New MacBook Pro and 13-Inch 'MacBook' Coming Next Week, iMac and Display Not Ready Yet

[lakeofthewoods]

What you don't seem to be understanding is that not ALL Kaby Lake processors are shipping at the moment: Only the low-power 4.5W & 15W versions designed to go into thin and light ultrabooks like the MB / MBA are shipping. If you look at the other PC makers, all of their PCs shipping with Kaby Lake are thin / light systems using low-power Kaby Lake parts.

The high-performance Kaby Lake processors (ie: 28W & 45W versions) that are designed for 13" / 15" MBP are not shipping just yet. You won't see these in ANY systems until next year. Research carefully and do your homework.

I'm fully aware of what is and is not shipping. You seem to be struggling with reading and comprehension and being a bit of a jerk because of it.

First, it's all speculative and based on a rumour and "IF" which is what the comments are all about. IF there's a new MBA and it is not shipping with Kaby Lake Core U (15W TDP) that's a disappointment. That would be a pro for other vendors and a con for Apple when comparing them side by side against Ultrabooks and Notebooks that are already shipping, something I shared in the link and you've repeated, a few times, like a broken record, to everyone and anyone it seems, like you know something the rest of the world doesn't. Not sure how many different ways that needs to keep being said unless you just like the way you say it? Did you want to go for one more? Unfortunately you do not get smarter the more times you say it, you can keep trying though. I would think that would almost make the opposite true however.

Second, IF they're refreshing the MBP now and doing so with Skylake rather than when the Kaby Lake Core H Quad-Core Procs are available that is also a disappointment and would be a fail or a con or -1, however you want to look at it when compared against other vendors and manufacturers who will be shipping their top tier products with Kaby Lake Core H beginning Q1 of 2017, a mere 60 or so days away.

So, IF the rumour is true and Apple's line of soon to be announced refresh of their laptops and ultrabooks which are currently very dated by today's standards will be shipping with Skylake they will already be trailing the rest of the industry with respect to the features and functionality of their processors before they are even in users hands.

 

[lcseds]

I don't put my MBP in a position for this to happen, and I'm not stupid enough to do it myself. I look after my ****... Im not clumsy.

My dog has knocked the Magsafe out plenty of times and the computer never hit the floor because of it.
Is my dog stupid? Well.....yes. Point being I don't have to pay for the carelessness of other humans and animals.

 

[Feenician]

The Mac Pro hasn't been updated since release at the end of 2013. It has ALREADY been out of date for well over a year. Plenty of newer chip options, not to mention they could bump the SSD, Ram, video cards, Thunderbolt 3.



Well, I'll agree with you on that one.

I was pretty clearly talking about the 6700HQ for the rMBP, not the XEONs for the Trash Can. Yes, they've neglected that badly.

 

[bingeciren]

Also my daughter says her Nikon shoots 24.2 Megapixels and she shoots raw...so does this mean I need the 16gb or do I need 256 or 512 storage or both? What about I5 vs I7 does this come into play as well? Thanks so much.

Shooting 24.2 MP and RAW eats disk space. However, it all depends on how many pictures she takes in a year. Our numbers are about 3000 per year. Even though we don't shoot RAW, even JPG takes about 16 to 20 GB per year.

No internal storage of a computer is capable of storing an ever increasing amount of data, and also it's not that efficient to use an expensive and fast SSD (flash) for mass storage.

I use an 8TB Seagate disk for shared backups for all our Mac's.

It is a lot more cost effective to store the original pictures on an external drive.

As for i5 vs i7, it shouldn't matter that much but if she is going to do a lot of editing, it's always much better to work with a fast machine. Unless you do a lot of simultaneous things together, like importing a bunch of pictures while editing, 8GB is usually sufficient, but considering the fact that nothing is upgradable any more, 16GB with 512 storage would not be a bad idea.

 

[Talkingtoaster]

My dog has knocked the Magsafe out plenty of times and the computer never hit the floor because of it.
Is my dog stupid? Well.....yes. Point being I don't have to pay for the carelessness of other humans and animals.

I cant see this being a big enough problem for them to keep it. My dog hasn't done this thank god. Dogs I can forgive, children and humans i couldn't!!

 

[brentsg]

I cant see this being a big enough problem for them to keep it. My dog hasn't done this thank god. Dogs I can forgive, children and humans i couldn't!!

I don't understand the argument that it seldom happens, and people should be careful, etc. That was the whole point of the feature to begin with and as careful as a person can be.. accidents still happen. Yes I realize there are people here who handle their MBP's with white gloves on to avoid skin oils on their devices, but that's not the norm. The rest of us have coworkers, family, children, pets, etc.

