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New Mac Pros and Mac Minis Launching in August
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Post PC means, as it has being used in Silicon Valley, as the industry of devices which have been invented after the PC. An iPod is a post PC device, because after the iPod, people didn't keep their MP3's on their PC's, but on their iPods as well. A smartphone is a post PC device, because after the invention of smartphones, people did browse web, do email, and lots of other web related business on their phones, in addition to their PC's.
No. This era began slowly with the appearance of devices like iPod, iPhone. Slowly, with the invention of more and more devices, the importance of PC faded away from everyday use. (Not from professional use)
Yeah I think Apple is making a huge mistake then. Even bigger than I conceived before, because clearly PCs are going nowhere and slacking with Mac development, e.g. dropping the XServe and waiting some 17+ months to upgrade the Mac Pro, skimming on the BD support and whatnot is amzingly, amazingly stupid - especially since it seems to stem from *their* apparent realization that they've been living in a "post-PC" era for so long now and "stupidly" been developing PCs
Obviously the same mistake is being made by every other SV giant as Microsoft or Google, as each of them is spending "billions" on mobile software development.
There's basically no evidence to claim such thing. Apple has been releasing new Mac OS versions and new development tools so nothing indicates that Mac OS development is going away. There's nothing stilted at hardware development. Apple's hardware release cycles haven't really changed since the introduction of iOS devices.
Anyways, live in whatever era you want, that's not the point. The point is: There are no "all-new next-gen" Mac Pros coming any time soon. Despite what some guy on the internet said.
When Intel releases new Sandybridge Xeons, we will get new Mac Pro's. And not a split second before. Whether that's all new next gen enough for you or not, deal with it.
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iMacs have had 24"+ display for a long time now. Not to mention you can connect a 30" display to a Mac Mini.
Excuse me, are we on the same page here? Are you the one who claimed that distributing movies on USB sticks and then sending those sticks back would be an ideal solution?
If you are not that guy, then we are discussing completely different things.
Lossless quality music isn't dead btw, CD's are still being sold, a lot. It just isn't the only method to obtain music anymore. The same is not happening with movies, not yet. DVD and Blu Ray revenues are much higher than online sales, so for now, people prefer buying DVD or BR than downloading content.
About Blu Ray authoring, that was completely different discussion. It was about the new Final Cut X having/not having Blu Ray authoring, and if not, the guy who started that discussion told that he'd go Win + Sony Vegas. Anyway, two discussion got mixed.
People still go to movie theaters?
More seriously, the screen size is a matter of where you're watching the movie. Sitting on a bus or train, the iPad is the right screen. As for 30 vs 42 vs 50 inch screens, it depends on the size of the room. For my living room, about 42" is the optimal size for a screen with where I would be sitting to watch it. Just because the screen is physically smaller, it doesn't mean you don't want the best resolution video you can get for a movie you're watching. Right now that means BluRay.
If they have the bandwidth yes.
Why is it a BD nightmare? There are valid reasons for wanting and needing a BluRay drive on a computer.
As for what follows BD? Why won't it make sense on computer monitors? Or did you plan on not getting a new computer monitor ever?
So again you're falling back to "a lot of people" are saying this, while also claiming it doesn't matter one diddly squat what "a lot of people say". Gotcha.
Oh and the design philosophy is the limitation, which in turn is what makes iOS devices simple to use. But that's not the only solution, just look at Android, which offers far more flexibility and is already just that much more difficult to use and look at Windows 8 which is just Windows with warts and all.
The fact that it is on a tablet doesn't change much. It's because of Apple's decision to make iOS limited (what you prefer to call design philosophy) which is what makes it simple. Add all the features of Mac OS X to iOS, with all the iOS GUI, and bingo: it's just as complex, if not more, than Mac OS X.
And tablets already aren't limited (or won't be with Windows 8), seeing as they will then be running a fully fledged desktop OS on them - it's just Apple's devices that are limited, as they are designed to be (I'm not putting them down) - it's what makes them easy to use and appealing as consumer devices.
It's their strength. Take that away, and you could just as well put Mac OS X on a tablet with some touch interface like W8 is doing. But by making iOS more capable, one must ask: why then Mac OS X?
