New MacBook Pro and 13-Inch 'MacBook' Coming Next Week, iMac and Display Not Ready Yet

[brentsg]

The really ****** part is that we have no idea whether Apple is going to ignore Kaby Lake when it becomes available just like they did with Skylake. Might be another 12 months or more before we see Kaby Lake in a MBP.

Again, if you can't see the frustration in that... that's a YOU problem.

Show us all these computers using the Iris Pro Skylake parts for the past 6 months, aside from Intel's own NUC.

Edit: You also referenced Apple using early-ish Skylake in the 27" iMac as proof they were not worried about deploying early. Think about it.. They put it into the iMac models with onboard discreet GPU's. They were utilized in a scenario where launch Skylake's battery drain and iGPU errata wouldn't negatively affect customer experience. Again, I owned an early Skylake mobile device. It wouldn't sleep properly, plowed through battery like nobody's business, and the display driver crashed every few minutes. It was a mess, but one that wouldn't rear its ugly head in a desktop environment with an AMD GPU.

 

[nikoli1978]

MacBook Pro users want to have a discreet GPU. Iris Pro is a sucky waste of CPU die. (assuming that's what you refer to)

That's not necessarily true. I am an audio professional who uses Apple Logic. I have no desire for discrete graphics in my MBP.
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Show us all these computers using the Iris Pro Skylake parts for the past 6 months, aside from Intel's own NUC.

What does that matter? Have the chips been available for 6 months or not? Did Apple include Skylake in the iMac line a year ago or not?

I find it pretty telling as to the state of Apple that we have a fanboy here making excuses why Apple isn't among the first to introduce new hardware. I mean, if Dell didn't do it why would we expect Apple to do it? Just listen to yourself!

 

[Feenician]

That's not necessarily true. I am an audio professional who uses Apple Logic. I have no desire for discrete graphics in my MBP.
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What does that matter? Have the chips been available for 6 months or not? Did Apple include Skylake in the iMac line a year ago or not?

I find it pretty telling as to the state of Apple that we have a fanboy here making excuses why Apple isn't among the first to introduce new hardware. I mean, if Dell didn't do it why would we expect Apple to do it? Just listen to yourself!

Neither of them did it because the processor SKU wasn't paper launched until June, actually shipped in volume until later and then has to, you know, be tested to not Samsung the place up. Razer only just released a machine and before that only Intel were able to ship this Intel chip. What does that tell you? Apple will be among the first to ship it so what is your point here?

As for the "Did Apple include Skylake in the iMac line a year ago or not?". The chip that goes in the iMac is different SKU launched at a different time. Get a grip.

 

[nikoli1978]

There won't be 28w/45w Kaby Lake chips suitable for the MacBook Pro's until Q1 2017. That means Apple will probably refresh the MacBooks around late Q2 2017.

I'd say that's being overly optimistic given how long we've had to wait to get Skylake in all their other machines.
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Neither of them did it because the processor SKU wasn't paper launched until June, actually shipped in volume until later and then has to, you know, be tested to not Samsung the place up. Razer only just released a machine and before that only Intel were able to ship this Intel chip. What does that tell you? Apple will be among the first to ship it so what is your point here?

As for the "Did Apple include Skylake in the iMac line a year ago or not?". The chip that goes in the iMac is different SKU launched at a different time. Get a grip.

Well well well... now look who's not reading the thread before commenting.

"I think it's pretty obvious if you've #readthethread that I only referenced the iMac having Skylake for a year means Apple is perfectly comfortable putting (gasp) brand NEW chips in their machines."

Follow your own advice.

Read. The. Thread.

 

[Feenician]

I'd say that's being overly optimistic given how long we've had to wait to get Skylake in all their other machines.
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Well well well... now look who's not reading the thread before commenting.

"I think it's pretty obvious if you've #readthethread that I only referenced the iMac having Skylake for a year means Apple is perfectly comfortable putting (gasp) brand NEW chips in their machines."

Follow your own advice.

Read. The. Thread.

