Adblock extension btw for anyone interested its on the safari gallery. Click on the menu and you ll see it. Click to flash is great too, as most ads are flash and when you want to see flash content just double click it. You can even have. Whole web sites on or off flash permanently. Almost everyone using it swears by it. You can also opt in for html5 at YouTube with on click, so there's litlle to none reason to bother with flash.
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New MacBook Air Doesn't Ship with Adobe Flash
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Adblock extension btw for anyone interested its on the safari gallery. Click on the menu and you ll see it. Click to flash is great too, as most ads are flash and when you want to see flash content just double click it. You can even have. Whole web sites on or off flash permanently. Almost everyone using it swears by it. You can also opt in for html5 at YouTube with on click, so there's litlle to none reason to bother with flash.
I'm not finding click toflash anywhere. Oh right, because that's a damn Safari thing. For my Firefox NoScript does the job and for Chrome it's FlashBlock. Of course I didn't name an extension because he didn't mention which browser he was using.
There's also glimmerblocker that works accross browsers but I don't like things that require fiddling with Proxy settings.
I didn't mock him, only informed him such things existed and have for years. Again, since he never mentionned which browser he used, it was futile to name any.
I'm pretty sure I responded to a question asking downloading Chrome was easier than downloading Flash. I simply responded to the poster why people might want to get Chrome instead of just getting Flash for Safari. So yes, someone did ask thankyouverymuch.
Now chill. There's nothing wrong with using and liking software not made by apple.
This could not be more true. I was on vacation in the Virgin Islands and people were looking up local web pages on the computer in the lobby while their fancy ipads uselessly sat next to them.
That is how i feel about the iphone, i can tolerate the lack of flash but it does not mean i am happy overall with the iphone.
I think he does understand but is so violently determined to recycle and defend apple, that like Ari fleischer, reality and facts do not matter.
You seem intelligent, you know what myproblem with your post was, when you tell someone welcome to 2005 you are mocking them.
If you are to tout chrome even as a response you might as well mention its many downsides. I love opera too, but if I do make a case about it it won't be for flash or extensions safari already gas.
If you are to tout chrome even as a response you might as well mention its many downsides. I love opera too, but if I do make a case about it it won't be for flash or extensions safari already gas.
Its already happening. Apple deprecated JVM for Mac OS X. I think we may have to download separately from Oracle if you want to run Java apps.
Apple Deprecates Their JVM - Slashdot
Just loaded 8 computers with win7. Had to load the adobe software on all 8.
Some oems may include it.
I really don't see the big deal of apple not including it.
Well, maybe it is for the best. Windows doesn't come with Flash, why should the Mac.
Also wasn't there a problem when 10.6.x updates had an older version of Flash over riding the newer version of Flash. Better to handle the installation of Flash from Adobe.
Also wasn't there a problem when 10.6.x updates had an older version of Flash over riding the newer version of Flash. Better to handle the installation of Flash from Adobe.
You and LTD win the Apple Most Devoted Users Award. Happy now?
Adobe only cares about money because of Ads? Yeah. Ok. By that logic - and with your "block all ads" - maybe we should kill HTML5 too - because that's the platform iAds uses to deliver their ads. You know - iAds - a MONEY MAKING service created by and profiting Apple?
Wow.
Not this user, cause I'm typically on facebook on my ipad.
as for the omission. for all we know, Adobe refused to give them permission to pre-installed the plug in. Or would only give them the same one that was on 10.6 at first release a year ago (which is now way old) or wanted some crazy high amount in payment for the rights.
or rather than being a big F U to Adobe, perhaps Apple is simply not pre-installing any 3rd party plug ins and letting their users decided what to have or not have.
Yes, Apple hates Flash, and leaving it out likely helped their battery life tests, but could this not also have something to do with Flash 10.1's OS X version being utter crap?
It was called crap before 10.1, but I never had much of a problem with it. Now it randomly slows my computer to sludge and frequently crashes (happily, though, at least it leaves modern browsers standing). If that's representative of its performance for other Mac users (and I suspect it is), it was reasonable for them to leave it out to give the user a better, smoother, if less complete, experience.
