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1 - the keyboard will definitely loosen up over time.

2 - if you take good care of it, and keep your hands clean, the macbook will be spotless. We have a macbook at home that's from around august or maybe earlier I don't remember and it's spotless even though it's heavily used. The ones in the store are always kinda gross because hundreds and hundreds of people (many of which will have dirty hands) touch them!
 
Thats a much more contained issue. It happened only on the older models, and it was rare at that. If you can find evidence of it happening on the new models, i will stand corrected. :)

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/395440/

See the post with pictures. If that guy had his for less than half a year, it would be the latest revision Macbook Pro. Other users in that thread speak of having Rev. D. MBPs start falling apart in similar manners after less than six months of use. You posted yourself in that thread on how fragile the alu MBPs had become. :D

I'VE SAID IT BEFORE, AND ILL SAY IT AGAIN. THE TIBOOK WAS THE BEST LAPTOP DESIGN APPLE EVER PRODUCED.

I have owned one, my friend owned one. 3 years of use, dropped 3 times, the thing will not break. It doesn't bend, warp, or any of that. The only issue was the paint would chip but I don't care about that, I just look at it like a used race car. They look scratched up, but underneath it's top notch. I really wish Apple would introduce a completely new case and material. The aluminum case apple is using today, is really soft/thin. They need a harder, more durable material that's not brittle! It's common ***** sense. Why do companies always take a great thing and ruin it. Human nature i suppose. :rolleyes:
 
Dude I already explained that. Read above. It's the plastic/rubber piece on the screen bezel that with the constant opening and closing, causes a chip to break off just below the keyboard.

Here is a pic http://www.flickr.com/photos/fuzheado/317422314/

Google it for crying out loud.

Dude, chill. You usually get this worked up talking about something somebody else already talked about?

Since it's a sore subject for you, can you redirect me to a page that discusses if it's avoidable by closing it more gently, or if it's the actual pressure of it sitting in that position that does it?
 
Dude, chill. You usually get this worked up talking about something somebody else already talked about?

Since it's a sore subject for you, can you redirect me to a page that discusses if it's avoidable by closing it more gently, or if it's the actual pressure of it sitting in that position that does it?

No it's me having to explain something to you that I JUST EXPLAINED. It's not the issue itself that bothers me.
 
Dude, chill. You usually get this worked up talking about something somebody else already talked about?

Since it's a sore subject for you, can you redirect me to a page that discusses if it's avoidable by closing it more gently, or if it's the actual pressure of it sitting in that position that does it?

The design is faulty. It's a known defect that, for whatever reason, people continue to try to pin on user error (like the Magsafes that short circuit and spontaneously combust). Apple knows it's a problem, but they don't care enough to fix it. It's a shame, but it's the risk you run if you buy a Macbook. I've got one, and I know it's only a matter of time before mine cracks.
 
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/395440/

See the post with pictures. If that guy had his for less than half a year, it would be the latest revision Macbook Pro. Other users in that thread speak of having Rev. D. MBPs start falling apart in similar manners after less than six months of use. You posted yourself in that thread on how fragile the alu MBPs had become. :D

That has nothing to do with heat. Notice it's above the disk drive. People are always saying how rarely we use our disk drives, correct? Then would it make sense that excessive heat caused that? NO. Do you know what the melting temperature is for aluminum? 660.37 °C.

Your telling me a disk drive did that? I don't think so bud.
 
That has nothing to do with heat. Notice it's above the disk drive. People are always saying how rarely we use our disk drives, correct? Then would it make sense that excessive heat caused that? NO. Do you know what the melting temperature is for aluminum? 660.37 °C.

Your telling me a disk drive did that? I don't think so bud.

The Macbook Pro has heat problems that lead to warping. A month ago, you were quite eager to dismiss the MBPs aluminum as an excercise in fragility. Something seems to have turned you completely in the opposite direction. I don't know what it is, but it doesn't change the facts that the MBP has, and continues to have, serious issues concerning durability due to its aluminum shell. If the disk drive's caving in wasn't due to heat warping, then it was due to another flaw in design. In either case, the shells still warp, and prospective buyers would do to keep this in mind.
 