Why indeed.
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Well you just made me feel stupid and reliefed me. Haha
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Macbook pro != Mac pro...
Well you just made me feel stupid and reliefed me. Haha
If you just bought a MacBook Pro, keep it. They just got refreshed 4 months ago.
The new Mac Pro's and Mac Mini's is what this is, not notebooks.
It's not about the drive, you can add a Blu Ray drive to your Mac Pro, but as long as your OS does not support Blu Ray decoding, you can't view the disc without 3rd party tools. So it's about the software support atm, not the hardware support.
What follows after the BD is 2K or 4K resolution media. It won't make sense on computer monitors because that kind of resolution won't happen on computer monitors. Once you are past a certain ppi (point per inch) you can't see any more pixels from a standard viewing distance so it doesn't make sense to add more pixels.
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I did say that, but in what context sir? You can't wildy extract it out of context and expect me to simply say good point! If you remember, I entered the discussion by asking some guy Eddie why BR Authoring was essential for Mac Pros. He claimed when sharing his work, his professional colleagues would not accept his distributing the media them via the internet. It resulted in files taking too long to download, or their quality being too low. Enter BR disks. I offered an alternative solution, within that limitted context.
Eddie was not asking for BR Authoring so that everyone could rent BR movies. Eddie is in the movie buisness, and they seem to rely on BR disks in a way the average consumer apparently does not need to rely on it, as I evidenced by pointing to things like the itunes store that were a large factor in the collapse of traditional stores like Blockbuster. So, back to Eddie and the movie buisness, please tell me why they need BR Authoring? Why can't they share amongst themselves the files via The internet, or when time is an absolute issue, USB sticks that they send back and forth? I argued this solution is, in the grand scheme: cheaper, more eco friendly, perhaps even faster, and it has large file limits.
As for CDs not being dead... If you say so. But be prepared to see all Macs follow suit as the MBA with no optical drive in the immediate future. The Mac App store and iTunes store make it clear their distribution will be digital going forward.
As for the discussions getting mixed... Whose fault was that?
Sure, that could very well be the reason, cutting down development costs without hurting the margins too much.
But as the Mac becomes more popular, one might think that it would in fact be easier to justify more development cost, since it would be spread around more units than before.. but well, I don't know.
All I know is: no way no how there will be an "all-new next-gen" Mac Pro come august. It doesn't jive with Apple's strategy (for whatever reason they are going with that strategy)
The thing is, the reverse was true with the iPods. As they became more popular, there were developed more models, there were more rapid advances made, more options, more support etc. The reverse is the case with the Mac.
A rather interesting point. One must remember that iOS is running the same basic kernel that OS X is running. So in theory, the iPad could run a touchscreen OS X. Oh wait, isn't that what iOS is?
But more importantly the question isn't "why then Mac OS X?" it's "why then OS X?" - Apple has dropped "Mac" from the name of the OS. Why they did it is probably best that speculation be left for a different thread.
No. That's where you are wrong. Adding more features into iOS won't make it the same complexity as OS X.
One of the biggest complexity of OS X or any other desktop OS is file system. iOS or Android has no visible file system. The user doesn't have to deal with files on these devices. That's a major design difference, and eventually, it's not a limitation when it's done right.
So limitation isn't the only thing which makes these things easier to use. I don't even think limitation is a factor at all. Limitation only is an issue for a professional. For an every day user, a tablet is not limited. Web browsing, email, facebook, chatting, these things are not limited compared to a PC. Some of them even easier to perform on tablets.
Oh I'm terribly sorry. I thought that you recommended USB sticks for selling movies. But Blu Ray Authoring is still needed even in the movie industry. People you send these movies to aren't computer oriented people necessarily. They are waiting in their living rooms to preview your movie on their flat screen, using a BD player. You can't expect them suddenly to change their habits.
This release will mark the fifth year anniversary of my current machine. I've got the "Woodcrest" quad 3.0Ghz Mac Pro from August 2006. It's been incredibly sturdy and shows no signs of aging. I'll probably be using it for at least a few more years.