It was called crap before 10.1, but I never had much of a problem with it. Now it randomly slows my computer to sludge and frequently crashes (happily, though, at least it leaves modern browsers standing). If that's representative of its performance for other Mac users (and I suspect it is), it was reasonable for them to leave it out to give the user a better, smoother, if less complete, experience.
Why should Apple freely distribute another companies software?
All that does is artificially inflate the install base for that software.
In the past software companies would pay to have their software pre-installed and endusers complained.
As a form Flash developer I'm shocked to see how often I get error messages concerning Flash banners that will not load from within Safari. This was not the case six months ago. And I always have the latest install of Flash installed on my machine, something has changed.
All that does is artificially inflate the install base for that software.
In the past software companies would pay to have their software pre-installed and endusers complained.
As a form Flash developer I'm shocked to see how often I get error messages concerning Flash banners that will not load from within Safari. This was not the case six months ago. And I always have the latest install of Flash installed on my machine, something has changed.
I think this was unintentional, I believe its to lower the footprint of Mac OS X. That's why they also introduced that installer key.
They did it wrong though, they should've at least asked if they want to install the plugin. Many people don't know how to use computers, still.
They did it wrong though, they should've at least asked if they want to install the plugin. Many people don't know how to use computers, still.
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Every musician too
Unfortunately, some of us still need flash. I use www.songsterr.com and www.noteflight.com daily for music work
Every musician too
Unfortunately, some of us still need flash. I use www.songsterr.com and www.noteflight.com daily for music work
Nice trick to keep the batery time high and the heat in the MBA low, noise low as well. Once its on there - huuuiiiiiiiiiiiiiii
I don't care one way or another if flash survives (which it won't) or not, I don't like it and I am not going to use it other than very occasionally maybe. I don't miss it on my iphone or ipad.
But I 've literally developed a vengeful hatred for discussions on flash. I will be soooooo glad when this thing is put to rest one way or another, this moronic non issue from the pc side that has spewed countless of useless posting (myself included) just because someone is paying the pundits to keep this issue current to the good manufacturers using pcs, google, and ms have something to attack apple with.
I am going to say it once, and be out of here, for anyone who still doesn't know and is being mislead.
Flash has only been recently made available on mobile devices, to very few of them for that matter, and it's still not full desktop flash, it's still no good with touch interfaces. Flash used to be available to some limited devices before iphone but not only did it drain batteries, and was painfully slow, it wasn't even available half the time because the mobile variant (thanks to adobe's laziness) was not even anything close to the desktop variant. Apple approached adobe and asked them to put a decent version out for the iphone, they ignored them because they couldn't possibly feel threatened by a phone - no you couldn't geniuses - apple had better fix the battery issues themselves and take a hit for flash.
Of course they should have known they were dealing with Steve, back in the 80s when they were blackmailing him with inordinate amounts for lincencing os x fonts, Steve went to ms and their partnership gave birth to true type fonts.
So, after the run away success that was the iphone they started crying woolf, bitching like 15 year old girls, and gathering all the rest of the crowd with no viable option against iphone (ms, google back then) to create a huge idiotic hype about this thing. Of course every dime and dozen internet site (including this one I m afraid) for obvious reasons jumped on that with a barrage of disinformation.
Finally, like I said some semblance of flash did come to mobile devices, and by most accounts it was still crap on all fronts. Mac os x does use flash, but again due to adobe's laziness it's not optimized as well as in windows. (Flash on linux is crap too btw, but you don't see the open source community complaining about that? Guess why? Apple isn't making money on linux so there's no one there bothered to whine about it and no big sites such as this perpetuating a non issue)
But who cares? Most video content sites have gone to html5, and apple has (much to their credit) spear headed a revolt against a closed source, baggy software that is flash which can be easily replaced in the future as it should be with open standards. Why should a single company get royalties from every video posted with flash when there are either completely free or much cheaper standards? Html5 still has some way to go in terms of creative stuff, but it's getting there soon. And soon adobe will cave in and write their suite for html5 creation, it's the only way the can survive. (btw flash is a macromedia product acquired by adobe with parent company).
Google on the other hand with their fabulous cash cow that is android, forcing everyone to be advertised via them and them only (a pimping of the worst sorts), doesn't care about flash. It's just a trojan horse for their success. They don't care if your handset doesn't have battery life, if flash bogs down resources etc. etc. they just want to sell more androids so they can have your private data for ads.
