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I do - four buttons up there? Honestly now that would look stupid. The only thing I could possibly see (and some programs used to work this way) was some sort of key command for you people that absolutely need it maximized. Like holding down option while hitting the zoom button.

that's a good compromise, but if we use that logic, we can have shortcuts to do every command, removing all the buttons... hopefully we can come to the point where we can customize this option, and have what buttons we want to be viewed and ones we don't... now...what would the forth button color look like? i like blue... anyways, hopefully the future of our GUI's is for the user to have more options and set it for their own needs, now that's thinking different!
 
seriously, whining about an extra little button (that YOU would NEVER have to press) is about the worst argument ive ever heard, and ive been to gamespot.com's system wars forums.

ROFL!

Yes, I do not mind the content maximizing as much when I am hooked up to my 20" WS monitor, but most of the time I am sitting on my sofa w/ my MacBook. :)
 
ok like its hard to press a button to minimize everything or just show the desktop? and btw, not everyone has a 30" monitor. i happen to have a notebook and content doesnt always show fully in the window. but you want to apply a universal standard.

I don't have a 30" display either.

yeah the OP said that but the person you replied to didnt. and seriously, whining about an extra little button (that YOU would NEVER have to press) is about the worst argument ive ever heard, and ive been to gamespot.com's system wars forums.

You're argument is far worse - so far it's been "because it's my preference."

I'm not familiar with this gamespot.com you speak of.

You don't really "get it" and there isn't much point in trying to help you understand. Perhaps someday the lights will go on. You may (or may not) learn that empowering other people is much more productive than attempting to force them.

Forgive me, I wasn't aware pointlessly maximizing windows *empowered* people in such a tremendous way. Please, show me the light.

Maybe we should have six buttons up there - close, minimize, maximize, fit-to-conetent, maximize horizontally only, maximize vertically only. Then we can have a set of these six buttons at every corner of every window! So, what's that, 24 buttons on each window! Yeah!!! That will really empower everybody!!! W00T!
 
ok like its hard to press a button to minimize everything or just show the desktop? and btw, not everyone has a 30" monitor. i happen to have a notebook and content doesnt always show fully in the window. but you want to apply a universal standard.

yeah the OP said that but the person you replied to didnt. and seriously, whining about an extra little button (that YOU would NEVER have to press) is about the worst argument ive ever heard, and ive been to gamespot.com's system wars forums.

the goal is that there will be no universal standards, and everything will be up to us, that can even include the size of our digital keyboards!!
 
I don't have a 30" display either.



You're argument is far worse - so far it's been "because it's my preference."

I'm not familiar with this gamespot.com you speak of.



Forgive me, I wasn't aware pointlessly maximizing windows *empowered* people in such a tremendous way. Please, show me the light.

Maybe we should have six buttons up there - close, minimize, maximize, fit-to-conetent, maximize horizontally only, maximize vertically only. Then we can have a set of these six buttons at every corner of every window! So, what's that, 24 buttons on each window! Yeah!!! That will really empower EVERYBODY!

imagine a bunch of biased children making baseless claims of superiority and you can appreciate gamespot.com's system wars forum..

anyway, your arument has been just the same, that its your preference. you tried to use efficiency as another reason, and miserably failed.

who is talking about 24 buttons? who else is askin for minimize horizontally? you are just over exadurating to try and prove your point. one day you will learn how to debate logically.
 
imagine a bunch of biased children making baseless claims of superiority and you can appreciate gamespot.com's system wars forum..

anyway, your arument has been just the same, that its your preference. you tried to use efficiency as another reason, and miserably failed.

who is talking about 24 buttons? who else is askin for minimize horizontally? you are just over exadurating to try and prove your point. one day you will learn how to debate logically.

well, dpaanlka, just didnt' like the idea of 4 buttons, it's understandable, there "USED" to a certain thing, and for some people, change is diffucult... it's ok, we all have our own prefrences and the most important thing technology does is make it fit us the way we find it comfortable...

anything else is dead wrong and idealogical!!! haha j/k
 
imagine a bunch of biased children making baseless claims of superiority and you can appreciate gamespot.com's system wars forum..

anyway, your arument has been just the same, that its your preference. you tried to use efficiency as another reason, and miserably failed.

who is talking about 24 buttons? who else is askin for minimize horizontally? you are just over exadurating to try and prove your point. one day you will learn how to debate logically.

Well, my 24 buttons bit is to over-exaggerate what would happen if Apple implemented every possible preference held by it's customers. That would be pretty ridiculous wouldn't it?

And I don't see how my efficiency argument failed. You haven't shown me any possible way working inefficiently is better than working efficiently. In fact, you haven't really given any argument at all. So get off your high horse about these mad debating skills you think you have - if anything yours are worse than mine.
 
