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New MacBook Air Doesn't Ship with Adobe Flash
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So what Flash isn't installed, it's not like people can't figure out what to do.
Actually, it was more of a pain having it (and java) ship with OS X. People started depending on Apple for updates (which in Java's case was an obligation) instead of getting more up to date code from the proper vendors.
This is good news. Anyway, I always got Flash from Adobe.
Click to Flash is named in every Flash thread here. Everyone with an Avatar that has participated in a Flash thread, including Spanky, has read about it.
Average user I'll give you. Those don't visit Macrumors.
And again, on that link thing. Click to Flash is not browser agnostic as far as I know. Firefox uses NoScript, Chrome uses FlashBlock. If a user does not indicate their browser, there is no way to point them to the proper method for their system and just linking to click to flash could result in more confusion if they are already confused and can't find this stuff on their own.
Flash sucks period, but I welcome it because without it we would be back to Windows Media Player as it was before Flash videos became the "standard"
But I just love how so many of the haters here are standing up for the "other" customers that they think are too stupid to know to download Flash from Adobe's website. Worry about yourselves, especially if you know what to do.
Give people more credit than just calling them stupid. What happens when you can't figure out something on your computer, you either Google it or you call someone close to you that knows computers. So what Flash isn't installed, it's not like people can't figure out what to do.
I agree (mostly). Does that shock you?
But that being said - I will add that this is an example of the misnomer "It just works." And that Macs have no learning curve, etc.
The fact is - all devices require people to LEARN about the functionality or lack of and take a vested interest in getting the most they can/want out of their devices.
Jobs knows that Flash doesn't run well on a system with 10 year old specs - therefor no flash pre-installed. It thought everyone knew that.
Which system has 10 year old specs ? Oh wait, that was a joke about the Macbook Air, wow you're very clever.
Oh come on, get off your high horse already. I don't remember every single thread I've read on here (probably tens of thousands now) and certainly not every post. While I do now recall hearing of click-to-flash and will certainly help, it doesn't do exactly what I mentioned - i.e. a button that can switch flash on and off across all browser windows from the task bar. As far as I can tell, there is no app that can do that and there wasn't in 2005 either.
It seems you'd rather criticise, mock and argue rather than actually be remotely helpful. A helpful post would have been something like "As far as I know there's nothing that can switch Flash on and off across all browser windows with a click of a task bar button but if you're using Safari then Click to Flash might be worth looking into or NoScript for Firefox or FlashBlock for Chrome."
Good riddance.
The current implementation of Flash has several serious problems.
Firstly it sucks CPU cycles. If you visit sites with 3 or more embedded Flash adverts, Safari can start to crawl.
It also is incredibly unstable. I've had many crashes in Safari over the years, and the majority of them have been due to the Flash plugin taking the rest of the browser down with it.
It also tends to hammer the disk badly, particularly after viewing certain sites, even when not viewing Flash content. It appears to be attempting to access cached info, but I've no idea as to why.
The most annoying problem, though, is the way it leaks memory. Eventually Safari will start to swap out due to the massive amount of RAM the Flash plugin has taken up.
Since I've installed ClickToFlash the majority of these issues have gone away. I still get the odd problem or two when I elect to actually use Flash, but the majority have gone.
The current implementation of Flash has several serious problems.
Firstly it sucks CPU cycles. If you visit sites with 3 or more embedded Flash adverts, Safari can start to crawl.
It also is incredibly unstable. I've had many crashes in Safari over the years, and the majority of them have been due to the Flash plugin taking the rest of the browser down with it.
It also tends to hammer the disk badly, particularly after viewing certain sites, even when not viewing Flash content. It appears to be attempting to access cached info, but I've no idea as to why.
The most annoying problem, though, is the way it leaks memory. Eventually Safari will start to swap out due to the massive amount of RAM the Flash plugin has taken up.
Since I've installed ClickToFlash the majority of these issues have gone away. I still get the odd problem or two when I elect to actually use Flash, but the majority have gone.
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Click 2 flash - google it
Click 2 flash - google it
Which system has 10 year old specs ? Oh wait, that was a joke about the Macbook Air, wow you're very clever.