And when did google care about anything really? Did they care about the content of their ads? When you post a search item say "batteries energizer duracell" you get sponsored links on top, you click on them and then these shops you go to, might or might not have what you searched for (try it with some relative obscure item) they just take you there because google wants your ad money regardless of accuracy.
Did they ever care about hosting spam or questionable or fraudulent ads? Of course not, haven't we all clicked by mistake on that garbage google ad, we all have. (and guess who cares about content of the ads THEY host, yes it's apple with iads, apple told adidas to ... off for failing to meet their criteria in a 10,000,000 dollar ad campaign in iads - that's guts to keep the quality of your programs).
Did they ever care about your private data? No sir. Their owner said if you don't want us knowing and tracking what you do, don't do it, because we are going to track you. They were found sharing apple's own geolocation and device data and details with a partner ad company from a prototype iphone and/or ipad which is what got SJ so pissed off. Just to get some perspective on the ridiculous amounts google is making from ads, apple alone, a brand with high recognition that would seemingly not need google ads for them paid (and someone correct me if I don't remember this 100% accurately with the numbers) 1 million $ as a monthly fee. Don't you think these gusy have few change to spare to advance a garbage non issue such as flash if it serves them well?
Yet all of a sudden the big issue here is apple and flash. Unbelievable propaganda.
End of story.
Forums will be a much, much better place without this whole thing.
He wasn't referring to adobe. So before wowing, re-read what he responded to.
But I 've literally developed a vengeful hatred for discussions on flash. I will be soooooo glad when this thing is put to rest one way or another, this moronic non issue from the pc side that has spewed countless of useless posting (myself included) just because someone is paying the pundits to keep this issue current to the good manufacturers using pcs, google, and ms have something to attack apple with.
I am going to say it once, and be out of here, for anyone who still doesn't know and is being mislead.
Flash has only been recently made available on mobile devices, to very few of them for that matter, and it's still not full desktop flash, it's still no good with touch interfaces. Flash used to be available to some limited devices before iphone but not only did it drain batteries, and was painfully slow, it wasn't even available half the time because the mobile variant (thanks to adobe's laziness) was not even anything close to the desktop variant. Apple approached adobe and asked them to put a decent version out for the iphone, they ignored them because they couldn't possibly feel threatened by a phone - no you couldn't geniuses - apple had better fix the battery issues themselves and take a hit for flash.
Of course they should have known they were dealing with Steve, back in the 80s when they were blackmailing him with inordinate amounts for lincencing os x fonts, Steve went to ms and their partnership gave birth to true type fonts.
So, after the run away success that was the iphone they started crying woolf, bitching like 15 year old girls, and gathering all the rest of the crowd with no viable option against iphone (ms, google back then) to create a huge idiotic hype about this thing. Of course every dime and dozen internet site (including this one I m afraid) for obvious reasons jumped on that with a barrage of disinformation.
Finally, like I said some semblance of flash did come to mobile devices, and by most accounts it was still crap on all fronts. Mac os x does use flash, but again due to adobe's laziness it's not optimized as well as in windows. (Flash on linux is crap too btw, but you don't see the open source community complaining about that? Guess why? Apple isn't making money on linux so there's no one there bothered to whine about it and no big sites such as this perpetuating a non issue)
But who cares? Most video content sites have gone to html5, and apple has (much to their credit) spear headed a revolt against a closed source, baggy software that is flash which can be easily replaced in the future as it should be with open standards. Why should a single company get royalties from every video posted with flash when there are either completely free or much cheaper standards? Html5 still has some way to go in terms of creative stuff, but it's getting there soon. And soon adobe will cave in and write their suite for html5 creation, it's the only way the can survive. (btw flash is a macromedia product acquired by adobe with parent company).
Google on the other hand with their fabulous cash cow that is android, forcing everyone to be advertised via them and them only (a pimping of the worst sorts), doesn't care about flash. It's just a trojan horse for their success. They don't care if your handset doesn't have battery life, if flash bogs down resources etc. etc. they just want to sell more androids so they can have your private data for ads.
