Become a MacRumors Supporter for $50/year with no ads, ability to filter front page stories, and private forums.
I have one question. Whatever happened to the M1X chip that every other MR reader was saying we would get? You all had me thinking this was a sure thing. After all, how can a hundred people and four bots be wrong on something like this? ;)
 
And the fact we're tax inclusive makes our price more expensive as well (US isn't)

Do you know that Officeworks will price match amazon (or any major retailer for that matter) and beat the price by 5% on a new model. Worth checking it out ;)
Wait they even price match amazon? Didn’t know about that. I almost always buy directly from apple cause I can get applecare And followup services etc easily.
 
It's strange to me how Apple buyers have come to equate form factor overhauls with giant price hikes. "Oh look, they put the same computer in a new case. I'll gladly pay an extra $200 for it. It's pink!"


R&D costs extra. A new manufacturing process costs extra. Maybe that’s why Apple is pretty much the only company to have seen any headway with concepts like the all in one imac. Because apple users are willing to pay a premium for “niceness” whereas on the PC side, it’s all about shopping for lowest prices for parts.
 
  • Like
Reactions: teohyc and macbetta
R&D costs extra. A new manufacturing process costs extra. Maybe that’s why Apple is pretty much the only company to have seen any headway with concepts like the all in one imac. Because apple users are willing to pay a premium for “niceness” whereas on the PC side, it’s all about shopping for lowest prices for parts.
Perfect illustration of what I was talking about.
 
We certainly look at computers differently. Me, I could care less about the differences in your rendering, but the specs are what is real world about some headless PC box. And in addition to the specs, real world includes the result of tens of thousands of hours that the world's top computer engineers spent upgrading M1 to M2.

Like I said earlier in this thread:
First off, M2 is a year newer and always will be. Buyers of M1 today will always be ~a year further behind the tech curve than buyers of M2 today; M1 will reach EOL a year sooner.

Secondly, M2 is the evolved generation of M1's spectacular performance achievements, and will have thousands of lines of cleaned up code, etc. under the hood.

Thirdly, improved internal specs like WiFi 6E, USB, etc. may present. Perhaps not the "design/color changes" so many here seem to desire (which totally escape me, because I care almost exclusively about performance/cost issues), but things that make life nicer over the 3-6 year life of a new box.

Fourth but not least is expected M2 20% performance improvement is actually quite a bit given how good M1 are.
You make a lot of incorrect assumptions in your claims that I will not spend a lot of time dissecting, save one: that the M1 is not improved after its release, as if it is static after manufacture and that is absurd. And the "specs" as far as performance in lab testing are not always real world applicable, which is why submarines have engineers on them.
 
Last edited:
The first Mac I ever owned was a Power Computing PowerTower Pro 225 with a whopping 64MB of RAM...!
My first computer was a TI99/4A with 2K IIRC. Then a Trash 80 with a bit more, than a Commodore Vic20 with 20K...
 
My price is AUD so naturally larger number than USD price due to exchange rate.
I am also looking for local refurb options but price drop isn’t good enough imo.
The price I mention includes a 1TB/2TB iPad and a MacBook Pro with 2TB/4TB internal storage.
85% or so of the people in my local apple store shopping the other night were overseas tourists seeking to buy iphones and laptops to take back to avoid the higher prices in their countries. Maybe start comparing airline tickets to apple's price premiums in AUS...? ;)
 
  • Haha
Reactions: Shirasaki
The Internet abounds with examples of why it's financially smarter to buy used cars and keep them for many years. I think the same thing applies to expensive technology.
It is not so straightforward a decision; I've leased cars for 35 years and it is not a purely spreadsheetable, A/B scenario.
 
Hi guys, how often do you guys "upgrade" your Mac mini? If there is a M2 Mac mini launch (Pro or non-Pro) in Nov 2022, what will you do with your current one?

I have a 2018 Mac mini and it is so tempting .... 😍
 
I am excited by the 14" MacBook Pro with an M2 Max chipset. I will obviously wait for the reviews, but my hope and desire is that I can fully replace my iMac workstation with one of these notebooks and an Apple Studio Display.

My iMac is a 10-core i9, 64GB RAM, 16GB 5700XT GPU. It's a fantastic machine.

HOWEVER, my new M2 Air feels substantially snappier in practically everything. The only thing stopping me from using the Air as an iMac replacement is that I have only 24GB RAM in the Air, and I do not believe the 10 core M2 GPU is capable of outperforming my Radeon Pro 5700XT in most things.

So, should the M2 Max inside a 14" MacBook Pro have the juice to outperform my iMac in the GPU department, AND the thermal throttling isn't drastic, I will go for that and the external display. Obviously the CPU will be substantially faster than my iMac in all aspects as I believe the M2 already is, especially single core.

I can then give my wife the M2 Air and a Studio Display to replace her iMac (my old 4.2Ghz quad core i7 model), and I will finally just have a single machine that does everything.
 
A loaded Mac Pro has always been expensive, folks just angry because they cannot slap in third-party GPUs, RAM, and SSDs...
It's more of an issue with not being able to slap in anything at a later point in time, not even original Apple hardware. Whatever storage configuration you can get now might not be enough in a couple years. You can see that with the Mac Studio being limited to 8TB - and Apple does not sell any upgrade options and it seems highly unlikely they ever will. It is a ridiculous limit for a Mac Pro when any older desktop computer with a couple SATA slots allows for more storage expansion. We already saw how Apple treats the Pro with the latest gen where you only get two SATA ports in addition to the maximum 8TB of flash storage. Although at least they let you upgrade to these 8TB at a later point in time.

