Could you try creating a new user? My Mac Mini from 2012 got really slow after a few years (10 years, actually), so I made a new user, and it improved significantly. I didn't have to reinstall software
Got a tip for us?
Let us know
Become a MacRumors Supporter for $50/year with no ads, ability to filter front page stories, and private forums.
New MacBook Pro Nears Mass Production, But Four Bigger Upgrades Expected Next Year
- Thread starter MacRumors
- Start date
- Sort by reaction score
Could you try creating a new user? My Mac Mini from 2012 got really slow after a few years (10 years, actually), so I made a new user, and it improved significantly. I didn't have to reinstall software
What exactly do you want? Would you even be willing to pay for going beyond 8TB of storage and so on even if Apple offered upgrades at a later point in time? Isn't the current maxed out config enough?
Apple can't add more ports as the SoC ain't got any PCIe lanes left. That's not a matter of beefing up and just adding more ports. They did just massively upgrade these ports to the latest Thunderbolt 5 before Thunderbolt 5 capable devices had even hit the market. That's a massive increase in bandwith. Do you know of other laptops that feature three Thunderbolt 5 ports that can run at full speed simultaneously?
Frankly I am confused because very few people here are willing to spend the money for a maxed out M4 configuration in the first place but somehow the current M4 offerings aren't good enough. Y'all want upgradeable configs yet if Apple charged you a couple grand for a SSD/memory upgrade you wouldn't pay for it anyways. A lot of the criticism I see right now boils down to wanting cheaper Macbooks.
But do you need it for actual "Pro" use? Sounds more like a hobby and if we're being honest nobody needs a M4 Max unless that's how they make their money and every hour spent waiting for processing to finish is an hour's worth of money wasted.
In any case, you won't find a better or even an equivalent offering from the competition. When I bought my M4 MBP I couldn't even find a comparable laptop that could do more than 128GiB of RAM. If you do find something better it will cost just as much as Apple's recommended pricing if not more.
No. Versus the Thunderbolt 4 or better ports that Apple uses on the MacBook Pros that we are discussing.
And who are you to decide what others need? Many users may do their work [whatever it might be] better when using a better tool. I know I do. Better display, speakers, performance, etc. do impact one's creativity.
Even at the lowest level of using just Office apps the premium of MBP over MBA is impacting the user's brain. Certainly saving some $$ is obviously relevant, but please do not presume what "Most people only need the..."
New MBPs might be announced in October, but if they have not been announced by then it will be 2026 because Apple will not kludge the holiday sales season with a Nov/Dec announcement of MBPs. So plan your purchase decision for the end of October; easy.
Your story is very similar to what mine was when coming from a 2016 MBP and upgrading as the 2016 MBP was failing. I was waiting to buy a [delayed] Studio and ended up with a maxed-out M2 MBP by default. The MBP with 96 GB RAM that I was forced into buying is so good that it turned out to be a better choice for me than the Studio would have been. The 96 RAM means I feel zero need to upgrade to M5. I would like the new nano texture display though...
Last edited:
With Apple’s Silicon, the Air’s are just as powerful as the Pro’s now, so save $400-$500 by just getting a M4 Air.
Read up on Apple's Unified Memory Architecture, look at the relative performance of MBPs, and realize why upgradable RAM is a bad idea.
And I lived through using swappable MBP batteries; no thank you. Today's built-in batteries that easily last a work day are far superior.
Last edited:
Honestly, at least in my experience, the combo of my laptop connecting to my phone’s hotspot being so seamless and the fact that I cant really think of too many if any times where I’m on the road with my laptop but not my cell means that I dont really have a reason to want the feature (and the added bill). I’m sure there’s plenty of folks that do, but I’d bet most people fall into my camp.
Last edited:
You must not have even read my post. The point is that there is much more to computer usage than simply the word "powerful." And you are wrong even as regards powerful:
MBA base chip - MBP base, Pro or Max chip
MBA 14-core CPU - MBP up to 16-core
MBA 10-core GPU - MBP up to 40-core GPU
MBA 16-32 GB RAM - MBP 24-128 GB RAM
MBA 120 memory bandwidth - MBP 243-576 bandwidth
MBA single video engines - MBP up to 2x video engines
MBA 2 TB4 ports - MBP 3 TB5 ports
MBA Retina display - MBP Retina XDR display
MBA 500 nits brightness - MBP 1000 nits brightness
MBA 2 speakers - MBP 6 speakers
Etc.
Last edited:
Yup. My M2 MBP with lots of RAM does not need upgrading - - but I had a 17" MBP, and an 18" MBP would make me upgrade in a heartbeat.I would actually prefer Apple went the other way.
Launch a MBP 18" with a M* Max as default, and a down-clocked M* Ultra with some beefy cooling.
Newer MBPs have only three USB-C form factor ports, but fortunately they are all Thunderbolt 4 or 5 with lots of bandwidth. I would like 4 TB ports but if Apple only provides 3 plus an HDMI and an SD I can [barely] live with it.
Last edited:
Not sure what you mean by 'extensively', but I've used it substantially for web browsing (never streaming high bandwidth video). In fact, I'm posting this now via my iphone's hotspot.
Personally I vote for maximum number of TB ports, maximum bandwidth. We can add dongles. Everyone's needs are different and dongles/hubs are stupid easy.
Last edited:
They are, I agree.
But I also understand how a Pro machine user has a much better experience with some key ports built in that they use a lot, perhaps always on the go at different locations/meeting rooms, etc.
HDMI, SD & audio in/out are right in that wheel house.
Dongles are something that get forgotten and/or have to be remembered and with the battery life of these machines, I can understand how users want to have all their needs basically met -- built in.
Do we need mobile LLM platforms? Apple could perhaps using vapor chambers for heat management make a [heavy] MBP with huge RAM and capable of running LLMs. Clearly Apple should work LLMs with Studios, but will there be need to be mobile?
Obviously YMMV. You perhaps should have an MBA that is inferior in every regard except weight. Personally, I love my M2 MBP and am not at all offended by any "weight, density and generally heavy feeling."
The problem is that not everyone wants the same slow SD port or whatever. I prefer using much faster CFexpress cards for instance. I can dongle to fast CFexpress or to slow SD from a TB port, my choice.
Last edited:
I don't know if we need them, but I do like the idea of having the ability to run some LLM queries locally for privacy or sensitive data protection reasons.
Correct, but I'd argue they could choose what they think has the most widespread appeal and for those that need outside of that, a dongle will solve the issue.
Apple, of course, has a ton of knowledge and resources in industry to pull from to know what is/is-not good to include as built in.
Quite obviously more intel on all that than any of us pontificating on a forum.
ill be coming back to this comment after the next unveiling and I expect you to be a man of your word
You are talking the low end and short life cycles, which is fine for some. But this is the high end MBPs we are discussing and likely longer life cycles. Many MBP buyers may not be as sensitive to whatever differences exist between base M4 and base M5 with base RAM since they will mostly be using Max M4 or Max M5 and higher RAM options.
Except it physically does not work as you describe, "choose what they think has the most widespread appeal and for those that need outside of that, a dongle will solve the issue." An SD card slot can not be dongled to become faster CFexpress, for instance; whereas a TB port cane be either, or can drive an XD display.
Why would anyone not want fans? Do you own a modern MBP? My M2 with 96 GB RAM almost never kicks in the fans. Only when really needed, i.e. heavy processing concurrent with really high ambient temps.