And what makes you thing the Skylake in the iMac was "brand new" when it was released? Care to give a source for this?
[doublepost=1477516164][/doublepost]Noticing a distinct lack of whining about Skylake machines launching 2017 in the Surface Book thread. Rather different tone from here

https://www.microsoftstore.com/stor...459594)(TnL5HPStwNw-mJ9wPS_vdwPLlYz9deXlmw)()

 

[nikoli1978]

Edit: You also referenced Apple using early-ish Skylake in the 27" iMac as proof they were not worried about deploying early. Think about it.. They put it into the iMac models with onboard discreet GPU's. They were utilized in a scenario where launch Skylake's battery drain and iGPU errata wouldn't negatively affect customer experience. Again, I owned an early Skylake mobile device. It wouldn't sleep properly, plowed through battery like nobody's business, and the display driver crashed every few minutes. It was a mess, but one that wouldn't rear its ugly head in a desktop environment with an AMD GPU.

Uh... that was 6 months prior to the mobile chips that were available to Apple to put into their MBPs.

There's no evidence that there were bug related issues with the mobile chips when they were made available 6 months ago. Your anecdotal evidence notwithstanding.

So far all I'm reading are excuses that Dell didn't do it so why should we expect Apple to do it. It's hogwash.
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And what makes you thing the Skylake in the iMac was "brand new" when it was released? Care to give a source for this?

Are you trying to suggest Skylake wasn't new a year ago?

Oof.

Should I provide a link that the sky is blue too?

 

[Feenician]

Uh... that was 6 months prior to the mobile chips that were available to Apple to put into their MBPs.

There's no evidence that there were bug related issues with the mobile chips when they were made available 6 months ago. Your anecdotal evidence notwithstanding.

So far all I'm reading are excuses that Dell didn't do it so why should we expect Apple to do it. It's hogwash.
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Are you trying to suggest Skylake wasn't new a year ago?

Oof.

Should I provide a link that the sky is blue too?

No. I'm suggesting the LATE 2015 iMac was released months after Skylake. Get a clue.

 

[nikoli1978]

No. I'm suggesting the LATE 2015 iMac was released months after Skylake. Get a clue.

Oh... "months" ... doh'k, that's a great point you've made there. Clearly you've proven my theory that Apple has recently released an iMac with a brand new processor is off base and wrong.

Intel 6700k release 8/15
Apple introduces in iMac 10/15

Feenician whispers "two"
Feenician yells "MONTHS!!!"

 

[Feenician]

Oh... "months" ... doh'k, that's a great point you've made there. Clearly you've proven my theory that Apple has recently released an iMac with a brand new processor is off base and wrong.

Intel 6700k release 8/15
Apple introduces in iMac 10/15

Feenician whispers "two"
Feenician yells "MONTHS!!!"

Nikoli1978 says "I don't understand the meaning of the word months"

 

[nikoli1978]

Nikoli1978 says "I don't understand the meaning of the word months"

That doesn't even make sense... unless you think waiting two months to release the SL iMac was a long time. Lulz, is that the brand is crazy you're trying to sell here? If that's the case then why are you trying to justify the six month wait for the MBP line?

I think you should probably just concede that the frustration some of us have is justified and that Apple bears some of that responsibility.

 

[Feenician]

That doesn't even make sense... unless you think waiting two months to release the SL iMac was a long time. Lulz, is that the brand is crazy you're trying to sell here? If that's the case then why are you trying to justify the six month wait for the MBP line?

I think you should probably just concede that the frustration some of us have is justified and that Apple bears some of that responsibility.

I don't think it's a long time at all. You were asked earlier in the thread and avoided it. If Apple have taken such a long time to incorporate this skylake SKU where are all the other machines from the "fast" vendors? Intel (who have a slight advantage there) and Razer are all that's out. Do you think there might be a reason for that?

 

[nikoli1978]

I don't think it's a long time at all. You were asked earlier in the thread and avoided it. If Apple have taken such a long time to incorporate this skylake SKU where are all the other machines from the "fast" vendors? Intel (who have a slight advantage there) and Razer are all that's out. Do you think there might be a reason for that?