A joke yes but partly true. Flash will bog a 1.4Ghz 2Gb MBA down considerably, HTML5 too.
Thanks I am long time member of other apple forums, somehow mr never clicked, habit possibly and definitely the sometimes rude atmosphere here. It's good to know there are polite people around too.
As for click to flash I am sure you are going to enjoy it, especially on an apple notebook it saves so much memory and cpu resources from flash elements (which are as much ubiquitous it turns out as they are unhelpful). It used to be an add on for safari but now with the sdk for the extensions out, it's even better. I have not felt I needed to put any website on the "whitewash" list by the way which explicitly allowed flash content, but you might. Any flash content is just a double click away anyway.
Also for anyone interested in getting that resource hog out of their precious systems, opt in to html5 to sites such as youtube and daily motion. Here's how, it's just a click away.
http://www.youtube.com/html5
http://www.dailymotion.com/html5
(browse down and click on the big orange button)
Another great feature of click to flash, is that it will automatically look for html5 content when available, such as in sites as vimeo and daily motion.
But it's too high, I might get hurt. Can you be helpful and provide a ladder ?
Some people really need to read up on the ignore list. Stop criticizing my way of posting, that's how I am. You're free to read or not read me.
And of course, that doesn't exist because it's terrible. Click to Flash and things like NoScript/FlashBlock disable Flash entirely and provide a way to enable it by selectively clicking the Flash you want on a page.
Why would you want to enable Flash on everything that's opened at once ? Loading all the ads along with the video/animation/game you're trying to play. Just enable the video/animation/game in the window you're focused in and leave all other Flash disabled. Much better. And that's why all software that blocks Flash don't do it your way, because there's not really a use case for doing it that way.
1.4 GHZ is not a 10 year old spec. And Flash didn't bog down my Pentium-II 333 mhz running the Linux Flash player of all things, so I really doubt it would bog down the MBA. 1.4 ghz is plenty.
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I can't believe you aren't allowed to install Adobe Flash on the new MacBook Air! This is going to annoy a lot of stupid people out there.
I LOLed at this IRL. Stupid people shouldn't call people stupid. You are allowed to install flash at any time, it just isn't done for you.
A lot of people detest Adobe Flash. Flash trashes the CPU processing sucking up all the available resources and makes computers run like molasses in the winter. Not only that but Adobe Flash is mostly used for glitz, advertising and other useless garbage. No need. There are better ways to use my computer.
By the way, Adobe should not have had the right to call it Flash. I had the name in the computer industry for my magazine long before them. See:
http://FlashMag.com
This way, when Flash fires up the fans on your new MBA to full speed (and Flash 10.1 is a *TON* better than older versions were!!!), it's self-inflicted. How do people not get that? Your slow Flash plug-in was something you installed. If it doesn't perform, talk to Adobe. :shrug:
Honestly, people, how hard is that? LOL!
Mount the DMG, then either copy the app to Applications or run the installer package, done. Eject the DMG. Same as it ever was...
Honestly, people, how hard is that? LOL!
Sorry, but that's a problem with your OS's process scheduler, not with a userspace process like Flash.
The OS should be able to handle misbehaving applications.
This is hardly surprising. Flash contains so many security holes that it's always out-of-date, while the shelf-life of Apple's DVDs extends far beyond the lifespan of any/every version of Flash Player. While any included Apple OS is also likely to have been patched, unlike Mac OS X, you don't need Flash in order to update Flash, why bother shipping any version at all, regardless of Steve Jobs' feelings about it. After all, they don't ship Flip4Mac, Shockwave, Microsoft Office Live, or any of a bunch of other third-party web browser plug-ins with the system.
Safari doesn't offer click-to-install for any plug-in. The absence of option to do so for Flash is not even slightly unique.
People are pretending this is like a conspiracy or corporate machinations, when there are far more practical reasons not to be constantly chasing one's tail over something that is constantly out-of-date, and being the vector for someone's problems. (See also: Adobe Reader.) If you don't have Flash Player, but need it, not being supplied with the system will force you to get a somewhat recent version.
