Brace yourself Emericans, we will be the guinea pigs before next year you also WILL lose the charger.
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New MacBook Pro Does Not Include a Charger in the Box in Europe
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How about blame the corporate greed and penny pinching.
"a decision it has attributed to its environmental goals."
In other words: "so the rich can keep flying private jets"
In other words: "so the rich can keep flying private jets"
what are you on about ? I just checked the French, Dutch, German and Belgian stores ... all of them include a charger, be it the 70W or the 140W depending on the model MBP ...
edit: was too quick apparently - standard you effectively do not get a charger for the M5 models :-/
edit: was too quick apparently - standard you effectively do not get a charger for the M5 models :-/
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Gets even better - i can select a charger on the German apple site IF i upgrade the RAM from 16 to 24GB (for 70 EUR extra). If i stick with the base at 16 GB ram - the power supply option is greyed out
edit just checked - also works if i upgrade the SSD.
So where is the option that includes a charger for the same price?
MBP's from 2027 onwards won't include keycaps. You'll have to swap them over from your old MBP.
In UK you cant get a charger on the M5 models at all, but can get a 70w charger free with the base M4 Pro !?!Gets even better - i can select a charger on the German apple site IF i upgrade the RAM from 16 to 24GB (for 70 EUR extra). If i stick with the base at 16 GB ram - the power supply option is greyed out
edit just checked - also works if i upgrade the SSD.
What a **** take. It is a COMPUTER!! Here's your new computer, great and how do I charge it up? Well you can do that sir for an additional cost...
It's like owning an electric car with no home charger..
It's like owning an electric car with no home charger..
100 watt USB-C chargers are pretty cheap in the USA. You can get an Anker 317 100 watt charger for US$29.95 from Amazon.
The UK is not part of the EU.
How do I sell my M2 MacBook without the charger I need to keep for the M5?
I'm honestly surprised this many people even use the Apple charger(s).
I find all the various 3rd party options with multiple ports and better size/shape considerations to be far more compelling.
I find all the various 3rd party options with multiple ports and better size/shape considerations to be far more compelling.
For Tim Cook, it's all about money and profit.
Maybe instead of worrying about the "charger pollution," it would be less hypocritical — and far more useful — to focus on the pollution caused by the entire product.
Polluting less, before even talking about recycling or all of Apple’s marketing nonsense about “recycled materials,” simply means one thing: producing less.
But that’s the one discussion no one (not just Apple) wants to have.
And what does “producing less” actually mean? Simple: make products that last as long as possible — not disposable gadgets, but devices that can be updated, not thrown away.
Another idea: why even make “low-level” products? Why not focus on high-end models only, and use refurbished versions of previous generations — cosmetically renewed and with a new battery — to fill the mid and low tiers? That would truly reduce waste.
I have a MacBook Air M2 that I was 100% satisfied with, except for the 256GB storage.
I managed to upgrade it to 2TB (and nearly doubled its speed with dual modules), extending its lifespan significantly. But Apple makes this kind of work almost impossible — and most people even believe it is impossible — instead of simply offering it as a service.
The MacBook Air M2, M3, and M4 are basically the same product — same chassis, same battery, same screen — just a different chip. Yet if you want an upgrade, you have to throw away a perfectly good display and enclosure just to buy a new one identical to the old one. That’s shameful.
And of course, this isn’t just Apple — all industries are guilty. Cars are even worse: 1,500 kg of metal and plastic, with zero official upgrade paths. If you want a newer infotainment system (which might weigh 1 kg), you have to replace the entire car. Find the logic in that.
Apple, though, deserves special mention because it set the trend for closed, non-upgradeable products — among the first to make batteries non-replaceable, or at least not easily. And everyone else copied. So it takes some serious nerve (and hypocrisy) for Apple to lecture the world about being “green.” It’s like a pyromaniac bragging about planting ten trees after burning down ten forests.
The truth is that Apple’s philosophy has always been Design over everything — over environment, features, and even ergonomics.
If adding a tiny access door to replace a component makes the line less “pure,” or adds half a millimeter of thickness, it’s rejected. The result must be a seamless monolith — like something out of 2001: A Space Odyssey.
And people love it, because we’ve been trained to. I once saw a young person disgusted by a device that had a visible screw, calling it “ugly.” Poor fool — it’s not ugly, it’s practical.
Polluting less, before even talking about recycling or all of Apple’s marketing nonsense about “recycled materials,” simply means one thing: producing less.
But that’s the one discussion no one (not just Apple) wants to have.
And what does “producing less” actually mean? Simple: make products that last as long as possible — not disposable gadgets, but devices that can be updated, not thrown away.
Another idea: why even make “low-level” products? Why not focus on high-end models only, and use refurbished versions of previous generations — cosmetically renewed and with a new battery — to fill the mid and low tiers? That would truly reduce waste.
I have a MacBook Air M2 that I was 100% satisfied with, except for the 256GB storage.
I managed to upgrade it to 2TB (and nearly doubled its speed with dual modules), extending its lifespan significantly. But Apple makes this kind of work almost impossible — and most people even believe it is impossible — instead of simply offering it as a service.
The MacBook Air M2, M3, and M4 are basically the same product — same chassis, same battery, same screen — just a different chip. Yet if you want an upgrade, you have to throw away a perfectly good display and enclosure just to buy a new one identical to the old one. That’s shameful.
And of course, this isn’t just Apple — all industries are guilty. Cars are even worse: 1,500 kg of metal and plastic, with zero official upgrade paths. If you want a newer infotainment system (which might weigh 1 kg), you have to replace the entire car. Find the logic in that.
Apple, though, deserves special mention because it set the trend for closed, non-upgradeable products — among the first to make batteries non-replaceable, or at least not easily. And everyone else copied. So it takes some serious nerve (and hypocrisy) for Apple to lecture the world about being “green.” It’s like a pyromaniac bragging about planting ten trees after burning down ten forests.
The truth is that Apple’s philosophy has always been Design over everything — over environment, features, and even ergonomics.
If adding a tiny access door to replace a component makes the line less “pure,” or adds half a millimeter of thickness, it’s rejected. The result must be a seamless monolith — like something out of 2001: A Space Odyssey.
And people love it, because we’ve been trained to. I once saw a young person disgusted by a device that had a visible screw, calling it “ugly.” Poor fool — it’s not ugly, it’s practical.
