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New MacBook Air Doesn't Ship with Adobe Flash

fs454 said:
if you need flash, just install it? No biggie.

But they probably did this to get higher battery life figures. No flash ads or any other content anywhere during their tests.
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Apple's battery tests are almost always done using their own in-house servers, containing their own custom content. (At least, that's how they did the iPhones.)

Edit: ah, they changed the test this time. For the Air, they say "The wireless productivity test measures battery life by wirelessly browsing 25 popular websites with display brightness set to 50%." Doesn't say what sites, or how often they browsed. In some other tests, they do 20 pages an hour.
 
kdarling said:
Apple's battery tests are almost always done using their own in-house servers, containing their own custom content.

Edit: ah, they changed the test this time. For the Air, they say "The wireless productivity test measures battery life by wirelessly browsing 25 popular websites with display brightness set to 50%." Doesn't say what sites, or how often they browsed. In some other tests, they do 20 pages an hour.
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What ARE you talking about???

Apple is the *one* computer company with hardware that repeatedly meets or exceeds their battery life claims. Not just with the new suite, either, this has been the case for years.

You are barking up the wrong tree on this one...
 
In my opinion this is great, whatever the reason Apple are doing it. At the rate Flash needs updating for security issues etc, users are better off installing the latest version, not the one that was out when Apple imaged a factory load of computers that could have been months ago (well probably not right now with the new Airs, but going forward...). This encourages to do that more, and educate those who have no clue that it's even possible.
 
kdarling said:
Well, if you actually followed the conversation thread, it was about whether or not Flash was left out in order to make the battery tests look better.

Obviously that would depend on what are the "25 popular websites" they test with.
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So cite the :apple: device (MacBook, iPod, iPad, whatever) that hasn't met or exceeded Apple's battery life claims.

Or is it all tinfoil hats and black helicopters and headless bodies in the desert?
 
conradwt said:
First, it's not the job of Apple to display an option to install Flash. It's really the responsibility of the website builder(s) to provide this functionality. Second, if you do not know how to do/use something, then you should just ask a knowledgeable person because this doesn't require one to be computer savvy. However, it does require one to have some common sense in basic problem solving. Lastly, I agree with an earlier responder in that one should have the option to install Flash instead of making it the default.
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Tell you the truth I think it is Apple job to tell you that.

It should put a box there telling you a missing plug in and if you click on it the Browser will see if it can find and download the plug in for you. It is a really nice thing in Firefox.
 
The way for Adobe to win this war is to withdraw Flash for the Mac. In a single fell stroke, they'd win the war because the clamour from Mac users to have flash back would be HUGE.

I agree that Flash is rubbish, but it's also very entrenched. It's one of the most important components of the modern web. Apple would do better to be co-operative rather than petulant. If I was Adobe, I'd say ****'em, let's just take it away.
 
The idiocy of claiming that HTML5 can replace Flash astounds me. YES... HTML5 can do sound and video... NOT apps.

And there lies the REAL reason Jobs doesn't like it. He cannot control it, so ban it or make it difficult. And that is what he is doing.
 
ReluctantMac said:
The idiocy of claiming that HTML5 can replace Flash astounds me. YES... HTML5 can do sound and video... NOT apps.
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Nonsense. That same kind of argument was made against Flash too, because it differed from standard compiled apps. Given that true HTML5 code can be run offline via application caching, I don't see the difference between Flash and HTML5 in that regard.

But I'm open to your reasoning. Why do you claim HTML5 apps aren't real apps?

ReluctantMac said:
And there lies the REAL reason Jobs doesn't like it. He cannot control it, so ban it or make it difficult. And that is what he is doing.
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Nice conspiracy theory, but it's silly. Jobs has already exhaustively explained himself and been proven largely correct: he is distancing Apple's mobile devices from Flash because of its performance issues and Adobe's apparent indifference to making serious improvements to it. I have an Android phone and have seen Flash performance on it and it's pathetic. If Flash were running flawlessly on it, I'd agree with you, but that's not the case.
 
As an aside, I watched the keynote live from the Apple site yesterday, and I must say the HTML5 video delivery was impressive. Running it full screen, the quality was excellent although it did partially pixelate momentarily a couple of times in some of the more dynamic iMovie clips they showed. Whatever other merits it may or may not have, there is absolutely no need for the Flash plug-in to show video any more.
 
ReluctantMac said:
The idiocy of claiming that HTML5 can replace Flash astounds me. YES... HTML5 can do sound and video... NOT apps.
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Well, let's go back, rewind. Remember how video streaming is owned by Real Player and Windows Media? At that time, Flash was just for vector based simple animations. People were thinking there's no way you would use Flash to stream videos, let alone games/apps. Technology evolved, paradigm shifted, and we're here now. Technology will evolve too with HTML5. It's the nature of progression.
 
