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Says the OldSchool"PRO"MacGuy. Consider all you want crusty

Spare a thought for all the people trying to make it as a pro but not quite there yet. We're not earning the big bucks but still require the same from the machine as anyone else.
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Says the OldSchool"PRO"MacGuy. Consider all you want crusty
Who lot of crying about Pro models from people that aren't pro users in here. If you don't spend 4+ hours a day in pro apps, you aren't considered a pro user.

Real pros don't cry about the price because these machines help them get their job done faster and better. If these new machines shave a couple hours after their work in a month, they've paid for themselves even if they cost 2x as much.

Spare a thought for people who are still trying to make it as a pro.
We still the best machine possible for our work but maybe don't yet have the big bucks to be able to afford it
 
Spare a thought for all the people trying to make it as a pro but not quite there yet. We're not earning the big bucks but still require the same from the machine as anyone else.

A couple hundred dollars shouldn't be make or break between a real pro and a high-end amateur. If it is there are MUCH bigger problems than just getting business.

If you aren't pro yet, you can survive with a MBA or MB. Just means more waiting time for things to process. If you can't wait then it's time to spend a couple more dollars to go to the big time.

Are you honestly hoping they release a "MacBook Not A Pro But Wants To Be", which looks like crap, is big and heavy but it has good performance with a slightly smaller price tag?
 
A clear increase of $1500 dollars here in Australia for full specced MBP 15". That is insane!
Especially considering you're losing multiplie ports and will be forced to buy dongle after dongle just to get things connected.
Mate that cause of Brexit didnt you know....
 
Its not just the pricing in the UK. The Canadian Pricing is unbelievably high as well.

It seems high, but is it really when compared to the US prices?

I just bought the loaded up model for $5299 CAD before tax

I check the USA Apple website and it was $4299 USD approximately before tax

Multiply $4299 USD by 1.33 to get CAD conversion rate today and you get $5717.67 CAD.

So it is actually CHEAPER in Canada - NOT more expensive - right?

So what are you guys talking about?

Yes, this is an expensive machine overall - It seems about $1000.00 higher than my last MacBook Pro purchase.

Time is the most valuable thing you have and a newer Mac should be faster and save you time.

If you are producing something with your "Pro" machine - you don't have any choice on this purchase really. Time is money.


I don't care how many megaflops and other jargon - just give me the maximum of performance and reasonable form factor.

A few ports are missing, but so what. I'll totally be missing the SD card slot, I'm thinking right now, but I'm sure I will soon realize that my one cord running to power can hook up to a card reader and extra monitors etc etc - so what am I really missing???
 
I'm the same, I have an Early 2011 15" MBP. I upgraded the memory immediately to 8GB and have since replaced the HD with a 1TB Samsung 840 EVO. It needed a new battery last year and that's the first fault it's had. It's still a very fast machine compared to many Wintel laptops I've had the displeasure of being given by work. It's starting to sweat a bit now, when I run multiple VMs it sounds like a small jet about to take off when the discrete graphics card and CPU overheat and the fans max out, I have to run it with a USB cooling pad for normal use and a small fan pointed at it when running even one VM so to not put extra pressure on aging kit.

I've delayed getting a replacement because the upgrades haven't been worth the hassle of getting one that's not maintainable or upgradeable by a user. I had planned on biting the bullet and getting a new one but I'll save my money and sweat my trusty 2011 for another year or so. The specs just aren't worth it for the price. I could fully trick out a Windows beast of a laptop using the latest technology and have a good bit of cash spare for my holiday fund.

I'm happy to spend 1400-1600 on a high-end laptop like I've done with Apple many times AND have the ability to throw in a bigger driver and more RAM to keep things fresh. Apple can no longer do this for me. Dell can give me a beast for my budget. But it's not macOS. So I feel in limbo.
 
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OMG! those UK prices. I love Apple but they are ridiculous.

Every model is £500-£700 more expensive than previously. £2699/$3285 base price for the top spec 15" model and £4049/$4929 for a fully kitted out model.

Need to answer with your wallets and not buy these notebooks so they realise customers aren't mugs. Seriously hoping they sell the way of the Newton.

God forbid what the upcoming iMac and Mac Pro prices will be when they are eventually refreshed.

Also their new website design is s**t. Too many clicks just to get to the purchase screen and the rolling images are just annoying.

In the UK the entry level Mac Pro is 76% more expensive than it was a decade ago and the entry level 15" MBP is 68% up. That's a level of increase that is way above general inflation and average pay rises during the same period.
 
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All imported products will cost 30% more within the next few months - it's an effect of your choice to leave the EU and by doing so killing the pound. Can't have everything.

I'm not the only one complaining about the price hike there are 33 pages of it and counting! So you're very much in the minority.

Well considering 48% of the UK population (including myself) voted to stay in the EU. That's hardly a argument. This is also from someone in Switzerland a country which pays in how much to the EU?
 
Yes it has. This increase coupled with the Brexit currency adjustment is really going to damage Mac sales in the UK.

Going to damage me ever getting another one for many years. That said my 2015 MacBook Pro I'm hoping lasts me a long time.

I spend a lot on apple products each year.

