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New Mac Pros and Mac Minis Launching in August

iBug2 said:
Apple has received chipsets and CPU's couple months ahead of official launch from Intel before. What's to say they won't do the same now?
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Because the suitable chips are scheduled to be released in Q4. Apple's early access in the past has been like one month (e.g. 2009), not several months. Late August could be plausible, assuming the chips are released at the beginning of Q4.
 
portishead said:
You mean Mac Mini? There is just no reason for me to have a huge Mac Pro anymore. Maybe there will be internal Thunderbolt ports/peripherals.
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Fixed.

There is a still a sizable market for the Pro Workstation. The mini simply cannot hold a candle to a true Xeon/Modular Workstation.
 
*LTD* said:
Post-PC era. Different priorities. the PC paradigm has run its course. You'll see more integration of iOS with Macs, and similarly huge leaps in power and capability of iOS devices.

We'll still have Macs and they will still serve a purpose. But they will be increasingly marginalized *away* from everyday computing. The MacBook Air already resembles more of an iOS device than a traditional "computer", or even a traditional notebook.

Macs will still be there for Pro work. Though from what we can see from the increasing power and utility of iOS apps, even everyday users with lower-end Macs and increasingly-capable iOS devices will be able to do work approaching the "Pro" level.

It's all very empowering when it comes to the average user, and blurs the line between Joe Average and Pros just a little bit further.
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Exactly.

15 years ago a professional needed the fastest and the brightest of Macs to do his work. Today a graphic designer can get away with a cheap iMac, or even Mac Mini if he wishes so.

People who need a Mac Pro are a minority now. And they will keep needing it so Mac Pro's will be made, but they will only be maintained like Apple has been doing lately.
 
kalsta said:
That all depends on what kind of etc you own, and whether it has the right connectors.



There's even an acronym for that now? Wow.
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YCMAFE (You Can Make an Acronym For Everything).

By the way, still no news about the white macbook. I hope they update it when Lion comes out together with the air, otherwise I guess it's being discontinued...:(
 
Hellhammer said:
Because the suitable chips are scheduled to be released in Q4. Apple's early access in the past has been like one month (e.g. 2009), not several months. Late August could be plausible, assuming the chips are released at the beginning of Q4.
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I suppose if Apple announced something in July, they'd ship it in August like last year. So that could be possible.
 
Atlantico said:
No, 511 days is no average, it is the time between the current Mac Pro release and the last one. Thus "these days". :p
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So if it's not the average, and only one number in a cycle of many releases, and the highest one, how do we deduce that it's the "rule" now? :)

The average cycle in the last 3 years is around 13 months, so it's safe to expect a new Mac Pro around August / September. But of course it's up to Intel, not Apple.
 
acslater017 said:
I think it reflects a few things. First, yes - the Mac is not the only thing going on with Apple these days. Steve Jobs officially demoted to it to being on par with the iPhone, iPad and iPod Touch (at least in relation to syncing and the cloud).

Second, the PC industry as a whole is undergoing a plateauing of sorts. Apple is actually doing a great job IMO. Macs are flying off the shelves, as the rest of the PC industry shrinks. The iMac, MacBook Air, and MacBook Pro are the industry gold standards for their categories. The MacBook and Mac Mini could probably be given a boost.

These are not 90's anymore, where each new computer you get doubles its clocks speed.
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All true, it's just curious that Apple doesn't even give it a second thought that now *finally* even as the PC market is plateauing and the Macs are flying off the shelves, that they should use that momentum and push the Mac finally above 10% of computers - and they don't care about that because (I believe) they feel the Mac is a distraction (profitable one) from Steve's vision of the iPad-like future.

Apple has (it seems) taken the strategic decision to depreciate and wind down the Mac. Be it because they feel they can't "win", that the growth potential isn't interesting enough or because it doesn't fit into the "vision"... is largely irrelevant. It's there and it sucks for Mac users.

Except those who wonder what computers are for apart from reading news online and checking Facebook. It may not be the 90s anymore, but the computer business is still profitable and computers are quite versatile. More so than an iPad can ever be.
 
Now there will be more computers with a TB port than actual TB enabled peripherals.

Also, who is Brian Tong..? I guess MR has reasons to believe he's for real when his tweet is posted in the front page. Google yielded this site... what? http://www.briantong.com/ :confused::confused:
 
portishead said:
Because there is no reason for all that empty space in there. Maybe not half, but you could cut the size down a little for sure. I know it's pretty to have everything stuffed inside, but it's not really necessary.
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It isn't empty space. You need space for the cooling of powerful components.

The Mac Pro sans handles is smaller than most enthusiast cases, let alone E-ATX workstation cases. With the 2009-2010 models this meant less memory slots than standard fr the chipsets used and still continues to limit expansion of internal drives.
 
iBug2 said:
Exactly.