And when did google care about anything really? Did they care about the content of their ads? When you post a search item say "batteries energizer duracell" you get sponsored links on top, you click on them and then these shops you go to, might or might not have what you searched for (try it with some relative obscure item) they just take you there because google wants your ad money regardless of accuracy.
Did they ever care about hosting spam or questionable or fraudulent ads? Of course not, haven't we all clicked by mistake on that garbage google ad, we all have. (and guess who cares about content of the ads THEY host, yes it's apple with iads, apple told adidas to ... off for failing to meet their criteria in a 10,000,000 dollar ad campaign in iads - that's guts to keep the quality of your programs).
Did they ever care about your private data? No sir. Their owner said if you don't want us knowing and tracking what you do, don't do it, because we are going to track you. They were found sharing apple's own geolocation and device data and details with a partner ad company from a prototype iphone and/or ipad which is what got SJ so pissed off. Just to get some perspective on the ridiculous amounts google is making from ads, apple alone, a brand with high recognition that would seemingly not need google ads for them paid (and someone correct me if I don't remember this 100% accurately with the numbers) 1 million $ as a monthly fee. Don't you think these gusy have few change to spare to advance a garbage non issue such as flash if it serves them well?
Yet all of a sudden the big issue here is apple and flash. Unbelievable propaganda.
End of story.
Forums will be a much, much better place without this whole thing.
You and LTD win the Apple Most Devoted Users Award. Happy now?
Adobe only cares about money because of Ads? Yeah. Ok. By that logic - and with your "block all ads" - maybe we should kill HTML5 too - because that's the platform iAds uses to deliver their ads. You know - iAds - a MONEY MAKING service created by and profiting Apple?
Wow.
He wasn't referring to adobe. So before wowing, re-read what he responded to.
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From the ranting in this thread, it seems that the one(s) that are butt hurt are the Flash Fanboiz.
"Whaaaaaaaaaaa! I need to click a link to install Flash now just like on about any other computer out there!! It's not fair! Apple is teh suxxer!"
Really? You use those sites daily for music work?
Do you get paid for this work?
From the ranting in this thread, it seems that the one(s) that are butt hurt are the Flash Fanboiz.
"Whaaaaaaaaaaa! I need to click a link to install Flash now just like on about any other computer out there!! It's not fair! Apple is teh suxxer!"
Really? You use those sites daily for music work?
Do you get paid for this work?
Um, no, Facebook runs just fine without Flash.
The moronic kiddie games on it don't, but that's a benefit.
There's no need to be rude. It's not something I've ever cared about enough to look into.
ClickToFlash looks perfect, I'll give it a try on my MBP. It's quite surprising that in this case it's the relative newbie to the site that's actually friendly and helpful and it's the user who's been here for nearly two years and has a relatively high number of posts that is the obnoxious one. Welcome to the site bouncer1!
I have to honest, this is the one thing that bugs me the most. When I'm on battery as soon as visit a flash site my battery indicator takes a serious drop and that's just uncalled for Adobe.
Get your Mac fixed. If I'm on battery and visit 1 Flash website, click the on-demand Flash loader and it loads it, my battery indicator... does nothing. Sure the estimated time remaining drops a bit, but then it goes back up as soon as I navigate away from that page.
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So you hate flash but not enough to have looked into getting it on-demand ? Next time, at least specify details so we can help you, I don't use Safari, so I don't assume anyone else does.
Flash sucks period, but I welcome it because without it we would be back to Windows Media Player as it was before Flash videos became the "standard"
But I just love how so many of the haters here are standing up for the "other" customers that they think are too stupid to know to download Flash from Adobe's website. Worry about yourselves, especially if you know what to do.
Give people more credit than just calling them stupid. What happens when you can't figure out something on your computer, you either Google it or you call someone close to you that knows computers. So what Flash isn't installed, it's not like people can't figure out what to do.
But I just love how so many of the haters here are standing up for the "other" customers that they think are too stupid to know to download Flash from Adobe's website. Worry about yourselves, especially if you know what to do.
Give people more credit than just calling them stupid. What happens when you can't figure out something on your computer, you either Google it or you call someone close to you that knows computers. So what Flash isn't installed, it's not like people can't figure out what to do.