I am about as careful as I can be and I've never had a damaged cord or device. I was vacationing with family and setup a little work space in a corner of a basement, on a table they use for doing board games of puzzles. I was as far from the action as possible, and I put a chair to cover the 2 feet from the table to the A/C outlet. I went to the restroom and came back just in time to see my sister-in-law move the chair and circle the table to walk thru my power cord and pull my Macbook off the table. I caught it as I quickly saw what was happening. **** happens..

 

[deany]

13-inch MacBook Pro (Mid 2010)
— Vintage hardware that shipped with Snow Leopard

And was easily Upgradeable to:
• Lion
• Mountain Lion
• Mavericks
• Yosemite
• El Capitain
• Sierra

I'm feeling so neglected, (not at all).

Back when Apple introduced Snow Leopard to the public, Bertrand Serlet trashed Windows 7 as just another Vista. Which may come as a surprise to most Windows users, who regard 7 as the best release ever. In fact the community is fighting hard against forced unwanted Windows 10 installations. Half of the world wouldn't want a new Windows even if it is for free.

Woman wins $10,000 judgment against Microsoft for forced Windows 10 upgrade​

Fantasic video, thanks for posting. I almost felt it was 2016 watching it ie well before its time.
Shame I wasted so many years on Windows until seeing the light last year (still have MS on Parallels but use in as little as possible).
iOS, macOS and watchOS forever.

 

[GSDLVR123]

Shooting 24.2 MP and RAW eats disk space. However, it all depends on how many pictures she takes in a year. Our numbers are about 3000 per year. Even though we don't shoot RAW, even JPG takes about 16 to 20 GB per year.

No internal storage of a computer is capable of storing an ever increasing amount of data, and also it's not that efficient to use an expensive and fast SSD (flash) for mass storage.

I use an 8TB Seagate disk for shared backups for all our Mac's.

It is a lot more cost effective to store the original pictures on an external drive.

As for i5 vs i7, it shouldn't matter that much but if she is going to do a lot of editing, it's always much better to work with a fast machine. Unless you do a lot of simultaneous things together, like importing a bunch of pictures while editing, 8GB is usually sufficient, but considering the fact that nothing is upgradable any more, 16GB with 512 storage would not be a bad idea.

Thanks so very much for the info - I appreciate it. My girl is only 13 - so she is just playing around with photography, we have a horse farm on a river and she shoots around the house mainly - once or twice a week at best. I just bought her the camera for her 13th BD (Nikon 3300with a few different lenses). I have to buy 2 laptops so adding an extra 1K bucks for an I7, 16gb and 512 storage is not bad if needed but she is 13 and he's 14...lol. I really wish I had not bought my daughter the 16gb and I7 last year, but rather a base with 256...but sibling rivalry does come into play and I don't want one of the kids to have a computer lagging during school and the other kids (with a more powerful one) going along fine.

 

[curmudgeonette]

Thanks - backing up...hmmm... right now we use a 3tb Time capsule, [...] Will I need to buy another one of those or can the 2 new laptops back up to that as well?

Multiple machines can backup to the same Time Capsule. Just make sure that the aggregate size of all the machines' storage is less than the TC's storage. If you want the backups to include a long list of old file versions, then the TC's storage needs to be significantly bigger than the computers'.

Re Clock speeds (aka i5 vs i7): The higher speed CPUs are not really worth getting, especially at Apple's pricing. You won't notice a 5% speed difference in a GUI.

 

[GSDLVR123]

Thanks so very much for the info - I appreciate it. My girl is only 13 - so she is just playing around with photography, we have a horse farm on a river and she shoots around the house mainly - once or twice a week at best. I just bought her the camera for her 13th BD (Nikon 3300with a few different lenses). I have to buy 2 laptops so adding an extra 1K bucks for an I7, 16gb and 512 storage is not bad if needed but she is 13 and he's 14...lol. I really wish I had not bought my daughter the 16gb and I7 last year, but rather a base with 256...but sibling rivalry does come into play and I don't want one of the kids to have a computer lagging during school and the other kids (with a more powerful one) going along fine.

How much faster would the current model I7 with 3.1 ghz be vs the I5 model at 2.9ghz...worth the 180 bucks? I'm obiously not sure what the new models coming out will have - so there is another issue, not knowing if the new specs will compare to my daughters from last year.
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Multiple machines can backup to the same Time Capsule. Just make sure that the aggregate size of all the machines' storage is less than the TC's storage. If you want the backups to include a long list of old file versions, then the TC's storage needs to be significantly bigger than the computers'.

Re Clock speeds (aka i5 vs i7): The higher speed CPUs are not really worth getting, especially at Apple's pricing. You won't notice a 5% speed difference in a GUI.

