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New MacBook Pro and Gaming?
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Why are they non-Pro in your mind? I have been asking over and over this, and NOBODY is able to answer me this.
I just quoted Adobe After Effects and Adobe Premiere Pro as professional apps that the new MacBook Pros can not run properly.
How do you know that?
Previous generation of MBP was running it completely fine, so how more powerful GPUs cannot run it properly?
If you are going to say something about OpenCL, better think about it. Apple has Metal API. And EVERY professional, and non-professional Application will be required to run on it. CUDA is dead on Mac. OpenCL is dead on Mac.
Wait, what? Where did you get this information from?
If you're implying that a fully decked out Mac Pro will run it better, then well duh... But who is stating that AE and Primere Pro can't run properly on a MBP?
I work at a TV post production company, we had to drop all OpenCL cards for their horrible Adobe Performance.
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I work at a TV post production company, we had to drop all OpenCL cards for their horrible Adobe Performance.
No. When there is a factory overclock there is an entire rework of the chipset (not the GPU itself) in order to maximize performance. Specially ASUS.
That's why you never compare factory OC to stock.
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Yes it will. Look at Intel's own chips for the answer. Yes they are locked at whatever GHz they are rated at. However, run them at that rating 100% and watch temperatures flare up and performance go down if the cooler can't keep dissipating heat fast enough. That is true for any computer system.
I suppose its time to leave conversation with you. All you posted here is complete and utter nonsense.
What does it have to do with Apple? They are focusing on Metal, everybody who will want to be on Apple platform will use Metal as the API for GPU acceleration.
And lastly. Start demanding from Developers better job with programming the applications for particular software. Oh, right. When you use CUDA, as primary API for GPU acceleration, you cannot optimize for other APIs. Exactly like with GameWorks, and other Nvidia proprietary software.
Right, running a GPU at 100% is not going to throttle it. And right, serious manufacturers [read: ASUS, EVGA, Gigabyte] just for the heck of it up voltage and MHz and upcharge $40-100 (some do like PNY).
I have not spotted any throttling on my GPU, when I am properly cooling it. Your thinking is wrong from the ground up here.
Reworking the chipset means physical changes in the chipset structure of the actual GPU. You know, VRM's, condensations, etc. Factory OC can be done just by upping up the core clock. The GPUs are the same, do not physically change. XFX RX 480 GTR is the best example for this. XFX used their own custom BIOS, and they achieved better thermals, better efficiency and better performance of the GPU. They achieved stable 60 degrees celsius under load, at 20W less from reference design, and with 22 MHz higher core clocks, without throttling.
Similar thing most likely can happen with Radeon Pro GPUs, because they are made by Apple(even BIOSES are most likely Apple made). Actually AMD and Apple co-engineered the GPUs, which CEO of AMD, Lisa Su, have said publicly in an interview.
All you have is ancedotal evidence, but lets go ahead and bite. What is proper cooling? No, proper cooling is not having to buy an extra cooling pad or fans. I mean how can you ensure tempratures won't flare in a reduced space like the MBPs?
Reworking the chipset is done all the time. Everytime there is a new video card that does not follow the reference card, it was reworked. Many (I can't pin down a number %) overclocked cards are not reference designs and have been reworked to allow smoother voltages in and out. That means better power management (VRMs) and better capacitors/MOSFETs. Furthermore, because the card is overclocked you obviously modified the expected TDP output and as such need to redesign the thermal distribution and cooling. Now, like I stated earlier, not all Overclocked cards are custom/reworked, but the vast majority are. Furthermore, I clearly stated that when reworking a card design the GPU does not change. You however, managed to read that out. Interesting...
Only thing that can allow your GPU design on the core for higher voltages is the BIOS. Interacting with the card itself will not allow for higher voltage on the GPU core. You have no understanding here how the GPU works.
You want to know what will allow higher voltages on GPUs? Reworking the silicon. For each GPU design it takes 18 months to change the design of the silicon, and it costs roughly as of right now, for 14/16 nm process around 80 mln USD.
Im sorry but I am out of this conversation. You lack knowledge about the GPUs, yet you accuse me about the anecdotal knowledge.
Want to know How it is possible that my GPU does not overheat? Because I ramp up the fans in the laptop up to max. Thats why temperatures under load never exceed 70 degrees for CPU and GPU. And I do play a lot of games.
Fair enough, Adobe always preferred CUDA over OpenCL, but Adobe is at least moving towards adding Metal support. I think here was initial support in the June update, and they state the Metal support has been further improved in Premiere Pro 2017. I'm not sure if all GPU Effects are Metal accelerated yet. Probably not.
The point being that we can't say that the Radeon 460 is pure junk for Premiere Pro before we have tested it in real.
Not sure what you're askingBut yeah, this screen flickering only happens during league or watching videos, so something to do with graphics I guess?
I am asking if you already have access to a MBP with the 450/455/460 and can thus report about its performance and possible issues
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Why wouldnt one be able to run Fallout 4? I am running Fallout 4 on the Geforce 650m with a meager 1GB just fine...sure, it doesnt look as nice as it would on a Geforce 1080, but with the right tweaks it can look decent enough and get through most situations easily.
If the fans are ramped up to max before starting a game, maybe the 460 pro can be overclocked quite a bit. At least that worked quite well with the 650m .. temperature related throttling never happened there for me.
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As I said you need to wait, the previous MacBooks could run games quite happily, not everyone needs every single setting maxed out with 100FPS plus at 4K resolution to enjoy games.
And I'm pretty sure the Polaris tech is for gaming just as much as for editing photos.
The previous MacBook could run games just fine, as long as your expectations were realistic. But the 460 pro is not going to be close to a GTX 1060.
Apparently someone doesn't know basic physics. You can up the voltage, but if your card isn't designed to handle the power through it, you will have serious issues and will burn something. Please remember Ohm's Law and the Power Law of RC circuits. In order to keep one side of the equation balanced you need to proportionately increase the other. You can't up voltage without power draw and amps increasing. Hence your circuits and components of a PCB (which may not be suitable for such feats) may end up taking damage if they aren't designed for this extra surge in power.
A GPU can take it as we know, these only need voltage increases to work at faster rates (albeit hotter).
Exactly, which is why every major manufacturer has access to GPU designs early and why sometimes custom designs are not available on Day 1. See the GTX 1080/1070. You ramp your fans on your current machine setup, not this newly flattened setup which will have reduced heat dissipation due to everything being squished.
Exactly. Buying a Mac primarily for gaming is an incredibly dumb idea, to say the least.
Yeah it's so weird when people want to game on these machines. It's like buying an Aston Martin to go backwoods offroading.
I am not sure from where did you pulled those numbers since the macbook pro is still not out, but no, when I bought my macbook fixed to inflation it was almost $1800 in 2008. It could barely run games from that year (Left4Dead on lowest possible settings it looked almost like Quake), and it was about to lift off when I made it run Warcraft.
Every other thread and conversation about macbook gaming comes with the same conclusion , macbooks can barely run current games. no matter what year you buy them unless they are on lowest settings.
Current as in within 2 years away from the macbook release, let alone games released in the coming 2 years. Current does not meant Skyrim from 2011.
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