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New MacBook Pro and Gaming?

koyoot said:
Why are they non-Pro in your mind? I have been asking over and over this, and NOBODY is able to answer me this.
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I think the issue most have is the "Pro" 460 is less powerful than the normal 460. Now, it's also using much less power. I do agree if something is "Pro" level, I think it should best the normal version in all ways. Maybe benchmarks will show differently, but the general consensus at this point is the "Pro" version is less powerful.

I am not surprised by their choice of card. They always choose a mid-tier GPU for the MBP. However, this is the first I remember them releasing their own, underpowered version of it.
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leman said:
Exactly. Buying a Mac primarily for gaming is an incredibly dumb idea, to say the least.
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Very true. But dismissing anyone's concerns over the gaming performance is wrong. Especially because Apple uses Gaming, right there next to Video Editing, as a way to boast the performance of the laptop.
 
inhalexhale1 said:
I think the issue most have is the "Pro" 460 is less powerful than the normal 460. Now, it's also using much less power. I do agree if something is "Pro" level, I think it should best the normal version in all ways. Maybe benchmarks will show differently, but the general consensus at this point is the "Pro" version is less powerful.

I am not surprised by their choice of card. They always choose a mid-tier GPU for the MBP. However, this is the first I remember them releasing their own, underpowered version of it.
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Of course its less powerful than the normal 460! The "normal" 460 is a desktop card! Just as mobile version of Nvidia GPUs are slower than their desktop counterparts.

inhalexhale1 said:
Very true. But dismissing anyone's concerns over the gaming performance is wrong. Especially because Apple uses Gaming, right there next to Video Editing, as a way to boast the performance of the laptop.
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You are right of course. And there is no doubt that Pro 460 will be absolutely fine for some on-the-side gaming, having performance levels comparable to 960M and 965M (which are still sold in lower-tier gaming laptops).
 
MacBH928 said:
I am not sure from where did you pulled those numbers since the macbook pro is still not out, but no, when I bought my macbook fixed to inflation it was almost $1800 in 2008. It could barely run games from that year (Left4Dead on lowest possible settings it looked almost like Quake), and it was about to lift off when I made it run Warcraft.

Every other thread and conversation about macbook gaming comes with the same conclusion , macbooks can barely run current games. no matter what year you buy them unless they are on lowest settings.

Current as in within 2 years away from the macbook release, let alone games released in the coming 2 years. Current does not meant Skyrim from 2011.
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That kinda shows how people who talk about the GPUs in question know anything about them. Which means pretty much nothing.

Radeon Pro 460 is the same chip as RX460. And benchmarks for 1080p of that GPU are widely available. Claiming it can barely run in that resolution games, shows your perception of the brand, and knowledge of the actual benchmarks for the GPU.

RX 460 gets 120FPS in Heroes of the storm with Dual core CPU. It also gets 70 FPS in Overwatch Ultra settings. They are widely available on numbers of reviews for RX 460. Like I have said, subtract 15-20% and you get the performance for Radeon Pro 460.
 
The most interesting thing about the Pro-moniker is that they will probably use Pro/Workstation-oriented drivers. More focus on optimization for Pro apps and less for games. They didn't do that on the former MPB or the iMac, so it will be interesting to follow.

I would assume that OpenGL is still at the outdated v4.1 which is less than impressive in a Pro-context, but that is Apple for you. Go Metal, or go home.

Most of the split between consumer GeForce nVidia GPU or their Pro Quadro is on drivers too with some added support for 10-bit display too. The chips looks to be the same AFAIK.
 
leman said:
Of course its less powerful than the normal 460! The "normal" 460 is a desktop card! Just as mobile version of Nvidia GPUs are slower than their desktop counterparts.



You are right of course. And there is no doubt that Pro 460 will be absolutely fine for some on-the-side gaming, having performance levels comparable to 960M and 965M (which are still sold in lower-tier gaming laptops).
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I'm referring to the 460m, the laptop version of the 460. The 460 "Pro" is expected to be less powerful. That's what I meant by normal version, not the desktop card. If indeed benchmarks show it's less powerful than a 460m, then it'll be more like the 960m.
 
inhalexhale1 said:
I'm referring to the 460m, the laptop version of the 460. The 460 "Pro" is expected to be less powerful. That's what I meant by normal version, not the desktop card. If indeed benchmarks show it's less powerful than a 460m, then it'll be more like the 960m.
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Do you know that Radeon Pro 460 is the same GPU as Radeon RX 480M?
 
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koyoot said:
Do you know that Radeon Pro 460 is the same GPU as Radeon RX 480M?
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Yes, this seems to be the case. And if Apple has bough out majority of Polaris 11 chips, there is no surprise that no other laptop is currently shipping with any of the Polaris GPUs...
 
leman said:
Yes, this seems to be the case. And if Apple has bough out majority of Polaris 11 chips, there is no surprise that no other laptop is currently shipping with any of the Polaris GPUs...
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Aye ;).
 
jav6454 said:
And it would still be called delusional. No "light" gamer spends $500 on a eGPU on a consumer laptop (specially one as expensive as MacBook). Rather they spend that cash towards a good tower that'll get them more performance for better price and pocket the rest in something else.