I answered that.

Read. The. Thread.

 

[groove-agent]

Isn't is sad Microsoft is catering the creative professional more so than Apple?

Cool idea and innovative. I'm not a MS fan myself, but I applaud what they're trying to do. The is where Apple needs to be - making "game changing" hardware and software.

 

[ErikGrim]

Could that video be more of a ripoff of Apple product videos? Right down to the coloured smoke of the Hello Again invite.

Cool product though, I'll give them that. Shame about the Windows.

 

[carestudio]

Treat or Trick... Mad or Macs
Hopefully to see something really interesting....

 

[grifftaur]

Got to work from home today! I'm feeling good about today

 

[carestudio]

I actually like Surface 7 too, looks very appealing, especially they announced it ahead of Apple and steal Apple's thunder... not thunderbolt 3, but thunder

 

[nikoli1978]

Isn't is sad Microsoft is catering the creative professional more so than Apple?

I don't know if I'd go that far. As an audio professional it appears that Apple's dedication to their creative software is leaps and bounds above Microsoft's. It's not even close. Garage Band and iMovie for free is already better than anything Microsoft offers. Apple Logic at $200 and Apple Final Cut Pro at $300 are absolute steals relative to most any 3rd party competition. I don't see Microsoft ever catching up with Apple here.

And Apple's support of Thunderbolt has been a godsend for audio pros, and I'd imagine for a lot of other creative pros. I would also point to Apple's general ease of integration for audio-interface hardware manufacturers, and also 3rd party software plugin developers.

 

[Donoban]

I actually like Surface 7 too, looks very appealing, especially they announced it ahead of Apple and steal Apple's thunder... not thunderbolt 3, but thunder

Have you used one before? As a tablet I think they're shiet, too heavy and windows ain't great without a keyboard and mouse.

As a laptop they're ok, and this is the devices strength.

2 in 1 category... ill wait for the 3 in 1 category thank you very much.

 

[Easttime]

So basically, you don't want to understand other peoples' needs and requirements but you're asking them to understand yours ? FWIW, I also own a 2014 MacMini refurb and am generally happy with it, albeit, I've regretted selling my quad-i7 2012 MacMini. The reason for the teeth gnashing is multifold, but do you not get the general trend that Apple has pivoted away from focusing on computers and focusing only on the iPhone ? As a result, many of us that have been Apple loyalists since long before you joined in 2011, are justifiable pissed at the direction their computer division has taken in recent years.

I came back here the day after "hello again" to eat my words. I honestly thought that today I would be buying a new mid-range MacBook Pro 13", but I am in serious pause mode. I can't believe that I am seriously thinking about going back to Windows. My needs are not as high end as many here, but an iPad is way insufficient and switching back to Windows would be costly. My teeth are now gnashing.

UPDATE: Well, I ended up buying a 13" MBP TB. It is a luxury machine that fully suits my needs. But at these prices I won't be able to stay in the Apple ecosystem after retirement. Hopefully I'll get 5 years out of this unrepairable, unupgradable beauty.

 

[tentales]

I came back here the day after "hello again" to eat my words. I honestly thought that today I would be buying a new mid-range MacBook Pro 13", but I am in serious pause mode. I can't believe that I am seriously thinking about going back to Windows. My needs are not as high end as many here, but an iPad is way insufficient and switching back to Windows would be costly. My teeth are now gnashing.

It's big of you to admit that. Many of us have gone thru this gut wrenching feeling of betrayal by a company we've felt so passionately about only to be left behind and facing no good choices.
On the portable front I'm sticking with my 2015 refurb MBA, but on the desktop power side I'm definitely going with a hackintosh now.

 

[kirkbross]

"First half of 2017" means "possibly by June 30, but most like a fluctuating, indeterminable amount of time after June 30."

 

[macUser2007]

Could that video be more of a ripoff of Apple product videos? Right down to the coloured smoke of the Hello Again invite.
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You might be missing the point....