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Unless it gets a form factor overhaul (which I do not expect), I don't expect the M2 Mac mini to get a significant increase in price in the US. The price increases will occur in other countries due to forex changes. In Canada I'm predicting a CA$50 increase across the board. (The CAD has dropped against the USD, but it's been a single-digit percentage drop, way less than the UKP for example.)

I suppose what they could do is keep the base model as M1, and only sell M2 as a higher end model. IOW, I mean they could have the 8/256 SKU be M1, and have M2 start at 8/512 or something like that.
 
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The first Mac I ever owned was a Power Computing PowerTower Pro 225 with a whopping 64MB of RAM...!

That is not a Mac. It had the licensed logic board but built by a completely independent company not contracted by Apple and allowed to run the macOS back then. Unsure how the performance compared but it's definitely led to the Intel hackintosh era.
 
Count on Studio staying in the mix. It fills a need that Mini cannot reach and MP is too complex and expensive for. Just the right performance for midrange creative usages like art directors, photogs, graphic designers, etc.
You're probably 100% correct.

Yet I think the Mac Mini M2 Pro and possibly room for an M2 Max is possible in the lineup.

The Studio could be slightly taller, and bigger in width/height dimensions (think a squared or rectangular xtc?) tower.
Why this could work today and never worked with the 2013 Mac Pro?

- better thermal cooling, and the termal envelope of M2's design would not need such an elongated heat sync. Then again the M2 Max in the Studio needed one. Maybe liquid cooling could be used yet again?
- allows for proper full length video cards or half-length if Apple chooses.
- NVME PCI3-5 drives ... no need to large HDD or even eSATA drives like yesteryear.
- Stack 2 Mac Studio's high, and 2 long and you get an idea of a great case design.
- I/O would not be hurt with such a design at all.

Smaller size case, allows for more models shipped iPhone 12 to current series Apple removed power block allowing for many more models shipped on a plane or boat. THAT was Apple's costs savings and drummed it up to environmental waste reduction move but that also worked.

By the Studio's smaller design a LOT of people are happy with it, but getting a smaller drive killed your ugprade chances as reported the first month it shipped (unsure if that's changed).

That's my non-engineering based opinion though.
 


With this week's announcements of new iPad Pro, iPad, and Apple TV models out of the way, attention now turns to the Mac. Rumors suggest Apple plans to launch new high-end MacBook Pro and Mac mini models with M2 series chips later this year.

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In his newsletter this week, Bloomberg's Mark Gurman said the initial version of macOS Ventura launching on Monday, October 24 will include support for new 14-inch and 16-inch MacBook Pro models, which he expects to be released in the "near future." The oft-accurate reporter said the new MacBook Pro models will be available with M2 Pro and M2 Max chip options, but he believes there will be minimal other changes to the laptops.

As for the Mac mini, Gurman has previously claimed that new models with both M2 and M2 Pro chip options were in development.

At this point, it seems likely that the new Macs will be announced in November with press releases on the Apple Newsroom site. As noted by Gurman, Apple has launched new Macs in November multiple times in recent years, including the original 16-inch MacBook Pro in 2019 and the first three Macs with the M1 chip in 2020.

The current 14-inch and 16-inch MacBook Pro models with the M1 Pro and M1 Max chips were released in October 2021 and featured a complete redesign with a notch in the display and additional ports like HDMI, MagSafe, and an SD card reader. Apple last updated the base model Mac mini with the M1 chip in November 2020, and it continues to sell higher-priced Intel configurations with Core i5 and Core i7 processor options.

As for the Mac Pro, Gurman now believes that the high-end desktop tower will not be updated with Apple silicon chips until 2023. He has previously reported that the next Mac Pro will be available with M2 Ultra and M2 Extreme chips. The next MacBook Air, 13-inch MacBook Pro, and 24-inch iMac models are also expected to launch next year.

Article Link: New MacBook Pro and Mac Mini With M2 Pro Chips Likely to Launch in November
So Apple has it big event knowing the iPhone is more a upDate than a upGrade and pulls the iPad out of the event and makes it a press release and short infomercial on their website. I bet the new MacBook Pros are going to be the same thing basically just a chip swap M2 for M1 and nothing else. The bad economy has Apple trying to cut corners and call upDates upGrades and hopes all the hardcore fanboys still hand over their wallets.

Apple made this mess when they got there customers used to annual updates. Not the first time Apple has release upDates and called them upGrades. The computer biz doesn't work on schedules like that especially chip making. So now they are stuck trying to decide what to do. Apple needs to release stuff when they truly have upGrades no matter if its a year, eighteen months or two years release when it is actually ready.
 
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I’m running out of internal storage on my iPad and Mac, so both purchase would set me back a whopping $8000. As for the MacBook, I think I might save towards M2 MacBook Pro 14”, maybe also 16” depending on the desk space. I love large screens. Well, gotta save that money first.
That's what I love about my 2012 MacBook Pro; it came with 750GB of storage that I upgraded to 1TB, and later 2TB. I can go up to 4TB of SSD.
 
