New MacBook Pro Models Coming at WWDC, Suggests Leaker

[Flight Plan]

As someone who pre-pandemic gave presentations in many, many venues -- for the past 5+ years, they've ALL had an HDMI cable sticking out to plug your laptop into an Epson projector. EVERY venue. I'd also argue that Apple should have included VGA ports in its pro laptops prior to that -- because every venue had a VGA cable sticking out to plug into their Epson projector.

Yes, the big companies all have HDMI cables sticking out of the conference room desk.

I'll be the first to buy one, but I just hope high-end audio interface gear can achieve compatibility with the M processors soon. Apogee estimates Fall 2021. UA doesn't have an estimate. In the meantime, my 16" 8-core i9 MBP scalds my thighs worse than the any McDonald's coffee. I'm sooooo bummed about how much I spent on that 16" laptop back in 2020. I bought it for live stage use, but compared to my 2014 i7 iMac, the MBP single core processor speed is just too slow to keep latency down in a Logic session. If the M2 MBP is faster and quieter, it'll be a great companion for techno-savvy kids in bands.

For me it's UA and Focusrite.

I'm calling this one "random guessing" based entirely on the claim of a 10-core chip with 8 performance cores and 2 efficiency cores.

So he may be off by a core here or a core there.

Exactly. Your presentation is effectively cancelled if you misplace your USB-C to HDMI dongle.

For corporate use, I would want at least one HDMI port.

No, no, no. Every venue for presentations has an Epson projector with an HDMI cable sticking out. Every single one of them. Without a dongle, current MacBooks cannot present.

There are "some" smart conference rooms that have a board that you connect to through the corporate WIFI, using something akin to Two Factor Authentication. That works well, but it requires infrastructure that hasn't been built in every company.

If colour options are available the howls of outrage will be deafening. If white bezels appear and/or Space Gray isn’t available the screams will be ear piercing.

This thread is howling AND piercing!

They’d be really freaked out by how much Porsche charges if you want to upgrade to colored tire valve stems.

lol!

You’ll never convince the whiners. At best you’ll get them to acknowledge that it’s merely about convenience for them. After that they’re more likely to claim that no one needs four tb3 than to admit that they just don’t care if their convenience makes others’ workflows flat out impossible.

Both sides has its own fair share of whiners, and you know it.

Filed for claim chowder.

That's funny and I have no idea why!

2020 - Apple Silicon
2019 - new Mac Pro, Pro XDR display
2017 - new ipad pro models, iMac Pro, Homepod

Yep, they "NEVER" announce hardware at WWDC, lol!

At least they're owning their "flexible factage"!

How would you do HDMI 2.1 without using up a TB channel? HDMI 2.1 is 48 Gbps, and the TB channels are only 40Gbps - a dongle wouldn’t get you there.

I thought TB was supposed to be daisy-chainable. Whatever happened to that?

lol, just remember HE left by his own devices/choice. For all you know this new MBP series is probably designed by him or his company...

Wouldn't that be a riot!

I am going to make a wild guess and say that most people who chose to buy a laptop do not want to run four 4K monitors, in fact most of them will just use the laptop's screen or 1 external screen.

If you use 4 screens you are probably a desktop person who should have bought a desktop machine.

My corporate laptop (not a Mac) uses 3 monitors both at home and in the office. Docking ports make it easy.

That's a bit harsh! I think @MacBH928 's comment is reasonably informed. If you have a massive working space with 4 monitors, you are clearly "not mobile" with that set-up, so why would you accept the compromises inherent in a laptop computer?

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You don't need a "massive working space" for 4 monitors, although 3 are more doable in a corporate setting. Just use a 3-monitor stand. Then you have only 1 footprint. Works well in a corporate OR home environment. My corporate laptop's built-in screen hasn't been used in more than 14 months. And I work almost every day.

You're clearly "not mobile" any any external display on a monitor (those dinky 15.6" 1080p "portable monitor" aside). The same logic applies to one or four. Why have a laptop at all. The answer is because it's still usable without the monitors, but they can increase productivity when you're at a desk.

It is odd how people try to claim that using a laptop with multiple monitors is not mobile and shouldn't even be done. That the hell, dude? I can dock and undock very quickly. And if I am meeting with people in a conference room or hotel lobby, I can open the lid on my laptop and work that way. Sheesh, how do we get off saying that somebody who wants multiple monitors shouldn't do it with a laptop?

 

[sparkie7]

"The new MacBook Pros will feature the most radical redesign to the MacBook Pro lineup since 2016."

Yeah, Apple is planning to reintroduce the MagSafe port LOL!!

 

[cmaier]

"The new MacBook Pros will feature the most radical redesign to the MacBook Pro lineup since 2016."

Yeah, Apple is planning to reintroduce the MagSafe port LOL!!

Yes. That is the only change. Not:

1) the fact that it will eliminate the curved bottom and top edge
2) add additional ports
3) replace the four corner feet with long anti-slide strips
4) completely change the architecture of the system
5) go from 13.5”->14” for the smaller of the two

 

[MacBH928]

Yes, the big companies all have HDMI cables sticking out of the conference room desk.

For me it's UA and Focusrite.

So he may be off by a core here or a core there.


For corporate use, I would want at least one HDMI port.


There are "some" smart conference rooms that have a board that you connect to through the corporate WIFI, using something akin to Two Factor Authentication. That works well, but it requires infrastructure that hasn't been built in every company.

This thread is howling AND piercing!

lol!

Both sides has its own fair share of whiners, and you know it.

That's funny and I have no idea why!

Yep, they "NEVER" announce hardware at WWDC, lol!

At least they're owning their "flexible factage"!

I thought TB was supposed to be daisy-chainable. Whatever happened to that?

Wouldn't that be a riot!

My corporate laptop (not a Mac) uses 3 monitors both at home and in the office. Docking ports make it easy.

You don't need a "massive working space" for 4 monitors, although 3 are more doable in a corporate setting. Just use a 3-monitor stand. Then you have only 1 footprint. Works well in a corporate OR home environment. My corporate laptop's built-in screen hasn't been used in more than 14 months. And I work almost every day.

It is odd how people try to claim that using a laptop with multiple monitors is not mobile and shouldn't even be done. That the hell, dude? I can dock and undock very quickly. And if I am meeting with people in a conference room or hotel lobby, I can open the lid on my laptop and work that way. Sheesh, how do we get off saying that somebody who wants multiple monitors shouldn't do it with a laptop?

I think you are in the minority of the laptop customer base. I seriously doubt most people buy a laptop to run it on 3 or four screens.

 

[Arthur75]

I think you are in the minority of the laptop customer base. I seriously doubt most people buy a laptop to run it on 3 or four screens.

Maybe not 3 or 4 screens, but I guess quite a lot of people use their laptops a lot (if not mostly) in clamshell mode on a desktop(s) display. My case at least. It has the big advantage of having a single machine, no need to install stuff on different machines, etc.
Only downside maybe, is that I had to change the battery 3 times on my MBP 13 TB late 2016 : first time under warranty, and then 2 more times, each time swollen (with the MBP not really closing properly anymore), but I leave it on almost 24/24, not really the thing to do ..

 

[nanosaur]

radical redesign to the MacBook Pro lineup since 2016

I mean ... that's a friggin low bar. After nearly a decade of getting thinner whilst looking basically the same, in 2016 Apple went CRAZY and ... went thinner whilst looking basically the same. Sure they got rid of the usefull ports and it took them 3 years to make the thinner keyboard work, but it was still basically the same, just thinner.

Lets be honest, it's introduce the imac colours or go home right?

New design, whatever. It's been a long time since apple really pushed the envelope there, I don't expect much. It's all about what's under the heatsink on the new pro

 

[Warped9]

Seriously, how different can you make a laptop? Some already have almost nonexistent bezels. And it can get only so thin before you start having serious problems of structural rigidity. And you can go only so thin without sacrificing necessary ports. Round corners or square? Tapered edges or flat?

After those details it’s basically a matter of colour and finish.

 

[cmaier]

Seriously, how different can you make a laptop? Some already have almost nonexistent bezels. And it can get only so thin before you start having serious problems of structural rigidity. And you can go only so thin without sacrificing necessary ports. Round corners or square? Tapered edges or flat?

After those details it’s basically a matter of colour and finish.

Lots of things apple *could* do. There have been rumors of new hinge designs and removable keyboards, touch-sensitive keys, keys with displays, they could do pencil support with some mechanism to fold the screen flat or the keyboard back, they could add touch support, they could have the screen cantilevered over the keyboard like the ipad with magic keyboard, etc. So lots of different ways you COULD make a laptop.

But the most universally useful is more or less the form factor we have now (and which apple helped pioneer). That said, I do expect at least pencil support someday, so interested in seeing how they make that work.

 

[Warped9]

A cantilevered screen seems like unnecessary complexity.

 

[cmaier]

A cantilevered screen like unnecessary complexity.

There are advantages and disadvantages.

 

[Makosuke]

Lots of things apple *could* do. There have been rumors of new hinge designs and removable keyboards, touch-sensitive keys, keys with displays, they could do pencil support with some mechanism to fold the screen flat or the keyboard back, they could add touch support, they could have the screen cantilevered over the keyboard like the ipad with magic keyboard, etc. So lots of different ways you COULD make a laptop.

But the most universally useful is more or less the form factor we have now (and which apple helped pioneer). That said, I do expect at least pencil support someday, so interested in seeing how they make that work.

That kind of sums up my view of laptops:

Yes, there's a lot of stuff you could do to one (most of which would make it less a laptop and more a different kind of portable computer). I've seen a number of those from other manufacturers, particularly things like flippy-hybrid tablets. None of which, to date, has ever made me feel like I wanted to buy one over a "basic" laptop.

And there there's a reason that the vast majority of them all have essentially the same form factor: it works well for what it's supposed to do. Kind of like how nearly every consumer vehicle on the road has functionally the same layout as every other vehicle in its class--they've converged on that shape because it works. Likewise virtually every range in every kitchen--it looks like that because it works like that.

Lots of products eventually converge on a particular form that is essentially the most functional design.

I'm not saying there could not be some different form factor of laptops eventually that works better or adds genuine value to the way it's used, but thus far I have yet to see it.

 

[dooyou]

So far, no other rumours have surfaced, not even those from other leakers. Seems not anything but hot air?

 

[Arthur75]

So far, no other rumours have surfaced, not even those from other leakers. Seems not anything but hot air?

A bit scary indeed ..

 

[Unregistered 4U]

A cantilevered screen seems like unnecessary complexity.

But, if they put all the guts in the lid n order to provide the thickness needed for a higher quality camera (and to continue this trend of making Macs easier to make by using iPad designs), it’d be one of the few lightweight ways to solve the problem. Don’t know if they’d go kickstand with it.

 

[MacBH928]

Maybe not 3 or 4 screens, but I guess quite a lot of people use their laptops a lot (if not mostly) in clamshell mode on a desktop(s) display. My case at least. It has the big advantage of having a single machine, no need to install stuff on different machines, etc.
Only downside maybe, is that I had to change the battery 3 times on my MBP 13 TB late 2016 : first time under warranty, and then 2 more times, each time swollen (with the MBP not really closing properly anymore), but I leave it on almost 24/24, not really the thing to do ..

Wouldn't it make more sense to carry an SSD between two machines than one laptop? Even a Mac Mini sounds a better solution, but I don't know if a MacMini supports 4 screens.

 

[Arthur75]

Wouldn't it make more sense to carry an SSD between two machines than one laptop? Even a Mac Mini sounds a better solution, but I don't know if a MacMini supports 4 screens.

The point is not four screens, I use a single 4K one, and the point is not really the data (although it is for the critical one), but most of it on a NAS, the point is a single machine with the exact same environment, apps installed, OS upgrades, etc.

 

[Fomalhaut]

Wouldn't it make more sense to carry an SSD between two machines than one laptop? Even a Mac Mini sounds a better solution, but I don't know if a MacMini supports 4 screens.

Any of the M1 Macs could support 4 screens with DisplayLink...but probably not at 4K resolution.

I used a DisplayLink dock with my M1 and 2 x FHD screens for a while but it did have some issues (occasional loss of screen connectivity, needing to unplug after reboot etc.). The actual screen refresh rate was pretty good - I watched moved and edited video without noticeable lag. I moved to a Caldigit TB3 dock and it is a more reliable experience in terms of the screens reliably waking up.

 

[Fomalhaut]

The point is not four screens, I use a single 4K one, and the point is not really the data (although it is for the critical one), but most of it on a NAS, the point is a single machine with the exact same environment, apps installed, OS upgrades, etc.

Yes, this is primary benefit of a laptop, provided it has enough grunt to run all your applications, and can support the necessary number of external screens.

For some software there are licensing concerns as well. You may only have a single-machine licence, although many products allow a mobile plus desktop installation (e.g. Davinci Resolve Studio, MS Office)

 

[DesertDrummer]

That is certainly possible. That would be a long time to make people wait, though. I suppose we will find out shortly. lol I still think Prosser is wrong. He just made an announcement because he needs clickbait revenue and his ego can't take not being center stage.

Just wanted to say, you were totally right. I knew there was a possibility, but I had some hope. I really am looking forward to a new MBP 16". Guess it'll come later this year. That's fine.

Also...IMO Prosser is now so discredited that MR shouldn't bother with his "leaks" anymore. I think Apple may have a plant deliberately feeding him misinformation, even.

 

[Apple_Robert]

Just wanted to say, you were totally right. I knew there was a possibility, but I had some hope. I really am looking forward to a new MBP 16". Guess it'll come later this year. That's fine.

Also...IMO Prosser is now so discredited that MR shouldn't bother with his "leaks" anymore. I think Apple may have a plant deliberately feeding him misinformation, even.

I appreciate the post DD. Respect.

MR will keep giving Proser free front page advertising. They don't care if he is wrong. Posting him gets the clicks and that is the kind of revenue they are after.

You bring up a very good point about playing the mole game. I have no proof mind you but, I think Apple has really stepped up their hunt to find internal leakers and using Prosser is an easy way to go about it.

 

[Unregistered 4U]

Also...IMO Prosser is now so discredited that MR shouldn't bother with his "leaks" anymore. I think Apple may have a plant deliberately feeding him misinformation, even.

I doubt he has any information, it’s just that he’s forced to say “something” to keep his legion of ardent fans at bay. Since he’s able to “spin” with them, it doesn’t even matter that he’s wrong. I mean, I could imagine how “APPLE’S TRYING TO DISCREDIT ME BY ARTIFICIALLY FORCING MY PREDICTIONS TO NOT COME TRUE.” would be a good little storyline for a year or so (storyline, of course meaning the same as it does when referred to wrestling ).

Hmmm, maybe we’ll see him attack AppleTrack, too. Discredit all the sources that disagree with you or something like that.

 

[MacCheetah3]

Lots of things apple *could* do. There have been rumors of new hinge designs and removable keyboards, touch-sensitive keys, keys with displays, they could do pencil support with some mechanism to fold the screen flat or the keyboard back, they could add touch support, they could have the screen cantilevered over the keyboard like the ipad with magic keyboard, etc. So lots of different ways you COULD make a laptop.

But the most universally useful is more or less the form factor we have now (and which apple helped pioneer). That said, I do expect at least pencil support someday, so interested in seeing how they make that work.

That kind of sums up my view of laptops:

Yes, there's a lot of stuff you could do to one (most of which would make it less a laptop and more a different kind of portable computer). I've seen a number of those from other manufacturers, particularly things like flippy-hybrid tablets. None of which, to date, has ever made me feel like I wanted to buy one over a "basic" laptop.

And there there's a reason that the vast majority of them all have essentially the same form factor: it works well for what it's supposed to do. Kind of like how nearly every consumer vehicle on the road has functionally the same layout as every other vehicle in its class--they've converged on that shape because it works. Likewise virtually every range in every kitchen--it looks like that because it works like that.

Lots of products eventually converge on a particular form that is essentially the most functional design.

I'm not saying there could not be some different form factor of laptops eventually that works better or adds genuine value to the way it's used, but thus far I have yet to see it.

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I have an HP Envy x360 2-in-1 convertible (i.e., laptop and tablet modes). Being able to switch to a tablet (of sports) is handy in some situations — I used it in tablet form a couple of times -- but by no means ideal. I think, a tablet (e.g., iPad, Galaxy) with a combo case+keyboard is a better implementation.

 

[Makosuke]

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Even with high reviews, it’s still a very niche product.

I have an HP Envy x360 2-in-1 convertible (i.e., laptop and tablet modes). Being able to switch to a tablet (of sports) is handy in some situations — I used it in tablet form a couple of times -- but by no means ideal. I think, a tablet (e.g., iPad, Galaxy) with a combo case+keyboard is a better implementation.

I should have caveated my comment on the sort of basal-laptop-form-factor regarding specialized designs for niche markets.

Those two dual-screen gaming laptops are a great example of a different design that has genuine value for a niche market, but would not be beneficial to a majority of users. If I'm a gamer who is using one hand on the keyboard and the other on a mouse, and needs an HUD or map or whatever, the 2nd screen is presumably super-useful, and having the keyboard right up at the front of the base is an additional benefit, since it gets your wrist off the hot laptop.

But if I picture how I (and others in my family) actually use my laptop--on a lap sitting on the couch--the palm rests being where they are and the keyboard being near the center of balance is critical to it being usable. I would not be able to type on one of those while sitting on the couch I'm sitting on right now, so no matter how useful the 2nd screen was I wouldn't buy it.

Same reason that having a centered keyboard is really important to me, even though I LOVE numeric keypads--having an off-center keyboard unbalances it when typing on an uneven surface, and forces you to either twist your upper body slightly to reach the keyboard (terrible ergonomics) or look at the screen from a slight angle (also terrible). I just wouldn't buy a laptop without a centered keyboard, and I find it genuinely surprising how many jumbo Windows laptops use that shape.

The same goes for other niche designs--they probably do provide genuine value for some customers, but for the majority they sacrifice more than they give.

That's one of the reasons that the Touch Bar (once they put a hardware escape key on it) didn't bother me--it's a bit niche but potentially useful without really removing anything most users use.

 

[MikeX]

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