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New Mac Pros and Mac Minis Launching in August
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Bull, bull and more bull.
People should stop basing your view of the world on tv ad's. In the real-world over here, we buy a couple Mac Pro's every few months for designers, video editors, etc, etc. Nobody wants to work on a laptop or iMac. At first it sounds fun, but then you realize how bottle-necked you are. Suddenly everyone is fighting to *not* use an iMac or MacBook.
So much for the minority theory. And I hardly think Apple would be refreshing Mac Pro's after only a year if this statement was even close to reality.
(I'm not speaking to you personally, but more to the idea that you're offering. Sorry if it sounded otherwise)
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Most people will see it off the Apple website, thus making it relevant. And because more people will see it off their website, one could make the argument that demoing it on a Mac Pro is irrelevant.
Also, this story has a professional saying that it won't be for good for professional use at first because it will have so many issues since it is a total rewrite. Not to mention I have seen multiple other articles saying that the new version seems to be for more serious amateurs and not professionals. There was even one story on gizmodo that explained in detail why it will not be for professionals.
Just because the "audience" at the demo was "cream of the crop" doesn't mean they are the only ones who will use it hahahaha. And notice that I said "MAIN audience." I still think that there will be more people using it who do not work in Hollywood than people who do work in Hollywood. Learn to read, maybe get hooked on Phonics
But of course no matter which way you want to see it, it has not even been released yet, so we can't say anything for sure.
I don't see anything strange about the possibility of new Mac Pros, but I would if they were anything but a minor maintenance upgrade. I would like to underscore with all seriousness, that the disinterest Apple is showing the Mac doesn't mean the Mac is dead or dying anytime soon.. but in 5 years, continuing this same trend, then we'll be looking at a non-pro Mac line and in another 5 years, all laptop-line of Macs, running iOS (which will certainly be far more capable then, than it is now)
Point being, it's a slow downward spiral, and as such there is full reason for Apple to rewrite FCP. The rewrite was started more than two years ago anyway, and back then the future of the Mac was far brighter than it is today.
The Mac may be a nuisance and perhaps a distraction from Steve Jobs' vision, but Apple will muddle through with this distraction for a few more years before starting the wind-down in earnest (i.e. stop the maintenance upgrades and cutting down development of desktop machines entirely)
Hopefully this won't happen - I'm a big big fan of the Mac and hope it lives at least as long in it's OS X incarnation as it lived in the System 1-9 incarnation.
For some reason, I picture the new Mac Pros with two black glass panels on the side ... kinda like the iPhone 4.
Yes, although in the past we have had SCSI, clearly an initialism, but always pronounced "scuzzy", never S-C-S-I.
New Mac Mini
I have been waiting for quite some time for the mac mini (upgraded version), the C2D is quite outdated. I hope we get a Mac Mini with at least an i5 processor, I shall throw away my Pentium III 800 MHz computer that I have at my parents house. Only if dreams could come true....
I have been waiting for quite some time for the mac mini (upgraded version), the C2D is quite outdated. I hope we get a Mac Mini with at least an i5 processor, I shall throw away my Pentium III 800 MHz computer that I have at my parents house. Only if dreams could come true....
Perhaps you are right, but considering how fast the Mac is growing and indeed how profitable it is for Apple, it isn't getting (IMO) the attention and development it once did when it was far less popular and slower in growth.
It seems the more popular the Mac gets (probably because of the halo effect or iCloud effect as you put it), the less interested Apple becomes in the Mac.
At the moment there are only hints and indications (albeit big ones) but as far as I can deduce, one would be wise not to put too much stock into the Mac's future from a company that has claimed we are in the Post-PC era and that appliances are the way to go.
Unless . . . they committed to prepay for enough units it soaks up 2 months of production. As has been the case several times in the past.
I wonder if the rack mount feature will be a BTO option. They have needed case options for a while now, a midsized tower popping to mind or a Mini with a layer of expandability.
The days of that being needed are numbered with the de-emphasis on local storage by Apple.
Rocketman
Some of us like to rip stuff while they're working.
Cores aren't the only factor as I've pointed out.I'm working today and have about 20 apps open, one of them slowly rendering. Not just Illustrator and InDesign. I've already explained what the limitations of iMacs and Minis are.
Some of us do a bit more than retouching and cleaning photos up. Please don't presume to tell me or the many professionals I work with what our computing needs are... and I won't do the same for you.
New Mac Pros (possibly). You can't spin it any other way than good news for those who want to buy a new one... with Thunderbolt.
Without professional Macs, what will people use to generate content for the iPad?
The delay was dictated by Apple waiting for the next Xenon.
Just a question, are you speed constrained on your current hardware? What percentage of time do you spend waiting for your computer and what percentage of time does your computer spend waiting on you? (Perhaps your computer needs to upgrade to a faster user.)