Point taken, but the problem is they can't expect Apple to support their backward ways and laziness. They are such a small minority Apple sees little reason to devote resources to implement BR only for their awkward "habits". If they can't keep up with the times, too bad for them. Apple's calculated positions is their limited needs are not a lucrative avenue to support. I see nothing wrong with that, which is why I see little need for BR Authoring in Mac Pros.
Incidently, i am glad we came to a mutual understanding of each others positions. That seems rare. I applaud you for staying open-minded as to what I was trying to say.
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I was responding to your BluRay nightmare comment. You're right you can, but support from Apple would be nice. That is what people are requesting. And while it's easy to add a drive to a Mac Pro, it would be nice if the internal drives of the Mini, MacBooks and iMacs were BluRay drives. It's nice to be able to buy a movie on a trip and watch it on your laptop.
Are you sure about both halves of that statement? Somehow I think the next thing is them still trying to push bad 3D at us. And as for ppi, you're right, except are we at that point yet? If not they could still make computer displays with a higher ppi. And if we are, most people won't see the need for anything past BluRay... after all, we can't see the difference.
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A touchscreen OS X is not iOS. The kernel is the same, but the UI is completely different. The kernel is only a small part of the OS.
There's something to understand here. Not every operation can be done using touchscreen. You cannot draw with same precision as a mouse or Wacom, using your fingers. That's impossible. One can think of a billion things which can be done easier using a mouse. So those things will be done, always with mouse or similar precision input devices. Whether those inputs are connected to a PC or a tablet.
But anything that can be done without a mouse, will be done on these tablets, when the time comes and the software matures. By software I don't mean the OS. I mean mostly the 3rd party software. The developers have just started to develop for touch surfaces, and they can't rethink everything overnight.
When the tablet evolves, it'll evolve according to its userbase, which is "layman".
When PC evolved, its userbase was engineers and professionals. PC, believe it or not, was not designed for the layman. That's why nobody knows how to use a PC except a very small amount of people. Because it wasn't the intention to begin with.
But tablets have being designed for everyone to use, and throughout their evolution, this principle will be (hopefully) conserved.
A 10kbit bitrate on a 1080p would be pathetic. Perhaps you meant 10Mbit bitrate. Which is way WAY more than current infrastructure can offer (even you lamented on how slowly it was progressing) and way less than BD offers today.
As for your question of whether I'd like to watch a BD on device X with screen size Y, well I don't really care what it is called - BD is the defacto standard for video and if I'd like to see something on the road, then perhaps a retina iPad would do just fine. Even a normal iPad would be better for BD than for DVD.
A movie is a movie is a movie, and most of the time I don't care one squat whether it is in a home theater or just on a laptop, that depends on where I am and what I am doing. I don't even have a home theater.
Point is, DVDs are on the way out and I see a clear difference between DVD upscaled on my iMac and a ripped BD. Very very clear. It's night and day.
So I don't need you to tell me I don't appreciate any difference. I do.
A BD would look better on all current Macs than a DVD, or any of the streaming videos available (not in my country but in your world I guess)
It would even look damn fine on a retina iPad, but honestly that doesn't matter since it's way too small to watch video on anyway, IMO at any resolution or bitrate, so there I agree: size does matter and an iPad is too small.
But after a certain size, where it is convenient to watch video at all, then BD support would be fantastic (and rather obvious) because as I wrote before, a movie is a movie is a movie.
BD is only a nightmare for Apple, because they won't support it and a nightmare for Apple users, for the same reason.
I'm on the fence.
I would love to see a new MacPro design, preferably a little more compact and rack-mountable.
On the other hand, the current design is just sooo right that I fear they can not possibly improve upon it.
I would love to see a new MacPro design, preferably a little more compact and rack-mountable.
On the other hand, the current design is just sooo right that I fear they can not possibly improve upon it.
Well, Apple wouldn't implement Blu Ray for that small minority. I'm sure there are many Mac users who would like to have the alternative to buy Blu Rays and watch them at their iMacs etc. I'm one of them. But I'm not crying my eyes out because Apple doesn't implement it. There are other methods to watch Blu Rays on macs, although a bit convoluted.