Thanks!! That's what I'm concerned about...it's currently 180 bucks to go to the I7 3.1 ghz vs the I5 at 2.9...It's also 180 to go from 8gb to 16gb...again I don't want to be cheap, but if the kids will not notice, it's not worth it.

 

[curmudgeonette]

Thanks!! That's what I'm concerned about...it's currently 180 bucks to go to the I7 3.1 ghz vs the I5 at 2.9...It's also 180 to go from 8gb to 16gb...again I don't want to be cheap, but if the kids will not notice, it's not worth it.

Paying extra for 16GB is future proofing the machine. Paying more for a faster processor is mostly increasing Apple's (and Intel's) profit.

Your photographer could use the extra storage space, but a base level sized drive could be the incentive to "process" the photos and move the "keepers" off to archival storage. The archival drive could be the TC's drive itself (used as an NAS), or a USB drive hung off the TC.) Just be aware that there should be two archival drives, one backing up the other.

And idea: Two laptops, one with a faster CPU, the other with a bigger SSD. In the future, if needed, the kids could swap computers. It is also likely that the SSD could be swapped by a technician to make one powerhouse machine and one base machine. (So far, the only Mac with soldered SSD is the rMB.)

 

[brentsg]

Paying extra for 16GB is future proofing the machine. Paying more for a faster processor is mostly increasing Apple's (and Intel's) profit.

I can't imagine needing 16GB for a child. I can get away with 8GB even when using virtual machines.

 

[deany]

I can't imagine needing 16GB for a child. I can get away with 8GB even when using virtual machines.

But on VM fan kicks on? not good.

 

[GSDLVR123]

Paying extra for 16GB is future proofing the machine. Paying more for a faster processor is mostly increasing Apple's (and Intel's) profit.

Your photographer could use the extra storage space, but a base level sized drive could be the incentive to "process" the photos and move the "keepers" off to archival storage. The archival drive could be the TC's drive itself (used as an NAS), or a USB drive hung off the TC.) Just be aware that there should be two archival drives, one backing up the other.

And idea: Two laptops, one with a faster CPU, the other with a bigger SSD. In the future, if needed, the kids could swap computers. It is also likely that the SSD could be swapped by a technician to make one powerhouse machine and one base machine. (So far, the only Mac with soldered SSD is the rMB.)

Great - thanks so very much! I think I will wait and see the new specs and if pricing is similar to current models I'll go with 2 with 512 storage (currently comes with I5 2.9GHZ) and bump up to a 16gb...with education pricing tat is only 2265 with Applecare and tax or the same with 256 storage is 2032 with care and tax added. I like getting 2 at 4K...and maybe the 256 storage with an extra external will be good enough for a 13 and 14 year old. You've been a great help - I appreciate you taking the time to help an 'old guy' with little to no knowledge of tech.
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I can't imagine needing 16GB for a child. I can get away with 8GB even when using virtual machines.

My only reason is probably the fact I bought my 15 year old the 16gb...you know how kids think one is the favorite...lol. I have thought since the home machine (27" 5K with fusion ) I bought my wife has 32gb (upgraded at time of purchase)...the daughter can use that if she needs to do tougher editing. I think I'll probably go with the I5 2.9 Ghz 16gb and 256 storage for both...I can walk away with Applecare and tax for just over 4K...I think that's a decent price for a pretty good mac. I appreciate all the input from folks.

 

[cerberusss]

Thanks - backing up...hmmm... right now we use a 3tb Time capsule

Nope, great choice!

 

[brentsg]

But on VM fan kicks on? not good.

Uh no, my MacBook has no fan.

 

[deany]

Uh no, my MacBook has no fan.

Thought this thread was about the 2016 MacBook Pro as per title.
Would be interesting if the MacBook Pro is ever fanless.

 

[milo]

I was pretty clearly talking about the 6700HQ for the rMBP, not the XEONs for the Trash Can. Yes, they've neglected that badly.

I was very clearly talking about the Mac Pro, and I didn't even mention the laptops. It was pretty clear you were confused.

 

[nikoli1978]

The 27" inch iMac has a CPU that is as up to date as it's possible to be

Please. Read. The. Thread.

So why haven't those chips been available in a MBP until (hopefully) November of 2016?

Put me in the crowd that says Apple really screwed the pooch by not putting Skylake chips in the MBP line sooner. If they had done that, it wouldn't be a big deal if they waited for the good Kaby Lake chips in early 2017.

#IREADTHETHREAD

 

[brentsg]

So why haven't those chips been available in a MBP until (hopefully) November of 2016?

Put me in the crowd that says Apple really screwed the pooch by not putting Skylake chips in the MBP line sooner. If they had done that, it wouldn't be a big deal if they waited for the good Kaby Lake chips in early 2017.