My MBP hasn't shown any signs of warping or issues. However, I don't really transfer mine around. My friend however has the same revision and he takes his everywhere, no signs of warping or dents/warping.

For the Macbook a guy at work abused his and it showed no cracking.

Again, I think its a hit or miss issue. And I am sure if you do have cracks that you can contact Apple and have them tend to your issue.
 
The Macbook Pro has heat problems that lead to warping. A month ago, you were quite eager to dismiss the MBPs aluminum as an excercise in fragility. Something seems to have turned you completely in the opposite direction. I don't know what it is, but it doesn't change the facts that the MBP has, and continues to have, serious issues concerning durability due to its aluminum shell. If the disk drive's caving in wasn't due to heat warping, then it was due to another flaw in design. In either case, the shells still warp, and prospective buyers would do to keep this in mind.

I think you are misunderstanding my standpoint in this issue. So I'll clear it up. I do think the MBP's are frail and somewhat fragile. They are prone to denting and excessive heat. BUT, I do not think that the damage shown in THE PICTURE you included a link for, had anything to do with heat. Get it?
 
I think you are misunderstanding my standpoint in this issue. So I'll clear it up. I do think the MBP's are frail and somewhat fragile. They are prone to denting and excessive heat. BUT, I do not think that the heat shown in THE PICTURE you included a link for, had anything to do with heat. Get it?

Sure, I get that. I'm also saying the shells are fragile. Do you get that?
 
Either that guy has heavy wrists or someone stepped on it, it seems. Even my 12" Rev A. Powerbook G4 has warped that much. And that laptop is hot to the touch.
 
Then don't buy one and stop your damn complaining there's nothing wrong with it if you take care of it it's fine.

Ya there is nothing wrong with it, if you take care of it? That's why almost EVERY SINGLE complaint about the cracking comes from users that "have never dropped or mis treated" their macbooks.

But certainly, don't believe me. I encourage you to look it up for yourself, and do your own research.
 
Either way, whether its a crack or warp, Apple will resolve. You just have to complain to the right people and justify your repair.
 
Sure, I get that. I'm also saying the shells are fragile. Do you get that?

Ya i get that and agree with you. You seem to be trying to place me in either Pro MBP or Con MBP and thats the problem and where the confusion lies. I'm not pro or con macbook pro, I'm interested in the facts known about the hardware, and reasonable conclusions to the issues they have. That's all. Will I buy a MBP? I'm hoping to. :)

Do I think they are a bit poorly designed and frail? Yes, and I'll still buy one. Because it's the better of two evils in my opinion. And the benefits of owning one outweigh the chances for defects.
 
Ya there is nothing wrong with it, if you take care of it? That's why almost EVERY SINGLE complaint about the cracking comes from users that "have never dropped or mis treated" their macbooks.

But certainly, don't believe me. I encourage you to look it up for yourself, and do your own research.

Yeah that's what they say but "take care of" means something different to everyone.
 
To me, "Taking Care Of" means playing Frisbee with my macs. They fly almost as well as Dell and IBMs.
 
The MagSafe is still faulty? I tend to pull it out straight so to prevent any of those short circuit or whatever it's called. I don't know if that helps.

Maybe I should buy Apple Care...

dL
 
The MagSafe is still faulty? I tend to pull it out straight so to prevent any of those short circuit or whatever it's called. I don't know if that helps.

Maybe I should buy Apple Care...

dL

They haven't redesigned the ones shipping with the MB/Ps, so yes, it's still faulty. However you pull it doesn't matter; the issue is the faulty wiring where the plug connects to the computer. The Magsafes for the MBA appear redesigned, but the ones with the MB/Ps are still ticking time bombs.
 
The MagSafe is still faulty? I tend to pull it out straight so to prevent any of those short circuit or whatever it's called. I don't know if that helps.

Maybe I should buy Apple Care...

dL

If you get Apple care make sure you check out ebay for cheaper prices.

Isn't the magsafe covered under Applecare? Just not the battery.
 
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