That is not a Mac. It had the licensed logic board but built by a completely independent company not contracted by Apple and allowed to run the macOS back then. Unsure how the performance compared but it's definitely led to the Intel hackintosh era.

Mac clones were Macs, booting directly into MacOS, just not running on Apple hardware; excepting the EPROM or whatever it was that was needed at the time to allow the hardware to boot MacOS...

Also, the PowerTower Pro would have been grandfathered in when Apple bought Power Computing...! ;^p

Apple switching to Intel CPUs is what lead to the Intel hackintosh era, because there was no hackintosh before Intel...
 
my i7 mac mini canʻt wait to be replaced with an M2!! if anything, i will be able to stream 4k in plex now...
 
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It will be worth it for the M2 if there is a 24 GB option. That would make a LOT of people very, very happy. A 32 GB option would be nice too, but at that point it might just make more sense to get a Mac Studio for most in that situation.


In fact, 24 GB RAM is advantage for some (like me). 32 GB is extreme overkill for me, whereas having more than 16 GB might be a reasonable option, especially since I keep my machines a very long time. The cost to upgrade from 16 GB to 32 GB is US$400, but the cost to upgrade from 16 GB to 24 GB is half that at $200. That US$200 price point makes the more-than-16-GB option much more palatable for many people.


It's quite unlikely to be on 3 nm.
I keep lots of windows open and use an external 4K monitor so memory is a bigger deal for me. If I had an M1 with a better GPU and more RAM, I would be perfectly content. I tried out an M1 Mac Mini with 16GB RAM and it felt sluggish compared to my 2019 16" Core i9 64GB MBP.
 
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Lol. Please don’t be that person that “needs” to update your 14 and 16-inch MBP. You’ll be perfectly fine sitting this one out. Lol.
But what if you have a 16” Intel model from 2019 burning through battery and your pants?
 
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They are running out of time to complete the Apple Silicon transition, if we go by what Apple said in the past they'd have to release a new Mac Pro this year. Perhaps they combine that into one November event with the M2 refreshes.

The M2 Ultra in the Studio could get a new 192GiB memory option, or they might on purpose withhold it on the Studio and keep that at 128GiB, and then offer 192GiB on the Mac Pro. So even if they did this limited/soldered approach for the Pro, that could still be a decent workstation. Although I do hope they have a more elegant solution that allows swappable memory (and at least M.2 expansion slots if not U.2).

Or maybe Apple decides to slap four M1 Max together and call it a day. It would hinder the single core performance, but then most of the applications that are running on such a workstation will support multi-threading anyways.

I don't really care for the 14" and 16" refresh, after all the only significant upgrade will be for people who need more than 64GiB of RAM since they'll have a 96GiB option. But even if I wanted the extra memory, I wouldn't switch my 64GiB Macbook for a new one - I could never justify that huge extra cost, and you can bet Apple will make those 96GiB upgrade option eye-wateringly expensive.
 
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Apple switching to Intel CPUs is what lead to the Intel hackintosh era, because there was no hackintosh before Intel...
Actually, there kinda was - a couple of devices from the 1980s let you run Mac OS (the original, not OS X) on an Atari ST or Amiga. The catch was that you needed the ROMs from an old Mac.

 
An M2 Pro Mini will be very interesting. Will be keen to see how it’s performance matches up with the M1 Max Studio. Very keen to know this as if it performs the same or better, it’ll change my plans on what to purchase.
 
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They are running out of time to complete the Apple Silicon transition, if we go by what Apple said in the past they'd have to release a new Mac Pro this year. Perhaps they combine that into one November event with the M2 refreshes.

The M2 Ultra in the Studio could get a new 192GiB memory option, or they might on purpose withhold it on the Studio and keep that at 128GiB, and then offer 192GiB on the Mac Pro. So even if they did this limited/soldered approach for the Pro, that could still be a decent workstation. Although I do hope they have a more elegant solution that allows swappable memory (and at least M.2 expansion slots if not U.2).

Or maybe Apple decides to slap four M1 Max together and call it a day. It would hinder the single core performance, but then most of the applications that are running on such a workstation will support multi-threading anyways.

I don't really care for the 14" and 16" refresh, after all the only significant upgrade will be for people who need more than 64GiB of RAM since they'll have a 96GiB option. But even if I wanted the extra memory, I wouldn't switch my 64GiB Macbook for a new one - I could never justify that huge extra cost, and you can bet Apple will make those 96GiB upgrade option eye-wateringly expensive.

Unless they hold an event next month, it’s clear they will miss there target for transitioning over to Apple Silicon, which will be interesting to see how investors and the markets react, as they will have told them the transition would be completed in a set time frame. Personally I think they are struggling to give enough performance to justify the no doubt sky high price the Mac Pro will continue to cost. And if it lacks expansion options like all the other Apple Silicon computers it becomes a very questionable price point.
 
It's ridiculous the iPad Pro has a better SOC than the iMac for the next 6-12 months.

Yes, I don’t know why they don’t just offer the M2 in it, and then offer an M2 Pro in it and make it available in a special grey colour for that spec. The new iMac is a great design being wasted at present, but maybe they’ll update it.
 