On a Macbook I find 4TB great, but on a workstation grade desktop computer there is no excuse not to allow slotting in more storage. The Studio might get away with it due to its form factor, but even then Apple limits it further by sending you the lower storage tier configurations with the second slot left free, yet it's inoperable even if you found an original Apple part to slot it, which Apple apparently doesn't want you to buy anyways.

Apple could sell storage upgrade modules for the Studio, the design allows for it. Yet they withhold that option and cripple lower storage tier versions so that the second slot can never be used.

What I'd like to see with the ASi Pro is a housing plus power supply that can be kept when upgrading and then just swapping out the logic board for a new generation one and at least four M.2 or Apple proprietary slots that can be used at a later point in time without being permanently disabled from the start. Replaceable memory isn't that important since the M2 Ultra will already be able to offer 192GiB in the Studio (unless Apple withhold this option on the Studio) and if the Pro can do just 256GiB, that's plenty for a workstation, at least for me. Maybe there are people who need 512GiB or even 1TiB but then I wonder if that's a workload they really want to run on their personal workstation instead of something like an Epyc platform.
 
85% or so of the people in my local apple store shopping the other night were overseas tourists seeking to buy iphones and laptops to take back to avoid the higher prices in their countries. Maybe start comparing airline tickets to apple's price premiums in AUS...? ;)
I spent over 2 months in the NA region over the Aust winter/NA's summer. Whilst Apple's US/CA's online website prices looked cheaper than Oz, in Seattle, NYC, & DC, the Apple store wouldn't sell tax-free. So, by the time local taxes are incorporated, the savings were measly...and this didn't even include any Australian customs tax (let's not talk about "not declaring").

So in the end, I didn't buy anything and thought I'd buy locally in Oz when I came back.

P.S. Canada's taxes even worse compared to Oz
 
  • Sad
Reactions: Shirasaki
MagSafe Apple mouse, still can't use it while charging but it won't be on its side anymore. MagSafe not included.

Charging on the bottom is still the most elegant solution. Why spoil the design with an ugly USB port in the front or back when you really only need it every 2-3 weeks?

No, you can’t use it while it’s charging but is that really sich a big deal?
 
.
Charging on the bottom is still the most elegant solution. Why spoil the design with an ugly USB port in the front or back when you really only need it every 2-3 weeks?

No, you can’t use it while it’s charging but is that really sich a big deal?
Yeah, I hate it.
 
Charging on the bottom is still the most elegant solution. Why spoil the design with an ugly USB port in the front or back when you really only need it every 2-3 weeks?

No, you can’t use it while it’s charging but is that really sich a big deal?

The Magic Trackpad simply does this better. If you have it connected, it works via USB and also charges. Disconnect it, and you can keep using it.

Yes, they would’ve had to make the mouse slightly thicker for that. But at least you wouldn’t need to charge from the underside.
 
  • Like
Reactions: EugW
Charging on the bottom is still the most elegant solution. Why spoil the design with an ugly USB port in the front or back when you really only need it every 2-3 weeks?

No, you can’t use it while it’s charging but is that really sich a big deal?
It is a terrible design.
 
  • Like
Reactions: transphasic
Really looking forward to the next Mac Mini. The M1 Mac Mini is still the best Mac ever, in terms of power for the price, imo.
I have owned Apple computers since the IIe (yes, that makes me old). I have regretted my M1 Mac Mini purchase greatly. Underpowered. Not enough RAM, no removable/upgradeable SSD (or RAM). Upgrading from the factory is ridiculously overpriced. Mine (16GB RAM, 1TB SSD) struggles to run more than 1 powerful app at a time. I frequently have to shut down a browser or other apps just to type an email. I have to restart every other day or so just to get it to do simple tasks like type an email without a several second lag for the letters to actual appear on the email or document.

I hope the M2 version is a significant update that adds more performance, RAM & SSD options that aren't overpriced like usual. 1TB SSD is too small in today's world. I added my own external to compensate, but it really isn't the best solution, imo.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Charlie Swee
I have owned Apple computers since the IIe (yes, that makes me old). I have regretted my M1 Mac Mini purchase greatly. Underpowered. Not enough RAM, no removable/upgradeable SSD (or RAM). Upgrading from the factory is ridiculously overpriced. Mine (16GB RAM, 1TB SSD) struggles to run more than 1 powerful app at a time. I frequently have to shut down a browser or other apps just to type an email. I have to restart every other day or so just to get it to do simple tasks like type an email without a several second lag for the letters to actual appear on the email or document.

I hope the M2 version is a significant update that adds more performance, RAM & SSD options that aren't overpriced like usual. 1TB SSD is too small in today's world. I added my own external to compensate, but it really isn't the best solution, imo.
I haven't had any problems with my M1 MM, nor have I regretted the purchase.

But, you realize that the M1 Mac mini is an entry level Mac? My statement was the that for the amount of power it has compared to the price, the MM has the best value.

Inflation adjusted, it is the cheapest Mac that Apple has ever sold new. Actually, when adjusting for inflation, the current retail price of the M1 MM ($699) would calculate to about $250 in 1984 when the retail price of the Apple IIe was $1400. The M1 MM can often be found much cheaper than that.

While it is very cheap, the single-core performance of the M1 MM is better than every Mac that existed prior.


That said, I have mentioned on the forum a few times of my disappointment with the M1's sustained multi-core performance, where it is almost on par with high-end iMacs from a decade ago for some tasks.

So, I guess YMMV.

I have to restart every other day or so just to get it to do simple tasks like type an email without a several second lag for the letters to actual appear on the email or document.
Yikes, that would really suck. I only restart my MM for updates, I think the last time I restarted was a month or two ago.

What OS are you running on your MM?

Also, what Mac were you using prior to your M1 MM?
 
Register on MacRumors! This sidebar will go away, and you'll see fewer ads.