#IREADTHETHREAD

If you read the thread then you'd know why. They didn't exist.

 

[nikoli1978]

Except that using the mouse means you're missing out on a substantial number of improvements made to the OS and apps generally. You must assume the OS is being designed around the trackpad, not the mouse experience.

I love trackpads and gestures and the like. However, I'm an Apple Logic guy. Editing in Logic with a trackpad is not a good option compared to a standard mouse. So while you make a valid point that significant features of OSX involve the trackpad... it's shortsighted to troll a person over using a mouse.
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If you read the thread then you'd know why. They didn't exist.

Well that's factually incorrect. iMacs have had high powered Skylake chips for a year now. High powered Skylake chips have been available for long enough to remove any excuse Apple has for not putting them in the MBP line.

 

[brentsg]

Well that's factually incorrect. iMacs have had high powered Skylake chips for a year now. High powered Skylake chips have been available for long enough to remove any excuse Apple has for not putting them in the MBP line.

It's factually correct. The Skylake CPUs in the iMac are desktop CPUs. How do you propose Apple puts those into a notebook? Intel releases a CPU family in waves. The proper Skylakes for a MBP only became available very recently. But you know this because you read the thread.

 

[nikoli1978]

If they'd updated the rMBPs 6 months ago they couldn't have used Skylake. It didn't become available until June.

June = 1
July = 2
August = 3
September = 4
October = 5
November = 6

November is likely when this new MBP will be available.

So that's 6 months of unnecessary waiting. If they had put those Skylake chips in when they were made available then waiting anther 6 months from now for Kaby Lake chips wouldn't be a big deal at all.

If you can't see why professionals would be frustrated by that then it's a YOU problem.
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It's factually correct. The Skylake CPUs in the iMac are desktop CPUs. How do you propose Apple puts those into a notebook? Intel releases a CPU family in waves. The proper Skylakes for a MBP only became available very recently. But you know this because you read the thread.

Oh now we're down to calling phrases like "very recently" as facts?

Sorry, but the appropriate chips have been available since JUNE! Apple should have had those chips in their MBPs day one. That way a buyer would've gotten a year of use before the next generation of chips were made available. As it stands, it's 6 months.

 

[brentsg]

Oh now we're down to calling phrases like "very recently" as facts?

Sorry, but the appropriate chips have been available since JUNE! Apple should have had those chips in their MBPs day one. That way a buyer would've gotten a year of use before the next generation of chips were made available. As it stands, it's 6 months.

You're simply trolling at this point. You were talking about a year. And you held up the iMac as an example to demonstrate why it's possible, yet the iMac uses different parts entirely. Stop moving the goalposts. It's also been discussed that just because Intel has a spec sheet showing a launch date doesn't mean they were available for volume deployment.

If this gen of Skylake parts winds up in a short window, that's because the last couple of Intel releases suffered delays. Kaby Lake was essentially borne of these delays, as Intel changed up its release timing. It sucks, but it is what it is. Let's also not discount the fact that the GPU landscape was pretty barren due to the length of time it was stuck on 28nm process. That's another barrier that has just come down.

 

[nikoli1978]

You're simply trolling at this point. You were talking about a year. And you held up the iMac as an example to demonstrate why it's possible, yet the iMac uses different parts entirely. Stop moving the goalposts. It's also been discussed that just because Intel has a spec sheet showing a launch date doesn't mean they were available for volume deployment.

If this gen of Skylake parts winds up in a short window, that's because the last couple of Intel releases suffered delays. Kaby Lake was essentially borne of these delays, as Intel changed up its release timing. It sucks, but it is what it is. Let's also not discount the fact that the GPU landscape was pretty barren due to the length of time it was stuck on 28nm process. That's another barrier that has just come down.

Ah yes, standard procedure of a person who has no argument to make... call the other person a troll and make a strawman out of their argument.

I think it's pretty obvious if you've #readthethread that I only referenced the iMac having Skylake for a year means Apple is perfectly comfortable putting (gasp) brand NEW chips in their machines. They should have put the mobile Skylake chips in their MBPs the day they were made available 6 months ago... just as they did for the iMac a year ago.

Now there are many professionals who have less than optimal choices...

1. Upgrade now knowing that the next gen of processors will be available in 6 months.

2. Continue to use the very old current gen of Apple pro grade laptops and wait ANOTHER six months for the next gen.

The really ****** part is that we have no idea whether Apple is going to ignore Kaby Lake when it becomes available just like they did with Skylake. Might be another 12 months or more before we see Kaby Lake in a MBP.

Again, if you can't see the frustration in that... that's a YOU problem.