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New MacBook Air Doesn't Ship with Adobe Flash
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Youre one of those guys that defend Apple no matter what. I usually skip over your posts since you dont really add anything to any discussion, just the same point of view, but you quoted me.
The article says that Safari, unlike other browser, doesnt give you the option to click and install when the user comes across flash. Thats usually set by default by the browser. If youtube gives their own link, I dont know, but if they do, my point still stands for all of the other flash sites out there. It would be really in convenient for all of those non computer savvy people out there, who couldnt care less about Apple vs Adobe. It would be really inconvenient for them for Safari not to give them the option of click to install. But Im sure youre going to defend Apple and say that all of the websites out there should modify their sites to do something that the browser normally does.
Yeah...sure....
If that's reason enough for you to switch to Windows, all I can is WOW. Didn't take much. And I have to agree, if you consider Flash important to the OS of the computer you use (The OS?!?! WTF?) then I guess Apple really blew it. I mean, expecting a person who buys an Air to actually go and download the latest version of the cra**y software is probably too much to expect. I mean, they just bought a system with no optical media drive and SSD. I'm sure the next most important thing is if it runs Flash. Just think of all the knock-off games on movie promotion sites you will be missing! Or the same games repurposed on breakfast cereal sites. Or the same games repurposed on soda sites...ETC.
If that's reason enough for you to switch to Windows, all I can is WOW. Didn't take much. And I have to agree, if you consider Flash important to the OS of the computer you use (The OS?!?! WTF?) then I guess Apple really blew it. I mean, expecting a person who buys an Air to actually go and download the latest version of the cra**y software is probably too much to expect. I mean, they just bought a system with no optical media drive and SSD. I'm sure the next most important thing is if it runs Flash. Just think of all the knock-off games on movie promotion sites you will be missing! Or the same games repurposed on breakfast cereal sites. Or the same games repurposed on soda sites...ETC.
Shipping a computer without Flash pre-installed isn't that big deal. However, if that news picture is correct, Safari doesn't show any kind of information about the missing plug-in. No plug-in name, no link to a download site, nothing. That's really confusing for most users, who don't know what plug-in might be missing and where to get it.
I know both of these have been picked over already, but I want another go.
Not once have I ran into a situation where anything on facebook ever required the use of flash. Maybe it's just me, but I don't do stupid, time wasting activities. I do however use it for genuine social networking with real friends.
As for YouTube, the ClickToFlash Safari extension works pretty well in bringing me flashless video. I love that I can download videos with one click and that it blocks ads and gets me to the actual video 100% of the time. I'm looking at you Vevo. Also works great on those popup things that people put into their videos that exceedingly rarely enhance the video. ClickToFlash is able to display ~99.9% of the videos I watch, your mileage may vary in that regard. 99.9% + extra credit for blocking ads seems like a winner to me.
I know the Apple vs Flash "struggle" seems more newsworthy, but I think one would be REMISS by not mentioning that Apple has been stung in the past for not keeping up with Adobe Flash security updates when including it in its releases.
This was June of this year:
https://www.macrumors.com/2010/06/17/adobe-mac-os-x-10-6-4-carries-outdated-flash-player/
With Flash security issues cropping up at any time, this was the original reason Apple stopped updating Flash support in Quicktime. By not including Flash in the default install for MacBook Air, Apple is not making itself responsible for issues related to Adobe and its software.
Yes, its convenient to have it preinstalled, but its not unreasonable for Apple to avoid "problems" by having the user go directly to the vendor. I'm pretty sure Apple has enough balls to juggle right now without retesting for a zero-day vulnerability a week before releasing a critical new product.
~ CB
This was June of this year:
https://www.macrumors.com/2010/06/17/adobe-mac-os-x-10-6-4-carries-outdated-flash-player/
With Flash security issues cropping up at any time, this was the original reason Apple stopped updating Flash support in Quicktime. By not including Flash in the default install for MacBook Air, Apple is not making itself responsible for issues related to Adobe and its software.
