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Someone made a claim that the GPU included with the 13inch model is close to the 9400M - the reality is anything but that. Benchmarks that were leaked a while ago showed that at the worse case scenario it was equal to the 320/330. The only thing that will let down the GPU isn't the hardware but whether the driver and OpenGL stack are properly optimised. Given how close Lion is to being released (in the next 6 months) I wonder whether the focus has been more on getting Lion optimised than spending a tonne of time on optimising Snow Leopard.

the gpu in the 13" mbp should only be in a netbook and not a mbp for the price
 
Why are there 27 negatives????? The only conclusion I can come to as to why people would find this as a negative thing is because their upset that their 2010 macbook pros now look like netbooks.

Netbooks? :D I own a mid-2009 MacBook Pro and I couldn't give a damn about these silly benchmarks. Because in the real world I know my MBP has more than enough power and performance for my needs. I'm not about to drop a couple thousand on a new machine just because some benchmarking geek is getting all hot and excited about a bunch of numbers that are totally irrelevant to the way most people use their computers.
 
I'm hoping someone who has already received their Quad Core i7 machine
will give us Temperature Monitor readings on these processors.
So far for my quad 15" (2.3/6750m), idle is at 38C @ 2000rpm. This is with iChat, Mail, and browsing via Safari with multiple tabs.
 
I bought a new 13" 2.3 GHz yesterday. It clocked in at 6002 on Geekbench.

Interestingly, on Cinebench, when it did the multiple CPU render test it looked like it had four cores--not 2. And the multiprocessor speedup was given as 2.26.

This is literally the fastest Mac I've ever owned--and it is sobering to see that my base model is as fast as the former top of the line. That's a remarkable increase, whatever nits people may pick.

Unless you're just commenting, the reason it looked like it had four cores may be because of the hyperthreading.
 
Thanks, that sounds pretty darn good so far.

Any reading on the Memory Controller Heatsink and Logic Board Backside?

It would be interesting to know how those temps change in turbo boost
or under heavy processing, but those temps seem quite reasonable.
 
Thanks, that sounds pretty darn good so far.

Any reading on the Memory Controller Heatsink and Logic Board Backside?

It would be interesting to know how those temps change in turbo boost
or under heavy processing, but those temps seem quite reasonable.

The rest of the system seems pretty normal. Definitely not as hot as my 2007 C2D 2.33
 

I wonder why the latest 15" 2.2 is missing here.

and why does the 17inch 2.3 perform better than the 15" 2.3


is it coz there's more room for the elves to do their thing??
 
the gpu in the 13" mbp should only be in a netbook and not a mbp for the price

Based on what evidence? Does it perform equal or better than 320/330/ATI5400? yes. Worse case scenario it is a side-grade rather than an upgrade. Dear god, what next, you're going to refuse to purchase one because OpenCL is done using AVX rather than the video card? focus on the end result and not the method of getting from A -> B.
 
Based on what evidence? Does it perform equal or better than 320/330/ATI5400? yes. Worse case scenario it is a side-grade rather than an upgrade. Dear god, what next, you're going to refuse to purchase one because OpenCL is done using AVX rather than the video card? focus on the end result and not the method of getting from A -> B.

First off, just to get facts straight, the Intel HD 3000 is slightly WORSE than the GeForce 320M it replaces on the 13" MacBook Pro. This is a bummer if you were originally going to buy that thing more for its graphics prowess than its CPU, though it's not like the CPU bump is nothing to celebrate. If your needs are more graphics intensive, you won't like the new 13" Pro as much as the old. If you're doing solid number crunching or things that graphics don't matter for, the new one will be rad.

Secondly, question, do the Intel HD 3000 graphics use OpenCL? I thought they didn't at all, which had me wondering why Apple would adopt them if OpenCL is such a big deal for them.
 
First off, just to get facts straight, the Intel HD 3000 is slightly WORSE than the GeForce 320M it replaces on the 13" MacBook Pro. This is a bummer if you were originally going to buy that thing more for its graphics prowess than its CPU, though it's not like the CPU bump is nothing to celebrate. If your needs are more graphics intensive, you won't like the new 13" Pro as much as the old. If you're doing solid number crunching or things that graphics don't matter for, the new one will be rad.

If you were doing number crunching or something graphics intensive you wouldn't be getting a 13.3inch - you'd either get something bigger or shock horror purchase a workstation!

Secondly, question, do the Intel HD 3000 graphics use OpenCL? I thought they didn't at all, which had me wondering why Apple would adopt them if OpenCL is such a big deal for them.

