Amen to that. How could the browser NOT show the prompt? If the flash coders are doing anything right, the aspect of showing the page that they can download the next version of flash should be in plain HTML. Nothing fancy about that. And nothing Safari would strip out lest they be in violation of handling HTML.
Got a tip for us?
Let us know
Become a MacRumors Supporter for $50/year with no ads, ability to filter front page stories, and private forums.
New MacBook Air Doesn't Ship with Adobe Flash
- Thread starter MacRumors
- Start date
- Sort by reaction score
How petty of Apple. So now we can understand why he was banging on about his super battery life. Users of Facebook etc that use Flash and a load of other stuff will not see the 7 hrs battery life because its quite obvious that Apple have been lying about real worlds stats. They havent been using Flash when testing. Very cunning and sneaky of you Steve.
As much as the new MBA is a feat of engineering I just dont get it. I mean whats the point of it. Whats the point in having such a low specced machine with its yesteryears C2D, nvidia graphics SSD memory and yet it will only serve to run iWork at the most. How can Steve seriously say this is the future of notebooks?
Right..............Im off to get one!
As much as the new MBA is a feat of engineering I just dont get it. I mean whats the point of it. Whats the point in having such a low specced machine with its yesteryears C2D, nvidia graphics SSD memory and yet it will only serve to run iWork at the most. How can Steve seriously say this is the future of notebooks?
Right..............Im off to get one!
Wirelessly posted (Mozilla/5.0 (iPhone; U; CPU iPhone OS 4_1 like Mac OS X; en-us) AppleWebKit/532.9 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/4.0.5 Mobile/8B117 Safari/6531.22.7)
I can't believe you aren't allowed to install Adobe Flash on the new MacBook Air! This is going to annoy a lot of stupid people out there.
You are allowed to install it its just that you will have to go to the Adobe site to get it. There is no longer the option to install it from the browser prompt.
I agree.
I really don't know what's worse, his recent actions, or the Apple apologist on this site that would follow him to their grave.
As if I needed another reason not to use Safari. It's cool anyhow, the only thing Safari will be used for on my new Air will be to install Chrome.
Thed rama. Gre At.
You must be new to the Mac and the English language. I prefer 'gray' btw.
As soon as I saw this headline I thought "It's gotta be the battery"... while the criticism of Flash is certainly in it, the most logical assumption is that it cut the battery life down to 2 hours.
Chrome doesn't have to do that -- it has the Flash player integrated and updates it automatically.
Nice try.
Back to the topic:
Apple is under no obligations to ship OS X with 3rd party applications or plugins of any kind. As far as i remeber from my Windows days Windows 2000 and Windows XP didn't ship with Flash either. Linux (OpenSUSE and Ubuntu) do not ship with Flash too. WHAT'S THE PROBLEM? How only Apple gets this whining crowd? Need it? Go and istall it. I don't.
I don't know what machines he has been looking at because the majority of machines ship with Flash by default; pick up any big name laptop or desktop computer and you'll find along side the crapware there is Adobe Acrobat and Flash installed by default be it Adobe paying those vendors directly for it.
For me it is no biggy that they're no longer including it by default - if it means that one day we move to a Flash free day I will be very happy. Apple is working on hardware acceleration with their latest Webkit tag (534.10) so I'd expect that by the time Lion is released we'll be viewing a hardware accelerated Webkit2 browser that pretty much undermines any need for Flash. Add to that Flash tools can export Flash projects to HTML5 with a couple of clicks even Adobe is facing that reality these days as well.
Not to mention all of Nike's websites are in flash. The non flash versions are extremely painful to use... dont hear any complaints tho, guess there's a lotta couch potatoes on this board lol
Apart from this news being pretty pointless there's so much mis-information in these comments.
Firstly Flash isn't banned from the AIR like iOS devices. It's just not included with Apple's default build.
Downloading Chrome isn't the answer you'll still need the Flash plugin, which will also get flash running in Safari as well.
HTML has a tried an tested way of detecting if a plugin is installed and offering help if a plugin is needed.
HTML5 is not a replacement for Flash. There's overlap, flash is used where perhaps JS could be a better option but they're not the same and aren't intended to be. Want to protect streamed content? Want to interact with a users mic or image device?
The omission of Flash might be a hissy fit move by Apple but I'm guessing it has more to do with ease of system builds. One less thing they need to keep up to date in their default build is one less thing they have to spend money updating and once less potential security venerability that will affect their brand.
And to the mac consultant worried about having to install flash for his clients. What on earth do you charge for when setting up your clients systems.
Rant over.
Firstly Flash isn't banned from the AIR like iOS devices. It's just not included with Apple's default build.
Downloading Chrome isn't the answer you'll still need the Flash plugin, which will also get flash running in Safari as well.
HTML has a tried an tested way of detecting if a plugin is installed and offering help if a plugin is needed.
HTML5 is not a replacement for Flash. There's overlap, flash is used where perhaps JS could be a better option but they're not the same and aren't intended to be. Want to protect streamed content? Want to interact with a users mic or image device?
The omission of Flash might be a hissy fit move by Apple but I'm guessing it has more to do with ease of system builds. One less thing they need to keep up to date in their default build is one less thing they have to spend money updating and once less potential security venerability that will affect their brand.
And to the mac consultant worried about having to install flash for his clients. What on earth do you charge for when setting up your clients systems.
Rant over.
Not it won't. Just having files on the hard drive does not use up the battery. My Macbook still gets a good 5 hours of web browsing time, with Flash enabled. Just don't surf or load Flash content if you need to preserve battery power. FlashBlock and NoScript does wonder for selective Flash loading.
Seriously, people thinking HTML5 video and Canvas apps won't drain the battery like there's no tomorrow are living in an imaginary world.
The fact is, doing anything intensive on the graphics side is a battery drain. If you want a computer with a 20 hour battery, just remove the GUI and run the GNU userspace on top of Darwin. Command line mode will be very efficient.You're wrong. Chrome now integrates Flash in the browser directly instead of as a plugin. Hence downloading Chrome is the answer :
http://techcrunch.com/2010/03/30/fl...h-google-chrome-new-browser-plugin-api-coming
This is it. I don't want to depend on Apple for Flash updates. It's bad enough having to depend on them for J2SE.
Apple wants to kill Java as Obj-C is the fastest growing language at the moment.
iPhone, iPod, AppleTV and Mac OSX -> AppStore -> Obj-C - > Apple.
iPhone, iPod, AppleTV and Mac OSX -> AppStore -> Obj-C - > Apple.
Shouldn't Macs just work out of the box? Installing Flash is an extra step before you can fully use your web browser on the Mac. Seriously, Apple's behaviour towards Flash is becoming really annoying. So far, HTML 5 did not replace Flash yet, and won't in the near future.
What does this have to do with anything ? Flash is not Java based at all. You're mixed up and your comment was wasted here.
If Flash is not installed, then the browser SHOULD put a quick link to install it in my opinion. However, a decent Website should be able to detect whether or not the user has Flash installed, and if it isn't, they should also put a quick link up.
Either, this isn't a big deal. Just another step to the demise of Flash as the standard video player.
Either, this isn't a big deal. Just another step to the demise of Flash as the standard video player.