Apple can release whatever they want - only US and UK can afford to buy it at this point.
I can already see youtube reviewers flooding with native American or British accent: Why you should buy the new MBP 😂


The rest of us, will be sitting in our living rooms, eating macaroni and cheese and watching those.

Ahh... one or two will be ASMR unboxing so we can fall asleep with the fork in the mouth, dreaming of owning a device which many of us don't really need. :p

No… only the US can afford to buy them as their economy is far better currently, here in the U.K. we are in a financial mess and most things have shot up in price, including most of Apples devices. When you don’t know how much energy bills will be next April, you aren’t going to be blowing money on new toys.
 
Yet I think the Mac Mini M2 Pro and possibly room for an M2 Max is possible in the lineup.
There's a gap in the lineup at ~$1400 for a Mx Pro small-form-factor desktop (whether it's a "Mini" or a "Studio" comes down to the size of the heatsink... a Mx Pro mini without the extra ports supported by the Pro SoC would be silly) but I don't think it will happen with the current, transitional processor lineup.

First - the big sellers for the Mx Pro/Max series are going to be the MacBook Pros, and Apple's priority will be to launch those and fulfil the initial surge of orders before putting them in lower-selling desktops. Maybe they'll come out Real Soon Now, 1 year after the last MBPs, but nobody will be sending out a search party until the current models are 18 months old - and it's also vaguely plausible that Apple could leave them until 3nm chips are available.

Second - any reasonable guess at the specs of a "M2 Pro" would have it's faster CPU cores beating the M1 Max at single and multithreaded CPU tasks, and it's faster/additional GPU cores giving at least the 24-GPU M1 Max a run for its money. It would be odd (and annoying) if, 6 months after the Studio Max was released, it was beaten by a cheaper Mac Mini Pro. That problem goes away once the Studio gets M2 Max/Ultra - but I don't think that's going to be soon,

That said, one of the annoying things about Apple's Mac (and iPad) range in the past is that they don't seem able/willing to keep the whole range up to date and in step, so who knows...

Longer term - and depending on what happens with the Mac Pro - the whole Mini/Studio/Pro range might get rationalised.

Why this could work today and never worked with the 2013 Mac Pro?
I think that's an important question - in many ways the Mac Studio is the 2013 Mac Pro "perfected". I would add some other reasons why the :

1. They let the previous Mac Pro "cheese grater" die before even announcing the trashcan - the last update had been met with derision and it had been discontinued in Europe for a year by the time the Trashcan came out. So users were forced to buy a radically different machine before they were ready. This time round, the 2019 MP is still available, reasonably up-to-date, has seen some updated GPU options (and could easily get a CPU update) and the Studio is being offered as an alternative. Yes, it's still Intel, but I think that (or AMD) is still the best choice if you want a "big box'o'slots" machine and trying to force Apple Silicon to do a Xeon/Threadripper's job would be a mistake.

2. The Trashcan never saw an update - apart from rotating out the base model - partly because Intel/AMD never produced new chips that would have worked with the thermal design (that's according to Apple - the only flaw that they really acknowledged). With the Studio, Apple controls the processor and GPU design, so for that to happen again would be... carelesss.

3. The design relies on Thunderbolt, and Thunderbolt 3/4/USB 4/USB-C are somewhat better established now than in 2012. The need for PCIe hasn't gone away, but it is shrinking. Apple still have to prove that Apple Silicon GPUs can beat external PCIe/MPX GPUs at the Mac Pro level - but at least they have an argument now.

4. I think the final demise of the Trashcan involved a lot of internal politics and mishandled relationships with key developers. You could see the blood on the carpet at that 2017 press briefing. My speculation is that the iMac Pro was intended to become the "new 2017 Mac Pro" - it would have been at an advanced stage of development at that time, just about ready to show to key partners (who probably laughed it out of the house).

I'm not saying it is going to happen - but it might be quite sensible for Apple to keep the 2019 Mac Pro supported and up-to-date and keep Apple Silicon for the sort of laptop/small-form-factor/FCPx Appliance applications that it excels at. My suggestion for an Apple Silicon "pro" Mac would be a Mx Max in a 1U rackmount form factor that could be clustered and racked up with storage, PCIe cages, A/V equipment via fast TB4 links.

Apple could make an ARM based "Xeon W Killer" with 2TB DDR5 RAM support and loadsa PCIe but it would be an expensive exercise, and a lot of the Apple Silicon advantage seems to come with unified on-package RAM and on-die GPUs.

They are running out of time to complete the Apple Silicon transition
The hand wavy "transition should take about 2 years" comment at the Apple Silicon announcement really doesn't commit them to anything. There have been one or two unexpected road bumps since then, but despite that they've got everything they need transitioned except the 2019 Mac Pro - and I think there's a possibility that the MP won't get replaced. If the 2019 MP hadn't happened, the Studio Max/Ultra & matching displays would be a perfectly credible replacement for the Trashcan and iMac Pro.
 
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