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New MacBook Air Doesn't Ship with Adobe Flash

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I can't believe you aren't allowed to install Adobe Flash on the new MacBook Air! This is going to annoy a lot of stupid people out there. 😉
 
MorphingDragon said:
Every facebook user ever.
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Yep farmville is a PITA to play without it lol.

Cydonia said:
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I can't believe you aren't allowed to install Adobe Flash on the new MacBook Air! This is going to annoy a lot of stupid people out there. 😉
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It just doesn't give you the option to click install from the site that needs it. you can however go to adobe's site and get it that way.
 
Pretty stupid, having to go downloading Flash on your own, without any link or anything to help. If Flash is so bad, then why doesn't Apple also remove Java from their machines? Java is 10 times worse than Flash, it's slower, buggy and crashes way more often. So why isn't there a problem with Java then?
 
Getting silly...

OK now this is getting silly. I understand Apple's reasoning behind not including it on mobile devices like the iPhone, iPod and iPad, but this is a laptop. C'mon Apple you're taking this Flash thing too far. And if you are really trying to push HTML5, what you need to do is create an HTML5 authoring tool like Adobe has with Flash. That will give the platform the credibility it needs. Right now there is easy no solution for creating HTML5 dynamic content websites hence developers still authoring websites with Flash.
 
baryon said:
Pretty stupid, having to go downloading Flash on your own, without any link or anything to help. If Flash is so bad, then why doesn't Apple also remove Java from their machines? Java is 10 times worse than Flash, it's slower, buggy and crashes way more often. So why isn't there a problem with Java then?
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Thats easy, because Apple builds its own Java and doesn't let the real developers that make java do it.
 
Pfft, just let the users decide, if flash were really that bad, people will naturally stop using flash. Feels really childish pulling these kind of stunts.
 
seanonymous said:
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One more reason to download Chrome.
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Ahah! Why? Just download Flash crap installer and you're ready to overheat your cpu.
 
It's probably a security thing. As previous posters have said, SL came with an older version of Flash than Adobe's shipping one. By removing Flash from the shipping OS, they are also preventing themselves from shipping a version that could be exploited (As anyone in software development knows, it takes time for the GM build to go to manufacturing, then be shipped and sold).

I think Apple is doing users a favour indirectly by doing this. Users get the latest version of Flash, Adobe can't bitch and moan about Apple shipping old versions, and the machines are more secure as a result.
 
Liking this development, the sooner Flash dies the better. Two major things has stood in the way of the adoption of the open standards of the web (the CSS2 documentation was completed in 1998 for crying out loud):
1. Internet Explorers dominance along with its constant failure to adhere to the standards
2. The proprietary Flash mess
 
Gen said:
Meh, I didn't notice a speed difference - and I've it used for like a week, so I switched back to Safari.
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I noticed a difference. Chrome sucks. I hated it. My least favorite web browser i've used.. and i've used quite a few. Safari, Camino, Firefox, Opera, Chrome. I'd say i like them in that order, actually. But as far as this story.. good. If even a few users don't go download Flash, it's working in Apple's favor. Kill it, Apple, kill it!!!


iSamurai said:
oh.... self censorship.... that just doesn't mean they'll stop people from using flash....
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No need. Flash being so horrible stops people from using it. ClickToFlash FTW!
 
Good move ... saves me from installing flash blocker 🙂

I installed flash block a while ago and I never had the need to enable any flash - it makes for a better web experience for me, no annoying ads jumping in my face (well, at least less) and more stable browser experience.

I understand that there are people who for whatever reason can't do without flash - but guess what: those have the still the option to install it - there is no reason to force feed it to everyone.
 
baryon said:
Pretty stupid, having to go downloading Flash on your own, without any link or anything to help. If Flash is so bad, then why doesn't Apple also remove Java from their machines? Java is 10 times worse than Flash, it's slower, buggy and crashes way more often. So why isn't there a problem with Java then?
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Doesn't the Java runtime work for both applications and in the browser though? They couldn't take java out if they wanted to as a lot of desktop apps use it to some degree.. Java has its place, as does flash..

And Minecraft is made in Java so it can't be THAT bad. 😀
 
archurban said:
here is what I want to say.

'screw you Apple'. there are still lots of websites using flash. if you continue to ignore, you will fail. dumb ****ing apple, and steve.

even though you don't have when you will get new one, just install damn flash. you still need it a lot. I don't use safari anymore. actually, there is no safari on my mac. chrome is thumbs all the way up. nothing can beat chrome.
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Wow. How articulate. Intellectual giant, you are.
 