I already answered the second question - no it doesn't. Again, OpenCL uses the best method to achieve the end result; again, benchmarks show that AVX performance is simply 'awesome' for the lack of a better word.
 
If you were doing number crunching or something graphics intensive you wouldn't be getting a 13.3inch - you'd either get something bigger or shock horror purchase a workstation!

Well, no, you can do number crunching just fine on a 13" MacBook Pro, and I never said it was the ideal gaming machine, I just said that the HD 3000 is a downgrade from the 320M, albeit a slight one.

I already answered the second question - no it doesn't. Again, OpenCL uses the best method to achieve the end result; again, benchmarks show that AVX performance is simply 'awesome' for the lack of a better word.

I couldn't tell if you were being sarcastic or if you were serious about that. My apologies.
 
Its not just that the speed is so good ...

Its the Battery life as well.

My old 2009 unibody 2.53 core 2 at most would get an hour of time out of a fresh brand new battery. When you went into bootcamp this quickly became 30-40 min at most. If I ran a game forget it the MBP would heat up and drain the battery in 35 min. The 2011 2.2 i7 and 6750M - Runs my full hour + train ride with over an hour more battery life to spare and I was testing Crysis and Elder Scrolls Oblivion (maxed) the whole time.

Battery Life is AMAZING!!!!!:)
 

I wonder why the latest 15" 2.2 is missing here.

and why does the 17inch 2.3 perform better than the 15" 2.3


is it coz there's more room for the elves to do their thing??


I think its just a fluke, I just got a 15" 2.3 with antiglare and it scored 11206 right out of the box! So its the same as the 17"
 
How is OpenCL performance like - specifically Adobe Media Encoder CS5 IIRC the h264 encoder uses OpenCL.

More interesting will be the numbers when the on-chip special h.264 encoders are used by software.

No one will care about OpenCL encoding once the plugins support the on-chip encoder (or if OpenCL leverages the on-chip encoder for encoding, although directly accessing on-chip would probably be faster than using a general purpose wrapper).
 
I think its just a fluke, I just got a 15" 2.3 with antiglare and it scored 11206 right out of the box! So its the same as the 17"

Just came bake from best buy saw the new MBP 17" (I have MBP 17" 10 month old)
I was checking it out only for the point of view e mail and internet surfing
my MBP with the Nvidia video card look much better,
so if you don't use it with extra monitor or as pro photographer just stay, and upgrate when OS lion comes out.
and by then Sandy bridge will support higher RAM,
 
Just came bake from best buy saw the new MBP 17" (I have MBP 17" 10 month old)
I was checking it out only for the point of view e mail and internet surfing
my MBP with the Nvidia video card look much better,
so if you don't use it with extra monitor or as pro photographer just stay, and upgrate when OS lion comes out.
and by then Sandy bridge will support higher RAM,

I was thinking about the 17", but I travel and carry my MBP around with me and the 17" is just too big. I had a 17" Powerbook G4 back in the day. I was going to hold out for the next release, but I coudnt do it. I have a 2.4 Santa Rosa MBP 15" and I have someone who wants to buy it so I said what the heck and pulled the trigger.

Now watch the next model will be a complete redesign, have an SSD standard for the OS along with the 750GB, 16GB ram stock, but oh well if that happens, I still love this new MBP, its like night and day compared to my old MBP. :D
 
To hell with it, I'm going to order one of these tonight and break my 10 year track record of buying refurb/outgoing models.
I thought about waiting until I upgraded my DSLR (the eminent but thus far elusive 5D MarkIII ) but I figure I'll be good to go the minute that beast is finally released.
Until then the video and panoramas I've been stitching together in PS will be a lot easier to wrangle.
 
More interesting will be the numbers when the on-chip special h.264 encoders are used by software.

No one will care about OpenCL encoding once the plugins support the on-chip encoder (or if OpenCL leverages the on-chip encoder for encoding, although directly accessing on-chip would probably be faster than using a general purpose wrapper).

Knowing Apple they'll probably want developers to stick to OpenCL or leverage AV Foundation plugins which will either link to the CPU features or through some abstraction so that it is easier maintain as the CPU's evolve. I wonder what Apple has in store - maybe this will be the one of the big things that Apple will talk about in the WWDC presentations this year.

Interesting enough applications for Lion will have to use XCode 4.1 which IIRC compiler defaults to CLANG-LLVM, 4.0 defaulted to GCC-LLVM - I wonder where the libcxx library stands in all of this.
 
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