15 years ago a professional needed the fastest and the brightest of Macs to do his work. Today a graphic designer can get away with a cheap iMac, or even Mac Mini if he wishes so.

People who need a Mac Pro are a minority now. And they will keep needing it so Mac Pro's will be made, but they will only be maintained like Apple has been doing lately.
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Correct. You're looking at the situation in the clear light of day as well. And you're a Mac Pro user on top of that.

It would be much easier if these particular users accepted the current situation and where we're headed and do their best to transition what they can over to the new paradigm (as it progresses) rather than fight it at every turn.

You can either get with the program or remain a perpetual (and increasingly marginalized) holdout. The latter of which will become a progressively less pleasant situation as we move forward. It must be hell for those still clinging to their PowerPC Macs, wailing about the removal of Rosetta, and hoping against all hope for a mid-size headless Mac tower.
 
iBug2 said:
That's utter nonsense. Just because Apple does not spend money on new case designs for Mac Pro's, doesn't mean there's no future in professional Macs. Apple is spending a lot of money and effort on their Pro Apps. For whom? Professionals who use workstations, and Apple workstations since Apple Pro Apps don't run on Windows.

Professional workstations will always exist. If Apple decides to stop producing Mac Pro's that means either their iMacs have become fast enough for anyone to do professional work, in that case we won't need a Mac Pro anymore, or they also abandoned all their Pro App business together with it as well. I don't see any of it happening any time soon.
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Not really, Apple needs to spend money on designs and development to be competitive. That can mean new case designs, but it also means frequent upgrades. 6-8 month upgrades of the Pro machines would be far more appropriate than 17+ months. .. if Apple was serious about pro-users.

The same more or less happened to the XServe. It got less and less frequently upgraded, it lost the little popularity it had because of that and Apple axed it - without even offering any warning to those who relied upon it.

iMacs are no replacement for Mac Pros. Or a very un-serious one. Thus it doesn't deserve a serious answer.
 
portishead said:
There is just no reason to have a huge Mac Pro anymore.
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Go to the Mac Pro forum section and say that, I dare you.

iBug2 said:
For whom? Professionals who use workstations, and Apple workstations since Apple Pro Apps don't run on Windows.

Professional workstations will always exist. If Apple decides to stop producing Mac Pro's that means either their iMacs have become fast enough for anyone to do professional work, in that case we won't need a Mac Pro anymore, or they also abandoned all their Pro App business together with it as well. I don't see any of it happening any time soon.
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I think their main audience with their professional software is people who use top of the line iMacs and MBPs. If you go to their FCP page, it's being shown on a MBP, so is Aperture.

When you can have a dual socket iMac, then I will consider it "fast enough."

portishead said:
Because there is no reason for all that empty space in there. Maybe not half, but you could cut the size down a little for sure. I know it's pretty to have everything stuffed inside, but it's not really necessary.
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Did it ever occur to you that people who actually NEED a Mac Pro don't have empty space? Maybe they actually use all the internal ports for what they were meant for?

friedmud said:
What really sucks is that I can buy a dual 12 core workstation right right now... If I didn't want to stick with Apple... hopefully Apple will give me a reason to vanquish those thoughts!
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't those be AMD CPUs? With extremely slow clock speeds? And no hyperthreading? And no turbo boost? Just curious.
 
Let's hope that if there is a new design for Mac Pro it doesn't include any of this hideous black plastic that has polluted all of Apple's other lines. I can't believe the designers think that we are better now with laptops with black keys and black bezels when we had truly beautiful all-silver machines before.

The current laptop construction with silver instead of black plastic would be incredible.

chaosbunny said:
Whenever it comes, I'm looking forward to a new gpu for my Mac Pro. I just hope one won't need Lion for it.
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I just hope we don't have to pay £380 for an old and outdated card.
 
The Mac Pro I can see being redesigned. It's been 8 years. But the Mac Mini? That was just redesigned last year.
 
Mr. Gates said:
Actually there are tons.

But I hope you're right.
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Tons? Western Digital added USB 3.0 supported external disks couple months ago only.

There really can't be tons of USB 3.0 devices anyway because not everything that uses USB will benefit from USB 3.0.

Same reason that there won't be tons of TB devices.
 
Umbongo said:
It should be noted that the LGA 2011 processors that the Mac Pros will use aren't scheduled for release until Q4, so Apple getting them 2 months early seems unlikely.
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It has happened at least twice before. Apple had exclusivity with the Clovertown and Nehalem Xeon processors.
 
daneoni said:
The mini simply cannot hold a candle to a true Xeon/Modular Workstation.
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Not according to this article.

"Need more horsepower? Just get another Mini and connect with Light Peak. Grand Central will automatically distribute the load across multiple devices. A 2U rack will hold eight Mac Minis that, tightly coupled, will run rings around an Xserve."

http://www.cringely.com/2011/02/attack-of-the-minis/
 
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