Yes, its convenient to have it preinstalled, but its not unreasonable for Apple to avoid "problems" by having the user go directly to the vendor. I'm pretty sure Apple has enough balls to juggle right now without retesting for a zero-day vulnerability a week before releasing a critical new product.
~ CB
Or they just don't install it....
That is the other option you don't consider in your post. People just don't bother to go and install it. And as they may know nothing of the Abode and Apple disagreements, I guess they just figure they don't need it.
And that begs the question, do they? I know if I can't play the games on the breakfast cereal sites I'm a little let down. But it passes.
That is the other option you don't consider in your post. People just don't bother to go and install it. And as they may know nothing of the Abode and Apple disagreements, I guess they just figure they don't need it.
And that begs the question, do they? I know if I can't play the games on the breakfast cereal sites I'm a little let down. But it passes.
Good point
I had forgotten about that little storm. I would guess this may have more to do with that than anything else.
I had forgotten about that little storm. I would guess this may have more to do with that than anything else.
Even the most basic end users know how to install Flash. It's not like something really important/crucial to the OS. I think Flash doesn't run well, therefore Apple doesn't ship it on weaker machines such as the MBA. It doesn't run well on anything.
Whatever any political motivations behind Flash's omission, this is a wise security decision, given Flash as a common vector for attack on the web.
If I remember correctly, by the time Snow Leopard had shipped, Adobe had released a patch for a vulnerability, meaning Snow Leopard was shipping with a known Flash exploit, and users weren't even aware Flash was installed, so couldn't know to update it.
This is a wise decision.
If I remember correctly, by the time Snow Leopard had shipped, Adobe had released a patch for a vulnerability, meaning Snow Leopard was shipping with a known Flash exploit, and users weren't even aware Flash was installed, so couldn't know to update it.
This is a wise decision.
Will all adobe has to do is make a flash more kinder to apple ios, but adobe didn't want too and there crying foul because Apple said no to flash on the iphone and mac
And remember last year, when Apple shipping Snow Leopard, it DOWNGRADED the version of Flash installed on people's computers, and a security firm derided them for it. I don't think they WIN for micromanaging other vendor's security problems. Java is MORE of a core web browsing asset and Windows doesn't ship with it anymore last time I checked, and Apple is already being forced (almost same day) to release security updates for it.
http://www.macnn.com/articles/10/10/20/air.update.comes.on.launch.of.new.hardware/
~ CB
How Apple dares to ship MacBook Air without RayV and Veetle. How dare thay.
This shows that Apple doesn't care about its users' experience as much as it hates Adobe. It is really counterintuitive and childish to take such positions as this. Apple can hate Adobe, but it needs to respect its users and the unbelievable saturation Flash has on the Internet.
I would respect Apple more if it would stop the nonsense and get to business. Don't like Adobe, then beat them in the business. I always say give me the very best the competition has to give, and that's what I want to beat. Apple would look better if it took this stance with Adobe. SAD move on Apple's behalf.
I would respect Apple more if it would stop the nonsense and get to business. Don't like Adobe, then beat them in the business. I always say give me the very best the competition has to give, and that's what I want to beat. Apple would look better if it took this stance with Adobe. SAD move on Apple's behalf.
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A bit off topic but does anyone else have problems with flash videos on the BBC sport website. On my iMac it they take forever to play and slows down my entire machine. I'm running the latest version of flash and have 10.6. YouTube etc are fine???
A bit off topic but does anyone else have problems with flash videos on the BBC sport website. On my iMac it they take forever to play and slows down my entire machine. I'm running the latest version of flash and have 10.6. YouTube etc are fine???
WTH??? All the "Flash" or "Adobe" fans, what're u guys talking about?
Can't u just download it from Adobe??
I reckon is fair, if you want it, just download
Can't u just download it from Adobe??
I reckon is fair, if you want it, just download