Flash mash

Flash is to the web what animation is to the movie industry, cute and amusing but all in all it's just a kids movie.:apple:
 
I'm thinking this is a bit too far, but maybe Adobe asked for it to not ship with the Mac. Maybe get more support from people by it making news.

I honestly don't care.
 
Flash is like Booze. You know its bad for you, But boy, It feels good when you use it. Most of the websites im on use Flash , But my MBP performs without any trouble. Flash, Its whats for dinner.
 
Alexjones said:
Flash is like Booze. You know its bad for you, But boy, It feels good when you use it. Most of the websites im on use Flash , But my MBP performs without any trouble. Flash, Its whats for dinner.
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Nothing is going to prevent you from installing it. Almost every website that hosts Flash content includes the link back to Adobe if you don't have Flash installed or don't have a required updated version. The difference is that any problems you might have with Flash fall into the category of a self-inflicted wound.
 
Alexjones said:
Flash is like Booze. You know its bad for you, But boy, It feels good when you use it. Most of the websites im on use Flash , But my MBP performs without any trouble. Flash, Its whats for dinner.
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If flash were like booze, we'd have solve alcoholism a long time ago. I always hate flash website from the code, hated how I couldn't copy past freely, hated how they designer was trying to wow me with nasty looking interfaces, graphics and transitions. It always felt cheap and gimmicky to me.
 
Call me simple, But i am new to OSX. Ive been using Windows for years and took Flash for grant it. There is nothing i had to change or install on my MBP. Right out of the box, I was able to use Youtube and Camarades (Both Flash oriented). Is there something im missing? Im not a flash fanboy, But some websites use flash. Half the time you dont even know its flash. You just assume its part of the website and dont think twice about it.
 
I remember you had to install flash in my pc days too, but some installations came preloaded. Flash is plugin for the browser from adobe (formerly from macromedia) that allows such "rich" content as clips, animations, flash games etc. These are by far most in usage by ads, but some website built navigation menus on flash animations, at least they used to be big on it a few years ago, it's trend that is dieing out now. Clips can also be encapsulated in a flash format which gives no real advantage other than paying adobe royalties. Open standards such as html5 aim to do away with the middleman in flash and they handle video just fine. They are not that employed yet however in terms of other types of rich content.

Alex what you can do to see how flash impacts your system, or what is or isn't flash) is install the click to flash safari extension. Got to file menu on safari, click on safari extensions gallery and then on click to flash to download it. You should have enabled extensions in safari preferences btw. It's a great add on that blocks flash and then you can double click only on items you wan to see. It' simple you 'll figure it out and if you don't want it you can just got to preferences and unselect enable extension where click to flash is. But I am sure you are going to like it, most people do anyway. Another great feature it has, two actually, is that you can explicitly set on website to allow all flash content, and even better wherever click to flash finds content in better formats, html5 say in youtube for clips, it gets these instead of flash. For one thing you get rid of tons of annoying ads that would hog resources for no reason.
 
I just started using Firefox. What i do though is keep an eye on my CPU usage. The CPU remains pretty stable when using Flash. I would love to try HTML5 though. Anything to prolong the life of my MBP. How do i use HTML 5?
 
so basically, in a nutshell, the "magic of the iPad" in Lion has shifted the product lineup, with that magic being the lack of flash installed OOB.

Its the "We learned a lot from iPad" that I love...


The apple site also has "It’s designed around all-flash....."
 
Nice going Apple.

They narrowly avoided getting sued by the Department of Justice Antitrust Division and European Commission antitrust authorities over the developer limitations for iOS 4.0; Apple could get these lawsuits revived very quickly if we find out that what they did with the new MacBook Air in regards to Adobe Flash also applies to future MacBook, MacBook Pro, iMac and Mac Pro hardware updates.
 
Wirelessly posted (Mozilla/5.0 (iPhone; U; CPU iPhone OS 4_1 like Mac OS X; en-us) AppleWebKit/532.9 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/4.0.5 Mobile/8B117 Safari/6531.22.7)

Good riddens to that "buggy software!"
 
studiomusic said:
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From the ranting in this thread, it seems that the one(s) that are butt hurt are the Flash Fanboiz.

"Whaaaaaaaaaaa! I need to click a link to install Flash now just like on about any other computer out there!! It's not fair! Apple is teh suxxer!"





Really? You use those sites daily for music work?
Do you get paid for this work?
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absolutely. I'm a musician and music teacher life is good :D
 
trainwrecka said:
I'm thinking this is a bit too far, but maybe Adobe asked for it to not ship with the Mac. Maybe get more support from people by it making news.

I honestly don't care.
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No, it's just Engadget trying to do a linkbait and get clicks, and obviously they were successful, enough to do a sequel. Really, this is not news at all. If you look at all blogs/forums, the source is Engadget that brought this up as a link bait.
 
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