7 plus
Watch series 2
9.7 Pro

But 2-3,000 for a laptop is just too much.
 
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Going to damage me ever getting another one for many years. That said my 2015 MacBook Pro I'm hoping lasts me a long time.

I spend a lot on apple products each year.

7 plus
Watch series 2
9.7 Pro

But 2-3,000 for a laptop is just too much.
The same for me, the upgrade I was planning for next month will have to go on the back burner for now. It's not that I can't afford it, I just no longer see it as a good value proposition. :(
 
Anyone know when they will be in stores to view..? I want to make the most of Apples reckoning
 
After Apple's "Hello Again" presentation, It felt like Apple was saying goodbye to many of us.

Blasphemy, but offers like this starting to look interesting.
https://www.macrumors.com/2016/10/27/microsoft-trade-in-macbook-surface-offer/
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what is Apple doing... for f#ck sake. The MBP now doesn't have function keys?!? I get the touch bar addition (sort of) but don't they know us developers live on the function keys?? :( They just killed the entire market of dev's running Windows on them (and there is a huge audience doing that)

I have been postponing upgrading too.

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I wonder how will the "Magic Toolbar" work with Bootcamp.
Update: Got my answer a minute after posting this.
https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...-when-running-windows-with-boot-camp.2010193/
 
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I'm not the only one complaining about the price hike there are 33 pages of it and counting! So you're very much in the minority.

Well considering 48% of the UK population (including myself) voted to stay in the EU. That's hardly a argument. This is also from someone in Switzerland a country which pays in how much to the EU?

Yeah, but we have bilateral treaties with the EU for free movement of goods and people - Apple products are very cheap here compared to the rest of Europe. And yes, it's an argument - it doesn't matter what the individual voted when it comes to the consequences of a vote.
 
After Apple's "Hello Again" presentation, It felt like Apple was saying goodbye to many of us.

Blasphemy, but offers like this starting to look interesting.
https://www.macrumors.com/2016/10/27/microsoft-trade-in-macbook-surface-offer/
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I wonder how will the "Magic Toolbar" work with Bootcamp.

I can't consider the Surface Book - because I also have one of them currently and they are garbage tbh. Our only hope is Google making an attempt at upping the game on the Chromebook maybe. As for the buyback - M$ is bending us over if they think I will trade in my MBP for that cheap.

We will be lucky if bootcamp drivers work for at least 6 months
 
The worst Apple event...
There's zero joy to these events anymore. Cook ("human ambien") is a horrible showman and the rest of the Apple team look like they don't even want to be there. And every time Cook says, "I'd like to invite Phil Schiller on the stage to tell you all about it. Phil." my heart sinks because I know he's going to end his presentation with some outrageous price increase. As was the case this time. I mean, I anticipated a price increase but these starting prices are $200 more than my worse case scenario. Especially the MPB with the traditional function row. Why the hell is that $1499 starting? The upgrades on that machine are incremental and it should have remained $1299 starting. Ugh. And still no price drop on the 12" MacBook? At least give it a 720P webcam.
 
I learned two things from the entire presentation: 1) TV app for the ATV4, which will probably be meaningless to people outside the US, since many of the channels are US only. 2) While we were eagerly anticipating and hoping to hear about the new Mac Pro, iMac, Mac Mini and a new 4K Cinema Display, all we saw was the "magic" tool bar and the new "magic" price hikes.

What a dismal presentation and what a huge disappointment. Apple is getting more and more out of touch with their customer base.
 
After 15 years of being a Mac user I honestly think that's me done. I have the mid 2012 MBP Retina and was looking to upgrade it today but who in their right mind who with those specs and for THAT price. I'm a video editor for a living and going to start doing some serious research into changing teams. I'm already using Adobe Premiere so FCPX is no loss.

You don't think the additional ability to scrub the timeline would be useful with the tool bar? Honest question, that's one of the few features I see it being useful in.
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Excessively so. There's a palm rest there for a reason. Making the trackpad that large, is going to cause a few issues with the palms activating the mouse and it jumping all over. PC laptops have the same problem with pads this big. It's annoying.

It also forces the hand/arm to move more than necessary. I use a large size Wacom Tablet for years, and smaller is actually better - less movement, less strain on wrist.
 
If you didn't thing Apple were exploitative before - they are now charging £19 for an extended plug lead for the charger. I imagine this costs about 50p or less to manufacture. Unbelievable!
 
£2,789.00 that's a massive jump in price, thank you Brexit.

Nothing to do with Brexit. Fully loaded 15" is over 5k EUR here. Previous top of the line model was barely over half of that. Even specced down to the same level as the previous one it'll be a lot more expensive than the previous ones. And that's not including the 150e worth of dongles you need to buy to make it usable.
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I don't see it on Apple's site. I think the touch bar looks great, to be honest. Looks like the Air is done, which makes sense with the 12 and entry-level 13-inch MacBook.

They should, at the very least, upgrade the MacPro processor and graphics....how hard can that be?
As for the iMac 5K, I bought on last year...the only update it would need is processor and graphics....mine from last year still runs incredibly well.

So these days you can choose between a too-small machine with no ports and a crappy keyboard or a slightly larger one dubbed as 'pro' with still not enough ports and the same crappy keyboard. Yay. Or an iMac with a crappy keyboard.

I hold on to my current one and reconsider macs when they actually come up with a keyboard I can use again. If that doesn't happen there's always Windows. Win10 isn't total crap even though I still much prefer OS X - but that doesn't matter if the input devices are useless.
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Well.

Hardware in 13" slightly disappointing.

Don't really care about the ports. Anticipated adapting.

But. IDK, the pricing is wrong, and I'm not psyched about picking on up? I wanted something to replace my 5+ year Air and keep me on Mac OS. Windows 10 is annoying, but it's still leagues better than 8 and I use it frequently.

I want to continue in the Mac software side of things, but I'm just not thrilled with the hardware they're offering for this. The restrictions on the processor and graphics on the 13" range while M$ puts out some of the best stuff they ever had and competition from Razer just... makes me consider hackintosh laptops for the first time in a while.

Why is this so difficult?

Tried hackintosh. It helped me remember why I'm not too thrilled about using Linux on my laptops/desktops. I'd love it if I could just use it. CBA to tinker with my computer all the time to keep it operational.
I guess it's in our nature to complain. I grew up with Apple as as a computer company. It hurts to see they spend so much time talking about a touch bar, when they could've revealed a:

- next gen iMac
- next gen Mac mini
- next gen Mac Pro
- 14" MacBook

*sigh* I guess we will just have to face the fact that the old Apple will never be back.

Edit: also, **** Intel and their Dual Core U processors. I really hope AMD will stirr up this piece of the market by introducing 28W quad core Zen's.

You forgot they could've revelead a Macbook Pro instead of this Macbook Air they released.
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With a Radeon 460, the 15" is $CA3600, very expensive.

Even with the lowest dGPU offering, its still $3,400...

$400+ to go from 512GB to 1TB... no wonder Apple want a captive audience for upgrades.

Well, 1TB to 2TB is $1200 in the U.S. It's over $1500 (1400EUR) for us. Yay. I could go and buy 2,5" 2TB SSD for ~700e. Sure it wouldn't be as fast as what they offer, but is their offering really more than twice as fast in real life? No, not really. And if I had to choose I'd rather take 4TB of that "slow SSD" than their 2TB of fast stuff which is mostly used for iPad/iPhone backups because it doesn't fit much else.
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Who lot of crying about Pro models from people that aren't pro users in here. If you don't spend 4+ hours a day in pro apps, you aren't considered a pro user.

Real pros don't cry about the price because these machines help them get their job done faster and better. If these new machines shave a couple hours after their work in a month, they've paid for themselves even if they cost 2x as much.

Real Pros also aren't idiots. If you get more for for the price you pay it. If all you get is a machine that's harder to use than the previous ones, requires more dongles and doesn't really get you anywhere, it's not worth the trouble. The touchbar is of any use only of you actually use the laptop's keyboard and touchpad. At the same time they are advocating using an external monitor as a hub - and replaced the keyboard with one that feels like you're using an on-screen keyboard. The obvious result: people actually hook it up to an external display, keyboard and mouse. So what happened to the touchbar? "Oops".

Even the touchbar doesn't sound like much of an improvement. You're working on Photoshop while listening to music. You want to turn the volume down. Previously it was couple of key presses and job done. How many minutes will you spend swiping, touching and fondling that new bar to get the job done? What's worse, you can't do it without actually looking at the bar. I can adjust the volume on this 2013 rMBP blindfolded, I don't need to stop working to do something simple like that. But I guess I'm not pro enough.
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Most pros don't use much onboard storage anyways. 256GB is more than enough for the OS and apps. All other stuff like photos, video, etc, is all stored on external in the vast majority of cases.

Just because you do things certain way it doesn't mean "most pros" do it. Most pros who work in a desktop environment surely work the way you do. The rest, not so much. When I need to access the results of my last photoshoot I do want to get all the images onto my machine for processing. I prefer internal storage because ... well, you can try balancing a laptop with an external disk on your lap in the middle of nowhere, then come tell me why. Before suggesting cloud and other crap do a quick calculation on how quickly I upload that 100GB+ of raw data there - and how quickly I can edit all of it.

The whole point of a Pro laptop is that it's portable. It needs to work regardless of where you are. Not just at the office. If that's all you need, go buy a desktop.
 
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There's zero joy to these events anymore. Cook ("human ambien") is a horrible showman and the rest of the Apple team look like they don't even want to be there. And every time Cook says, "I'd like to invite Phil Schiller on the stage to tell you all about it. Phil." my heart sinks because I know he's going to end his presentation with some outrageous price increase. As was the case this time. I mean, I anticipated a price increase but these starting prices are $200 more than my worse case scenario.
I wonder when the moment comes that Phil would say "Go there yourself"
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In a year, people knocking the touchbar will hide and become silent. The touchbar constitutes a great advancement for usability. Too bad some people just can't see it.
Maybe, if it were near or integrated with the trackpad (not even considered..?)
This way, it's a lackluster alternative to a touchscreen hybrid.
 
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