everyone We Know (2005)
300 (2007)[6]
Black Snake Moan (2006)
Happy Feet (2006)
Zodiac (2007)
The Simpsons Movie (2007)
No Country for Old Men (2007) (Academy Award nominee for Best Editing – Roderick Jaynes)
Reign Over Me (2007)
Youth Without Youth (2007)
Balls of Fury (2007)
Gabriel (2007)
Enchanted (2007)
Traitor (2008)
Burn After Reading (2008)
The X-Files: I Want to Believe (2008)
The Curious Case of Benjamin Button (2008) (Academy Award nominee for Best Editing - Kirk Baxter and Angus Wall)
X-Men Origins: Wolverine (2009)
(500) Days of Summer (2009)
Where the Wild Things Are (2009)[6]
A Serious Man (2009)
Tetro (2009)
By the People: The Election of Barack Obama (2009)
Gamer (2009)
Eat, Pray, Love (2010)
True Grit (2010)
The Social Network (2010) (Academy Award winner for Best Editing - Kirk Baxter and Angus Wall)
The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo (2011) (Academy Award winner for Best Editing - Kirk Baxter and Angus Wall)
Twixt (2011)
Courageous (2011)
John Carter (2012)
Hemingway & Gellhorn (2012)
Indie Game: The Movie (2012)
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wow 0,02% of film production
 
vladi said:
How does SolidWorks fit in Mac workflow?
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Good question. It doesn't, unless I use parallels. That's why I still have a PC, as my current Mac is a mac mini. I do use SharkFX on a Mac, and it is a decent though not an equivalent package to Solidworks.

One of my customers has been able to run PADS, an electronic design and layout program, under Parallels successfully, and he wants to get a nMP to see if he can get a performance boost. If he has success with that, I'll probably take the plunge and run everything a nMP. It might be late spring though. I'm not in any hurry (i.e., I need to save up).
 
Originally Posted by laurim View Post
Major films edited with Final Cut Pro:

The Rules of Attraction (2002)[6]
Full Frontal (2002)[6]
The Ring (2002)
Cold Mountain (2003) (Academy Award nominee for Best Editing – Walter Murch)[6]
Intolerable Cruelty (2003)
Open Water (2003)
Napoleon Dynamite (2004)
The Ladykillers (2004)
Sky Captain and the World of Tomorrow (2004)
Super Size Me (2004)
Corpse Bride (2005)
Dreamer: Inspired by a True Story (2005)
Happy Endings (2005)
Jarhead (2005)
Little Manhattan (2005)
Me and You and Everyone We Know (2005)
300 (2007)[6]
Black Snake Moan (2006)
Happy Feet (2006)
Zodiac (2007)
The Simpsons Movie (2007)
No Country for Old Men (2007) (Academy Award nominee for Best Editing – Roderick Jaynes)
Reign Over Me (2007)
Youth Without Youth (2007)
Balls of Fury (2007)
Gabriel (2007)
Enchanted (2007)
Traitor (2008)
Burn After Reading (2008)
The X-Files: I Want to Believe (2008)
The Curious Case of Benjamin Button (2008) (Academy Award nominee for Best Editing - Kirk Baxter and Angus Wall)
X-Men Origins: Wolverine (2009)
(500) Days of Summer (2009)
Where the Wild Things Are (2009)[6]
A Serious Man (2009)
Tetro (2009)
By the People: The Election of Barack Obama (2009)
Gamer (2009)
Eat, Pray, Love (2010)
True Grit (2010)
The Social Network (2010) (Academy Award winner for Best Editing - Kirk Baxter and Angus Wall)
The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo (2011) (Academy Award winner for Best Editing - Kirk Baxter and Angus Wall)
Twixt (2011)
Courageous (2011)
John Carter (2012)
Hemingway & Gellhorn (2012)
Indie Game: The Movie (2012)

Asclepio said:
wow 0,02% of film production
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Dude, don't hate! That is not an exhaustive list!

I sense much fear in you about this new Mac Pro 2013.

Fear leads to Anger. Anger leats to Hate. Hate leads to Suffering!

Attachment leads to jealously.

Jealous of this new Mac Pro are you?
 
Asclepio said:
wow 0,02% of film production
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On one hand, I do not believe that is even close to an exhaustive list.

On the other hand, I do not believe the intent of the post was to claim FCP is the most-used editor out there; rather, just to establish that it is, indeed, a fully-capable editor and that serious professionals do use it for significant projects.
 
CFreymarc said:
WTF do I mean? A hard engineering look at higher end desktop systems for the past few years showed that the PCIe bus was becoming the bottleneck in performance for real time video and other rendering packages.
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Precisely: WTF do you actually mean? 15.75 gigabytes per second is not enough bandwidth for rendering?

CFreymarc said:
It is a classic sacrifice to committee meetings where what was supposed to go into the current PCIe standard was held back for margins of existing video cards and saturated supply lines. Apple saw this and walked away form the cattle and their commodity semiconductor spreadsheet jocks.
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So it'll be a big surprise for you that Apple do actually use PCIe as interconnect bus on the new MacPro? I mean, seriously, WTF are you on about man, Xeon has PCIe lanes coming out of it, if you were gonna go with something else, you'd need to have a PCIe to "the something else" bridge first…


CFreymarc said:
From taking this other road, we have a machine that is so high performance and cost effective, it makes mockery of so called "open systems" where a cheap third party accessory maker can bring down Amdahl's Triangle making the higher end parts look bad.

One more kick in the gut to the PCIe bus.
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Kick in the gut for your argument more like… :rolleyes:
 
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