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Nooooooo! It's happening! I'm not going to have the most bad-ass MacBook Pro anymore. :-(

Kidding aside, the latest MBP is really fast. I can run all the latest games from Steam. Granted, only a few are comparable to their PC brethren, but they are getting there. Portal 2, for example, ran smooth as butter.

I also highly recommend an SSD. Just spend the money, it's worth it. Every app opens instantly. Boot-up is a matter of seconds.
 
so my next MBP will be when they release 13"MBP with 4 cores, better screen (like MBA) with matte option, 8GB standard, and if they will take out the DVD (even that i use it quite a lot, i can live with external...), i would like them to use the space for build-in SSD like MBA for the system - but not instead the standard HD!!! , second fan to support the 4 cores heat, and if there is extra space... way not dedicated GPU, even that i dont really need this for watching movies (my main program is logic).... but that will be nice for many ppl's :)

So what you're saying is that you'll never be buying another 13" MBP . . .
 
Redesign or not, it would be foolish to buy a Macbook Pro or Macbook Air without Ivy Bridge. Particularly the 13" model without a dedicated graphics card. Ivy Bridge will have much better graphics, slightly faster CPU and quite substantially better power consumption.
If the optical drive is dropped then the 13" MacBook Pro will have room for dedicated graphics, and the 15" and 17" models can get more battery.
 
I also highly recommend an SSD. Just spend the money, it's worth it. Every app opens instantly. Boot-up is a matter of seconds.

Couldn't agree more. Never has a single component upgrade given me such a noticeable speed boost. It was like getting a new laptop.

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Pardon my ignorance, but has FireWire ever been incredibly popular? I've never owned a Mac, but I have never even seen a product that is to be used via FireWire.

Firewire is popular, especially in the Pro (the MacBook didn't have it in the last few generations and MacBook Air doesn't have it) market. A lot of Mac people also use it for external drives (WAY better than USB—even Firewire 400, while lacking the same theoretical speed as USB 2.0 was consistently faster anyway) and target disk mode.

Firewire is going away though. Thunderbolt is the end of onboard Firewire as soon as adapters and hubs and such become more widespread since you can do Firewire over Thunderbolt anyway. In that sense it'll be exactly like an optical drive in that it'll be "external" only.

Regardless of all that, the amount of space consumed by a port versus the entire optical drive is huge. If Firewire is removed, what's Apple going to add? Another USB port? (Although I'd take another ethernet port on the Minis.) Remove the optical drive and you can add, among other things, more battery and it sure would be nice to get dedicated graphics on the 13" MBP.
 
No I am hoping for a 13in with a matte 1440x900 IPS screen with a much smaller bezel, quad core Ivy Bridge, USB 3.0, and remove the optical drive to put a dedicated GPU in, and make it all 4lbs.

Yeah it's a pipe dream for next summer but here's hoping!

I had to login just to agree with you!

Still haven't upgraded my Powerbook because of no 13" matte screen option...:(
 
So once the refresh is out, how much of a price-drop do you think the early-2011 MBP models' could see?

I'm in the market for an early-2011 15" MBP (i7 2.2Ghz, Radeon 6750, 750GB HDD..) and currently the best price I could find was $1999. I would love it if it dropped for another $100-200...
 
So once the refresh is out, how much of a price-drop do you think the early-2011 MBP models' could see?

I'm in the market for an early-2011 15" MBP (i7 2.2Ghz, Radeon 6750, 750GB HDD..) and currently the best price I could find was $1999. I would love it if it dropped for another $100-200...

wait for a sale or a bundle deal....refurbished one would probably be avaialble soon if not already also..
 
Having just bought a 13" Macbook Air, and loving it!, I'd be open to purchasing a 15" air if it had a HD screen as default.

With that said, as a recovering 17"MBP user, I would see the benefit of Apple returning to the old two tier system (selling MacBooks and Macbook Pros). Such that 13, 15 and, maybe, 17" airs replace the old MacBook line, in order to grab the portability/battery life people; while the MBP line remains in place targeting the power hungry audience.
 
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I am also expecting a higher resolution screen and a better graphic card for the 13". and a new design of course! :eek: (why not)

I mean if they are only going to upgrade the CPU (slightly) and bluetooth 4.0 (not even mentioned in the MBA and 4S launch), what other features are they going to put on the front page.:eek:
 
I’m already itching for a new MBP, but I won’t be able to justify buying for another year or so. The question for me is what GPUs will be in them. My GeForce 330M (256 VRAM) is not up for Splinter Cell Convictions.

Dear Tim, please show gamers some love. Thanks in advance.


Er. My 9400m with 256 MB of VRAM runs Conviction fine...
 
Lion added the ability to resize from any corner of a window. You know, that feature that EVERY OTHER OS has had for decades?

iOS5 allegedly adds notifications (don't use those devices)? You know...the kind that webOS and Android have both had for YEARS? The kind that PalmOS had nearly a decade ago?

iTunes eventually removed all DRM from its music. You know, since Amazon MP3 had been DRM free for the longest and all.

Cloud iTunes allows you to re-download music and books and stuff. You know, like Amazon has for YEARS?

iOS5 adds Newsstand. You know, since Kindle LAUNCHED years ago with that feature?

iPhone eventually added Mobile Hotspot capabilities. Palm Pre had that feature nearly half a decade ago.

Apple is just as much a follower as anyone else. Some of you guys are really clouded to the reality of things. I stick to what I said - if Tim Cook is smart, he will push to add Blu-ray to the Pro, and basically tell users who want "thin is in" to buy the Air, because that's what it's for. If they gut the Pro the way people are talking about here, there might as well not even be a Pro line, because it will no longer be "Pro".