It would cost too much money to trouble shoot all the new drivers for Snow Leopard. The biggest cost of developing new hardware is writing the drivers. The biggest cost of new drivers is finding bugs.
I don't understand why people keep saying things about redesigning the MacPro case. I hope they don't. It is fantastic. I love the case and I hope it never changes.
Haha +1
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I guess Apple saw those benchmarks of the iMacs beating the Mac Pro and decided it was time to upgrade.
TV ads? I have basing my opinions on what I see around me. I know tons of design studios who solely work on iMacs, and haven't bought a Mac pro in the last 3 years or so.
Minority theory? Do you know what a minority is? Mac Pro users are a very small minority of the entire Apple userbase, and you don't need to be working for Apple to know that. Just follow the revenues. Laptops are more than half Apple's revenue and has been since for a while now. And among desktops, iMacs again have much bigger revenue than Mac Pro, making Mac Pro a minority, a relatively small one even. But it's still profitable so they keep maintaining it. Minority does not equal dead. "Can't sell any" equals dead.
I thought we were talking about graphic designers, suddenly you mention video editors? I never said video editors can get away with a mac mini. I specifically said graphic designers. And it's irrelevant if nobody wants to work with a iMac or laptop. Just because people whine about it doesn't justify the extra cost to buy a Mac Pro.
Most people will see it off the Apple website, thus making it relevant. And because more people will see it off their website, one could make the argument that demoing it on a Mac Pro is irrelevant.
Also, this story has a professional saying that it won't be for good for professional use at first because it will have so many issues since it is a total rewrite. Not to mention I have seen multiple other articles saying that the new version seems to be for more serious amateurs and not professionals. There was even one story on gizmodo that explained in detail why it will not be for professionals.
Just because the "audience" at the demo was "cream of the crop" doesn't mean they are the only ones who will use it hahahaha. And notice that I said "MAIN audience." I still think that there will be more people using it who do not work in Hollywood than people who do work in Hollywood. Learn to read, maybe get hooked on Phonics
But of course no matter which way you want to see it, it has not even been released yet, so we can't say anything for sure.
If you actually listened to the story you linked, which I have, you'd see that all Larry Jordan said was the dot zero release wouldn't be ready for prime time use, which isn't surprising for a completely rewritten software. It doesn't say the software isn't for professional use. Maybe try get to understand what you are talking about first.
I'm not sure it ever was. Perhaps you are thinking of TVs.
Are we trolling now? PC's were the most important thing for software developers. Now they aren't.
Then some of you can buy a Mac Pro. I was talking about the needs of the industry in general. Not specific people with specific needs. Computers are not designed for individuals, they are designed for groups of individuals, big ones.
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This probably won't be a very well received thing to say but I don't think that Apple are neglecting their Mac lineup. Even if the MacPro refresh cycle seems to be painfully slow.
The new iMacs are incredible machines, I'm very happy with my late 2009 iMac and the new iterations of the iMac are even better.
Given how fast the latest iMac is I have a feeling that these new MacPros are going to be incredibly fast.
Apple seems to be on the verge of releasing a slew of new Mac products that are all closely related and should have maximum impact when they are all available.
By that I mean the impending launch of Lion, the new software for editing and other stuff (not my field so I'm not terribly familiar with the Final Cut Pro stuff, etc), and the new MacPros all pretty much arriving together.
The new iMacs are incredible machines, I'm very happy with my late 2009 iMac and the new iterations of the iMac are even better.
Given how fast the latest iMac is I have a feeling that these new MacPros are going to be incredibly fast.
Apple seems to be on the verge of releasing a slew of new Mac products that are all closely related and should have maximum impact when they are all available.
By that I mean the impending launch of Lion, the new software for editing and other stuff (not my field so I'm not terribly familiar with the Final Cut Pro stuff, etc), and the new MacPros all pretty much arriving together.
internal hardware cycles aren't 6-8 months long! There wouldn't be components available to make upgrades. Plus, people aren't wanting to upgrade their machines that often. That'd be even more expensive for Pro users.
Some of us like to rip stuff while they're working.
I'm working today and have about 20 apps open, one of them slowly rendering. Not just Illustrator and InDesign. I've already explained what the limitations of iMacs and Minis are.
A Mac Mini or an iMac can have as many apps open at the same time as a Mac Pro, as long as you install enough RAM. Because that's the only thing that effects application performance when other apps are open. Currently iMacs can get 16GB's of RAM, which is more than plenty for the majority.
Rendering uses cores, so if your job requires rendering on a regular basis on long intervals, obviously you are going to make use of a Mac Pro. But many graphic designers don't render a single thing in their lifetime. So why should they get a Mac Pro? I can understand an architect needing a Mac Pro, because they render a lot but an Illustrator operator, an Indesign operator? No.
I can almost see that working for a server farm, not a workstation. The only problem for a render farm is, how many Thunderbolt ports does a Mini have? You would not want to hook up too many nodes to one port.
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