You want Flash Player? Go to get.adobe.com/flashplayer. Because you're going to have to anyway. Otherwise all your secret belong to [someone].
P.S. It's a phuking 7.5MB download. Get the hell over it. You've wasted more than that acting all indignant and outraged on this thread.
Safari doesn't offer click-to-install for any plug-in. The absence of option to do so for Flash is not even slightly unique.
People are pretending this is like a conspiracy or corporate machinations, when there are far more practical reasons not to be constantly chasing one's tail over something that is constantly out-of-date, and being the vector for someone's problems. (See also: Adobe Reader.) If you don't have Flash Player, but need it, not being supplied with the system will force you to get a somewhat recent version.
You want Flash Player? Go to get.adobe.com/flashplayer. Because you're going to have to anyway. Otherwise all your secret belong to [someone].
P.S. It's a phuking 7.5MB download. Get the hell over it. You've wasted more than that acting all indignant and outraged on this thread.
Even worst, September of last year Apple "downgraded" Flash to a less secure version as well. It's been very messy for them keeping up.
~ CB
Like how they did extensive antenna testing on the iPhone 4
(oh no I didnt bring that up)
I know you're kidding but I think Apple sales figures and AT&T's activation numbers pretty much proves it was a non-issue all along. I suspect a lot of angry Android fans/Apple haters were pushing this story. It amazed me how frequently I'd encounter someone on a discussion forum foaming at the mouth about the antenna only to find out they didn't even own an iPhone.
I gotta say...
I have Nexus One with Froyo and I have Flash installed. Just about every time I have to use it I feel like maybe, just maybe, Jobs knew what he was talking about when he blasted it on the mobile platform.
What is nice is that I can load Flash on demand and, by default, none of the Flash objects load. If only I could get Chrome on OS X to have the same behavior. Flash is something I hate generally, but when I want to watch a press conference with Rex Ryan after the Jets win a game, I can't without it.
Loading it on demand would be great for battery life (and all the rogue memory eaten up by some browser window with a Flash ad that I've kept open for like 10 hours).
I have Nexus One with Froyo and I have Flash installed. Just about every time I have to use it I feel like maybe, just maybe, Jobs knew what he was talking about when he blasted it on the mobile platform.
What is nice is that I can load Flash on demand and, by default, none of the Flash objects load. If only I could get Chrome on OS X to have the same behavior. Flash is something I hate generally, but when I want to watch a press conference with Rex Ryan after the Jets win a game, I can't without it.
Loading it on demand would be great for battery life (and all the rogue memory eaten up by some browser window with a Flash ad that I've kept open for like 10 hours).
I hope it does. As everyone is saying, Apple doesn't (feel as if it) need Adobe. Adobe would lose a fair chunk of their revenue from the move but they could also shave off alot of development cost. All Adobe needs to do is kill off all mac production, sell of all mac hardware used for dev and team up with vendors like HP and BOXX to offer products @ reduced cost when bundled with the machine , or sell box(x)ed versions like normal. Obviously this is a cliffnotes version but something to that effect.
There is absolutely no reason for Adobe to continue to be a scapegoat for everything that Apple feels is wrong in the world. So far, they (Adobe as a whole) have been "responsible" for low battery life, stifled web development, insecurity, increasing difficulty to dev etc.
Why bother if your name is constantly being dragged through the mud to drum up support for someone else's agendas.
Adobe won't die in the end. Despite what many claim, sales of the Creative Suites are alive and kicking on the Windows platform and wouldn't go down just 'cause those mac user's are no longer apart of the party.
Apple will also survive. They *may* lose some ground in the photo segment unless they can find an alternative (perhaps open source?) and bolster their Aperture offering. They will also still have a pretty good following in other segments as long as they don't piss AVID or Autodesk off.
First, it's not the job of Apple to display an option to install Flash. It's really the responsibility of the website builder(s) to provide this functionality. Second, if you do not know how to do/use something, then you should just ask a knowledgeable person because this doesn't require one to be computer savvy. However, it does require one to have some common sense in basic problem solving. Lastly, I agree with an earlier responder in that one should have the option to install Flash instead of making it the default.