Apple is rarely first to market with anything, but they still are a trend setter rather than a follower. Your list is mostly features, not trends. Apple is clearly attempting to set a trend by eliminating the optical drive and designing thinner products. Backtracking by putting in a Blu Ray drive and maintaining the size of the MacBook Pro line after the next major update would go against it.

They were on the board of the Blu Ray Association. However, they now have a competing service, and if their recent history with Samsung is any indication, they are getting tired of financing their competition.
 
When is thin ... too thin?!

... maintaining the size of the MacBook Pro line after the next major update would go against it.

Maybe it's just me, but I think they've nailed the thickness (or in other words, the "solidity") level with the current Macbook Pro's. Going any thinner would simply seem wrong and counter-intuitive. With your logic, when would they ever stop? Paper thin? Could they stop then maybe? See what I mean? Would you not say the current MBP's are at a "right" size ratio (W x L x H)?

MAYBE a tad thinner, fine .. but not "Air" thin! I say, give me more power instead ... I'm not a baby, I can carry a MBP .. in ONE HAND!! Better believe it! :cool:

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Not trying to bash, but what I AM saying is the current MBP's are right at the crossroads of functionalism, contemporary design, and minimalistic beauty. I mostly attribute this to Mr. Ive's "Dieter Rams" type mindset. Making it much thinner would start impacting it's efficiency when it comes to it's basic function (at least as a professional tool/device).

That said, if the new design IS drastically different, I'd be VERY VERY interested as to where they take it given the functional and stylistic beauty of the current generation. But again, I'd be VERY disappointed if they shrink it.

Now excuse me while I grab some tweezers to open my Macbook Air in a professional setting and hope the wind doesn't blow it over like a lawn chair in a storm!

(See my point?)
 
I wouldn't mind if they dropped the optical drive and replaced it with fans. Solve heat issues once and for all.
 
Even if the optical drive is dropped, the case can't be much thinner due to the height of standard 2.5" hard drives.
 
Here is my opinions on the 2012 MBPs

Optical Drives will Die

On all models, the design will be significantly thinner to allow for more battery space, logic board space (maybe more fan, vent space to combat heat), and here it comes

1 Extra 2.5" Hardrive Bay for the 13" and 2 Extra Hardrive Bays for the 15 and 17"

This along with an initial factory installed base SSD stick (As in the Air's) of 128-256 GB will be perfect in my opinion.

You will get the speed of an SSD, while the professional and economical practicalities of 5400-7200RPMScratch/Media HDD.


We will get anti-glare screen's standard on all the laptops (or at least the less-glare MBA screens) and higher Res. screens standard on the 13" and 15"

Case and Redesign

The new case in my opinion will be slightly/moderately thinner (not as thin as MBA of course) and *most importantly* less heavy.

New Material of Liquid Metal will give it a new, redefined look to differentiate the models from the MBA. (The MBA may adopt this new scheme in the mid/late 2012 refresh)

Ports

13"

1 Thunderbolt
1 Firewire 800
1 SDXC Slot
2 USB 3.0
1 Ethernet

15" and 17"

2 Thunderbolt
1 Firewire 800
1 SDCX sLOT
3 USB 3.0
1 Ethernet

I feel the 13" will remain Graphic's Card less (which is good for battery and power) but Quad-Core Ivy Bridge should compensate

Price Points

11" MBA $999

13" MBA $1199

13" MBP $1299

15" MBP $1799

17" MBP $2399

Increasing the 13" MBP price would further differentiate MBA and MBP and highlight the pro features (more storage, Quad Core CPU, more ports)

Release Schedule

I really don't see how anyone could an expect an iPad 3 until at least Fall 2012 as their simply is no A6 Processor going to be ready by then. If anything, Apple will release a Retina Display on the iPad but at the moment, i can see Apple comfortably riding the Tablet's dominance until about WWDC / Fall 2012.

In my opinion, First half of 2012 will be dedicated to the MAC

Mac Pro Early 2012

Smaller - Case Design

Same features but in a more Thunderbolt inclusive and oriented footprint.

New Xeon's and GFX options.

Macbook Pro and iMac EVENT (maybe Macbook Air) April/May 2012

As said above, new MBP and iMac's. iMac's keep their same case but better innards.

Apple showcases the future of desktop input

New Magic Mouse (!), New Magic Trackpad (maybe an integration with the Keyboard (!)

New Power Options to be tested initially on Keyboard's, Mice, Trackpads - WiiTricity (!)

iWork 2012!

Big event for apple showcasing innovation and showing they still care for the Mac

Second Half of 2012 dedicated to iOS

@ WWDC we will obviously see previews of iOS 6 but i also have an itch we might see a major OSX Lion . increment that introduces new features (eg. 10.7.5?) or a whole new OS for 2013.

I'm not sure about the iPad. Im feeling a Retina display, real close integration with FCPX and LPX along with other desktop apps. They will focus on the iPad being the companion for a desktop experience. Using the Desktop as the horsepower (Truck) and the iPad as the humanised manipulation device (car).

Imagine being able to edit multi track audio, plug-in consoles and Midi input all with your finger. Imagine the efficiency and easiness to do over traditional keyboard/mouse. iPad 3 will focus on these things along with the new A6 and the GFX updates that come with this.

iPhone 5 will released in Fall 2012 with A6 and improvements only apple can think of.

And for iPod's, big things will come. