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[Altis]

You can get a DELL XPS 15 with a Quad core i5 and a GTX 1050 for the entry 13" Model... kinda sad
better keep buying those overpriced glued fancy machines

Yeah, even the new Yoga 720 15.6" with 4K touch/pen display (360 degree hinge), i7 7700HQ (quad core), 16 GB of RAM, and GTX 1050 is cheaper than the cheapest MBR (13" base non-TB).

I know there's some good things about the MBP but I mean there is a bit of a limit.

EDIT: It also has 512 GB of PCIe SSD.

 

[kiranmk2]

I'm starting to wonder if now is actually the sweet spot. Do you think MBP will get a full redesign too? That would make it the sweet spot, IMO.

No - redesign only every ~4 years. To be honest, that's a good thing as 1st gen Apple products are not normally even close to a sweet spot as they are underspec'd and prone to defects - look at the poor GPU performance in the 1st gen retina MBPs, the bending iPhone 6 plus, the poor battery life of the 2016 TB MBPs and the thickness/weight/lack of facetime camera in the first iPad.

 

[Hawaga]

My 2011 model didn't magically stop working

Mine did. Just one day after the end of the extended warranty.

 

[djjaes]

Well, I realize my metaphor wasn't perfect. I was trying to say that if you wait for the next best thing, then you will be waiting for eternity.

Oh well, just my humble opinion.

 

[theluggage]

Not in a £2249 machine it isn't.

How about a £2249 machine that includes a £1179 display?

C.f. MS Surface Studio: £2999 (8GB, 2GB GPU)

Now, the Dell XPS 27, i7, with 16GB RAM, 512GB SSD, R9 M470X 4GB VRAM @ £2599 (vs. iMac 27 AMD 575 4GB VRAM, upgraded to i7, 16GB RAM, 512GB SSD, @ £2669) looks more of a contender - but that's "only" a 4k screen on the Dell and the iMac has a better/newer CPU and GPU.

(NB: the Dell is also more upgradeable, so it is a contender if you're prepared to consider Windows).

The iMac 27" has always been reasonable value for money, by Apple standards.

 

[slimothy]

No - redesign only every ~4 years. To be honest, that's a good thing as 1st gen Apple products are not normally even close to a sweet spot as they are underspec'd and prone to defects - look at the poor GPU performance in the 1st gen retina MBPs, the bending iPhone 6 plus, the poor battery life of the 2016 TB MBPs and the thickness/weight/lack of facetime camera in the first iPad.

This is true. Though some say HDR screens (maybe less bezel) among other things could come to the next MBP. That's sorta a redesign, in a sense. Though I agree a CoffeeLake MBP would probably be close to the sweet spot.

 

[Ursadorable]

You can get a DELL XPS 15 with a Quad core i5 and a GTX 1050 for the entry 13" Model... kinda sad
better keep buying those overpriced glued fancy machines

Doesn't run Mac OS, so your comment is irrelevant on a Mac forum.

 

[ryanide]

This is true. Though some say HDR screens (maybe less bezel) among other things could come to the next MBP. That's sorta a redesign, in a sense. Though I agree a CoffeeLake MBP would probably be close to the sweet spot.

Yes, the Dell laptop screens have almost no bezel and they are touch screens. Makes the MBPs look really old.

 

[ksnell]

Get both. The 2017 now and then sell it when the new one comes out and get that one. I buy a new laptop every year.

Genuinely curious about this. Do you sell via eBay and how much does it end up costing you each year (net) to upgrade?

 

[slimothy]

Yes, the Dell laptop screens have almost no bezel and they are touch screens. Makes the MBPs look really old.

No one wants Windows lmfao.

 

[macintoshmac]

You can get a DELL XPS 15 with a Quad core i5 and a GTX 1050 for the entry 13" Model... kinda sad
better keep buying those overpriced glued fancy machines

Sure you can get it. Can you really, truly, rely on that machine to not belch out under demanding conditions that heat its insides?

Open any MacBook and open any other laptop out there, look, and I mean really look and understand things such as airflow and heat intake and exit concepts in there. You will surprise yourself. And then we will see if you come back talking about them as glued fancy machines.

Having the best of ingredients doesn't guarantee a good bake.
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No - redesign only every ~4 years. To be honest, that's a good thing as 1st gen Apple products are not normally even close to a sweet spot as they are underspec'd and prone to defects - look at the poor GPU performance in the 1st gen retina MBPs, the bending iPhone 6 plus, the poor battery life of the 2016 TB MBPs and the thickness/weight/lack of facetime camera in the first iPad.

Have you personally suffered anything of it?

 

[joris538]

You can get a DELL XPS 15 with a Quad core i5 and a GTX 1050 for the entry 13" Model... kinda sad
better keep buying those overpriced glued fancy machines

with a hard drive, non-retina display, and cheap plastic housing

 

[zaphodb3]

Yes, the Dell laptop screens have almost no bezel and they are touch screens. Makes the MBPs look really old.

I never understood the desire for touch screens on a laptop tbh. On a tablet it's unavoidable, but I don't need yet another way for my laptop screen to get smudged.

 

[radio893fm]

No one wants Windows lmfao.

That's weird. I heard 95% of the world is using Windows. But this is off-topic.

 

[slimothy]

That's weird. I heard 95% of the world is using Windows. But this is off-topic.

Big difference between "uses" and "is able to afford". Also, your metric is a little off.

 

[Altis]

with a hard drive, non-retina display, and cheap plastic housing

See my post:

Yeah, even the new Yoga 720 15.6" with 4K touch/pen display (360 degree hinge), i7 7700HQ (quad core), 16 GB of RAM, and GTX 1050 is cheaper than the cheapest MBR (13" base non-TB).

I know there's some good things about the MBP but I mean there is a bit of a limit.

EDIT: It also has 512 GB of PCIe SSD.

I never understood the desire for touch screens on a laptop tbh. On a tablet it's unavoidable, but I don't need yet another way for my laptop screen to get smudged.

It's useful on the ones that can tent/flip the screen right over. I agree for clamshell models, though.

 

[sartor]

So I purchased the higher spec’d 15” MBPtb online with my BarclayCard about 10 minutes after the online store came back up.

My order still shows processing, not even preparing for shipment yet, and it says it may be delivered as late as 6/13.

Can I just stop by a store and have them cancel the online order and take home a MBP today? I’ve checked and they do have them in stock next at the Apple Store a few blocks away.

I had luck cancelling a MBPro order last year, just give them a call or go to your Apple Store and tell them what's up!

 

[jbsiii]

Will next year's MacBook y likely come w/ TB3 connectivity to create better external monitor options?

 

[Charles50]

I got my 2017 iMac yesterday at the Apple Store. They were fresh off the truck. There are three basic models, Apple always does Good/Better/Best. I got Best, the 27in Retina 5k with 3.8Ghz i5 and Radeon Pro 580 with 8Gb VRAM. For once, I am first, and best.

 

[Kameha]

Already available in stores, well no one wants the obsolete amateurs DonglesBook lol
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To get the 2017 MBP 15" or wait for CoffeeLake. That is the question.

Neither one, unless you really want the DonglesBook then wait until Black Friday, there will be a big discount because this DonglesBook is a failure device...

 

[pat500000]

No Mac mini. Boooooo

Tim cook's response: "meow?"

 

[slimothy]

Already available in stores, well no one wants the obsolete amateurs DonglesBook lol
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Neither one, unless you really want the DonglesBook then wait until Black Friday, there will be a big discount because this DonglesBook is a failure device...

Eh, but by then, the new one will be right around the corner.

 

[ShufromChina]

with a hard drive, non-retina display, and cheap plastic housing

You must have been living in a cave. XPS from 2015 has been offering 3k (for 13inch) and 4k (for 15 inch)displays and tech blogs basing on benchmark scores were putting their display at least on par with the contemporary MacBook Pros (CNET, Engadget, NotebookCheck, LaptopMag, you name it). And that was since 2015.

their housing is not cheap as well. Aluminum front and back with carbon-fiber black finish on the keyboards giving at least as premium a feel as the MBP's.

And regarding hard drive, XPS has long been implementing the top-of-the-line SSD in their ultrabooks since 3-4 years ago. No mixed drive, no HDD. And their SSD is not some cheap crap SATA3--they were the same as the contemporary MBP's as well. And as of now the newest XPS's are using the PCIe 2.0 x4 standards, just as the newest Macs.

And I am saying this from an Apple user point of view--just happened to be not living in a cave. And this is not just XPS. Most premium PC OEM's are pushing the exact same hardware specs and standards just as the MBP's.

You can still say Macs have the OS, have the customer support, have an edge in reliability, etc. But for the reasons you listed, you better take a look at the world today.

 

[Kusakun]

Get both. The 2017 now and then sell it when the new one comes out and get that one. I buy a new laptop every year.

Lucky you. Not all of us can afford a laptop change every year

 

[triton100]

Lucky you. Not all of us can afford a laptop change every year

Why not ? You sell the one you bought the year before and use that towards the purchase of the new one. You lose a few hundred pounds in the price drop which would have been the cost of leasing the original computer at a reasonable price.