But you're assuming that you'll never need to see, say, your desktop. What if you suddenly decided that you really liked a picture on a web site and wanted to save it to your hard drive or some other folder or drive on your desktop? Well, too bad, because your window is maximized.

And I can reverse your argument on yourself, saying I can't see how you're "more focused" with your entire screen being white space.

And all this maximize garbage came up because the OP said he hates the way the Mac OS fit-to-content zooming resizing button thing works, implying he would rather have this "fixed" so that it works just like Windows (maximize everything!!!). So yes, somebody did say that.

If you want to save a photo, right click on it and save link as or whatever your preferred browser says. or you could drag it to the blank spot next to your dock. Maximizing a window doesn't make you some sort of 'square'. Ask photoshop or FCP or Illustrator users if they maximize, i bet most do. when working on 1 big project, you need 1 big window. in essence, if you have a desk, you'd clear it off completely so you can spread out your big project on it. that's what people do when they're focused on one project, it's like using a drafting table. and if you need to quickly switch between maximized windows, macOS has this lovely function called expose which is perfect for the task.

I'm male and don't multitask well. in fact, studies have consistently shown that when multitasking people are less productive. Many people need to multitask to accomplish their tasks, but for the most part I do not. I focus on one task until it's finished or the clock strikes 5 (we're getting close here on the east coast, thankfully...).

Overall no, fit to content isn't broken, it's a great feature. many users would just like to see a maximize command and perhaps some 'arrange windows' commands wouldn't hurt either. i like having 2 windows next to each other, but arranging them without wasting space (for me it's almost ocd, that one line of background pixels will distract me) is tedious.
 
I have never maximized any single Final Cut Pro window. I roundly disagree with pretty much the rest of it but this debate is just going in circles now...
 
If you want to save a photo, right click on it and save link as or whatever your preferred browser says. or you could drag it to the blank spot next to your dock. Maximizing a window doesn't make you some sort of 'square'. Ask photoshop or FCP or Illustrator users if they maximize, i bet most do. when working on 1 big project, you need 1 big window. in essence, if you have a desk, you'd clear it off completely so you can spread out your big project on it. that's what people do when they're focused on one project, it's like using a drafting table. and if you need to quickly switch between maximized windows, macOS has this lovely function called expose which is perfect for the task.

I'm male and don't multitask well. in fact, studies have consistently shown that when multitasking people are less productive. Many people need to multitask to accomplish their tasks, but for the most part I do not. I focus on one task until it's finished or the clock strikes 5 (we're getting close here on the east coast, thankfully...).

Overall no, fit to content isn't broken, it's a great feature. many users would just like to see a maximize command and perhaps some 'arrange windows' commands wouldn't hurt either. i like having 2 windows next to each other, but arranging them without wasting space (for me it's almost ocd, that one line of background pixels will distract me) is tedious.

I agree, now can we just all get along ;)
 
Well, my 24 buttons bit is to over-exaggerate what would happen if Apple implemented every possible preference held by it's customers. That would be pretty ridiculous wouldn't it?

And I don't see how my efficiency argument failed. You haven't shown me any possible way working inefficiently is better than working efficiently. In fact, you haven't really given any argument at all. So get off your high horse about these mad debating skills you think you have - if anything yours are worse than mine.

at least i am logical and do not think that its my way or the highway. i understand what you are saying about it getting out of control if they tried to put in every feature everyone wanted, but this one serves a purpose. ever gone to web sites on a laptop and had the words either so small you cant see, or had them go off the edge so you have to scroll? why not be able to push the maximize button and then make the text bigger.

i also said i understand the feature not being there, just that i think it would be a plus to have it. but you act as if the mere idea is blasphemy. its not about being on a high horse, its about recognizing the ability, or lack thereof, to have a logical discussion.

and again no one is talking about putting that many buttons. you cant apply opened floodgate logic to everything or you get nowhere. the way i work is not inefficient. served me just fine for my 3.7 GPA. you are just claiming it is inefficient because you happen to like one way better than the other. you fail to realize that it is preference and not some fact of efficiency.
 
if i sit here on macrumors right now, on safari, and press the intellisize button, it shrinks it down to little less then half the screen. do you know the amount of content it removes from my vision if i do that?? THAT is inefficient.
 
I disagree! Long live the debate!

I'm with dpaanlka, a maximize button isn't needed.

If you need to maximize, use your mouse - nobody has said it can't be done. Some just whine about having to use a mouse to resize a window.

Hide others and the "Fit to content" button can accomplish the same effect - isolating a single window for means of focusing - and are already part of OS X.

For some reason, I have faith that Apple knows what they are doing when it comes to UI design. After all, they did popularize the UI as we know it.

and mattrick...we get it...you're a programmer and you're smart - and somehow in your head your argument makes sense.
 
Spaces to the rescue?