Efficient and elegant.
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No light gamer uses a tower..the whole world outside of hardcore pc gamers are leaving desktops.
 
OVERTASK said:
I expected a bit more from the Iris 540 given that Civ VI is hardly a demanding game.
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What are your temps like and what is it clocked at? I'm getting about 50-55ºC clocked at 4.8Ghz, 6600K chip.
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Have not really done some tests..did a run with the standard asus 5way optimation program at it set it to 4970/4900 on all four cores with a temp of 79c right after the test.. did not see the temp after it settled. The 6700k is fine at stock setting right now for my use. It is not maxed by any games and im not doing any rendering etc. It is set to 4200 on all 4 cores running at 38-42c. The 1080gtx is an oc version and set to about 30mhz below the actual oc version...just because i like round numbers:)
Im toying around with project cars on the vive... a reason to OC...so I should look into it again.
 
OVERTASK said:
I have a 2015 MBP which I have only played Hearthstone on, I do plan on getting the 2016.

But since I wanted to try out VR I built myself this:
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Nice setup apart from the lighting. Teenager? And is your car the same? :p
 
Marshall73 said:
Nice setup apart from the lighting. Teenager? And is your car the same? :p
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**** Im almost 40 and I love that lighting stuff. My entire apartment is rigged with 40 wifi rgb/cct bulbs.... I love those colors every day....oh I ride a bicycle and use public transport:)
I got the bulbs for the CCT option (between about 2000 and 6500Kelvin) in the white.
But the option to add colors grows on you...now I love it no matter how tacky it is.
Lighting used to be easy now I spend much longer time enjoying the colors and picking out my mood.
I use the Milight system and added a few Yeelight bulbs in aswell to support xiaoi home system.
Now I can make ambilight with the entire apartment should I ever want to
 

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koyoot said:
That kinda shows how people who talk about the GPUs in question know anything about them. Which means pretty much nothing.

Radeon Pro 460 is the same chip as RX460. And benchmarks for 1080p of that GPU are widely available. Claiming it can barely run in that resolution games, shows your perception of the brand, and knowledge of the actual benchmarks for the GPU.

RX 460 gets 120FPS in Heroes of the storm with Dual core CPU. It also gets 70 FPS in Overwatch Ultra settings. They are widely available on numbers of reviews for RX 460. Like I have said, subtract 15-20% and you get the performance for Radeon Pro 460.
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1) 70FPS on 4K for Overwatch means its a lot more powerful than the PS4 which last I heard can do 1080P in 60fps at best, are you sure of what you are saying?

2) I was talking about the $2000 machine which is the '13 model that comes with Intel HD 550, and no option to upgrade any higher. You are talking about the maxed out '15 macbook pro that is for $3000. For $1000 difference you can build a dedicated gaming machine.
 
It's definitely 1080p, the Radeon 460 is on par with the PS4 GPU which is already stretched to the limit to run 1080p content at 30 FPS.
 
MacBH928 said:
1) 70FPS on 4K for Overwatch means its a lot more powerful than the PS4 which last I heard can do 1080P in 60fps at best, are you sure of what you are saying?
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You see, you have misread what I was saying. 70 FPS is 1080p. Not 4K, like you was thinking.
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This is 2 GB version of the GPU, which loses somewhat performance compared to 4 GB model.
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Every Blizzard game is very well optimized for Nvidia hardware, hence the Nvidia GPU Framerates.

This is not weak GPU as people claim it to be. It is very close to desktop GTX 960:
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I dont even understand gaming on a laptop. It just makes it extremely hot and probably damages it in the long run too. Would rather play games on a console or desktop
 
dk808 said:
I dont even understand gaming on a laptop. It just makes it extremely hot and probably damages it in the long run too. Would rather play games on a console or desktop
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It generates the same amount of heat you would do any other intensive task. video editing which when I have a fair amount of backlog to work at times or gaming sees the fans spins and the temp monitor shoot up up up.

amount of post processing needed the video editing can be worse. Have had worst case scenarios of horrendous lighting needing me to go to higher iso's to get a shootable shutter speed I hate to go to but a necessary evil. this gets me iso noise. Aka snowing indoors effect lol.


I have a nice FCP plugin in for this its just she needs her time to run. this has run for 3-4 hours + in some cases. Gaming tbh...I get in 2hour spurts max. RL and other things come up.

Rest of this...usual FYI. Apple throttles, whatever would be in the shell would see framerate drop regardless. Bootcamp to get some of the that back. Also removes the porting tech used. Some do it good (my usual thank you feral, since they have posters here and I want them to know their work is appreciated).

And others....I have some steam sales uninstalled shortly after install since I'd call them crap, but crap would be offended as it say hey...I am no where near as bad as that stuff lol.

native gaming, know you aren't getting latest and greatest games. At least not from established sources. the Indy crews in steam, yes. I like the indy games most times so not a bad thing. Goods ones when they nail it put AAA gaming to shame really.
 
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