This article pretty much means nothing. Really. I've bought a few PCs, and even installed some Windows operating systems where the first thing you see when you go to the first Flash-using Website is a placeholder asking you to download the latest version of Flash.

It's almost pointless to include Flash directly in your distribution, really. With the constant updates, it pretty much is going to prompt you anyway. Of course, this is where Flash kind of bites it. They have to keep all devices updated so that you can use it. While PCs and Macs tend to at least keep up with using the latest flash, all other systems usually get the shaft. If you use a PS3, Wii, some phones, etc. They get updated browsers once every blue moon. So what ends up happening, is that while they tote flash in their browsers, good luck getting like 80% of them to work. Whoops! We're all using Flash 11 now, didn't you know? What? You're still on flash 8? Sorry neanderthal, your system wont play it.
 
Regardless of whether Flash is any good or not, when you consider Adobe supporting the Mac platform was probably the only thing keeping the Mac alive for a number of years, it illustrates that Steve Jobs really must be a **** of the first order.
 
Denarius said:
Regardless of whether Flash is any good or not, when you consider Adobe supporting the Mac platform was probably the only thing keeping the Mac alive for a number of years, it illustrates that Steve Jobs really must be a **** of the first order.
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Thats not important to jobs. He was having a go at NeXT while Apple was stuffing about and tanking, so the relationship just isn't there. That and Apple no longer needs Adobe to stay alive as a business.
 
But why include it anyway, when Flash updates a lot faster than the hardware distribution updates? It's akin to selling a toaster with bread with it, when the bread was made before the toaster. By the time you buy it, you're just going to have to get a new loaf of bread anyway.
 
foiden said:
This article pretty much means nothing. Really. I've bought a few PCs, and even installed some Windows operating systems where the first thing you see when you go to the first Flash-using Website is a placeholder asking you to download the latest version of Flash.

It's almost pointless to include Flash directly in your distribution, really. With the constant updates, it pretty much is going to prompt you anyway. Of course, this is where Flash kind of bites it. They have to keep all devices updated so that you can use it. While PCs and Macs tend to at least keep up with using the latest flash, all other systems usually get the shaft. If you use a PS3, Wii, some phones, etc. They get updated browsers once every blue moon. So what ends up happening, is that while they tote flash in their browsers, good luck getting like 80% of them to work. Whoops! We're all using Flash 11 now, didn't you know? What? You're still on flash 8? Sorry neanderthal, your system wont play it.
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The article says that Safari won't have that place holder, so when people who are not computer savvy go to the 1st flash website, they're just going to be lost, seeing a box that just says no plugin, with no option to download.
 
Denarius said:
Regardless of whether Flash is any good or not, when you consider Adobe supporting the Mac platform was probably the only thing keeping the Mac alive for a number of years, it illustrates that Steve Jobs really must be a **** of the first order.
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I agree with you 100 percent, I just can't make out the ****. But yeah, before I got my Mac I thought he was a nice guy, but now I totally don't get that vibe at all.
 
inlovewithi said:
The article says that Safari won't have that place holder, so when people who are not computer savvy go to the 1st flash website, they're just going to be lost, seeing a box that just says no plugin, with no option to download.
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Holy ****, there must be some bad coders here.

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<param name="movie" value="Create-A-Bandana.swf" />
<param name="quality" value="high" />
<param name="wmode" value="opaque" />
<param name="swfversion" value="6.0.65.0" />
<!-- This param tag prompts users with Flash Player 6.0 r65 and higher to download the latest version of Flash Player. Delete it if you don’t want users to see the prompt. -->
<param name="expressinstall" value="Scripts/expressInstall.swf" />
<!-- Next object tag is for non-IE browsers. So hide it from IE using IECC. -->
<!--[if !IE]>-->
<object type="application/x-shockwave-flash" data="Create-A-Bandana.swf" width="650" height="500">
<!--<![endif]-->
<param name="quality" value="high" />
<param name="wmode" value="opaque" />
<param name="swfversion" value="6.0.65.0" />
<param name="expressinstall" value="Scripts/expressInstall.swf" />
<!-- The browser displays the following alternative content for users with Flash Player 6.0 and older. -->
<div>
<h4>Content on this page requires a newer version of Adobe Flash Player.</h4>
<p><a href="http://www.adobe.com/go/getflashplayer"><img src="http://www.adobe.com/images/shared/download_buttons/get_flash_player.gif" alt="Get Adobe Flash player" width="112" height="33" /></a></p>
</div>
<!--[if !IE]>-->
</object>
<!--<![endif]-->
</object>
 
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