I'm surprised that no one has discussed Spaces upcoming impact on this situation. People can have a number of windows open to whatever size they wish and just whisk them in and out as they want.

But, then I guess it wouldn't fuel any arguing... :rolleyes:
 
if i sit here on macrumors right now, on safari, and press the intellisize button, it shrinks it down to little less then half the screen. do you know the amount of content it removes from my vision if i do that?? THAT is inefficient.

Actually, if you are maximizing the window to the full screen, you hamper your reading ability because after a certain line length, the eye has problems registering which line of text is the next line. So you could actually be slowing yourself down.
 
Actually, if you are maximizing the window to the full screen, you hamper your reading ability because after a certain line length, the eye has problems registering which line of text is the next line. So you could actually be slowing yourself down.

never had such an issue working with any standard or laptop monitor. maybe on a large large screen thats a problem, but also unless you are looking at a plain text editor that wouldnt happen anyway. most content is divided into areas, they aren just super long strings across the screen.
 
I disagree! Long live the debate!

I'm with dpaanlka, a maximize button isn't needed.

If you need to maximize, use your mouse - nobody has said it can't be done. Some just whine about having to use a mouse to resize a window.

Hide others and the "Fit to content" button can accomplish the same effect - isolating a single window for means of focusing - and are already part of OS X.

For some reason, I have faith that Apple knows what they are doing when it comes to UI design. After all, they did popularize the UI as we know it.

and mattrick...we get it...you're a programmer and you're smart - and somehow in your head your argument makes sense.

yes because no one uses a laptop without a mouse ever
 
I disagree! Long live the debate!

I'm with dpaanlka, a maximize button isn't needed.

If you need to maximize, use your mouse - nobody has said it can't be done. Some just whine about having to use a mouse to resize a window.

Hide others and the "Fit to content" button can accomplish the same effect - isolating a single window for means of focusing - and are already part of OS X.

For some reason, I have faith that Apple knows what they are doing when it comes to UI design. After all, they did popularize the UI as we know it.

and mattrick...we get it...you're a programmer and you're smart - and somehow in your head your argument makes sense.

"needed"? of course note, but neither do you "need" a mac, you could use a $300 linux pc. The point is that some people would like a maximize option. it would definitely cater to switchers (switchers are good for everyone, keep that in mind), and I'm positive Apple could apply the idea in an attractive slick and easy to use manner that would satisfy both switchers and old hands. people who like to maximize aren't morons, nor are those who don't. expose has made maximized windows much more useful since you can still switch apps extremely quickly, and spaces will only make it easier. Will a maximize button show up in leopard? I doubt it, but it would be a convenience I'd be happy about.

I also noticed that lightroom has an oval button on the top right which maximizes the selected photo (it minimizes the lightroom menus around the photo, not the actual window). Something similar for all windows would be quick, easy and i doubt it would anger many users.
 
The debate over the maximize function is pointless.

To get back on track... to the OP: I switched last fall and have found good and bad things. However, I went into this with a completely open mind and willing to give myself several months to adjust. It has been difficult at times because I am a power user who spends 8-10 hours every day working on a windows pc programming, emailing, and managing projects. There are adjustments here and there that I have made to the OS to fit my preferences. I think that is one of the strengths of OS X - customization.

Bottom line is that a computer is a tool. It is not furniture, and it does not bring any intrinsic value other than allowing us to do the things we want to do. Like many things in life, there are trade-offs. The question is whether the benefits outweigh the costs. For me, the benefits are stability and tight integration and these far outweight a few minor inconveniences. The more I play around with my Macs (iMac 24 & MBP 15), the more I like them.
 
Just a tip:

matttrick: I understand your preference and I do (also as an ex Windows user) partly agree with you. More than one window visible can indeed be distracting, but it is easily solved: every app has the option ( under app main pulldown menu ) to hide other apps (command option H ), start using it!

Anyway welcome to the mac-community.:)
 
"needed"? of course note, but neither do you "need" a mac, you could use a $300 linux pc. The point is that some people would like a maximize option. it would definitely cater to switchers (switchers are good for everyone, keep that in mind), and I'm positive Apple could apply the idea in an attractive slick and easy to use manner that would satisfy both switchers and old hands. people who like to maximize aren't morons, nor are those who don't. expose has made maximized windows much more useful since you can still switch apps extremely quickly, and spaces will only make it easier. Will a maximize button show up in leopard? I doubt it, but it would be a convenience I'd be happy about.

I also noticed that lightroom has an oval button on the top right which maximizes the selected photo (it minimizes the lightroom menus around the photo, not the actual window). Something similar for all windows would be quick, easy and i doubt it would anger many users.

True...but while we are at it, we should probably add a task bar and a start button to accommodate switchers too. :rolleyes:

EDIT: PS, we have quite the audience. I noticed the page view counts on this thread has skyrocketed in the last couple hours!
 
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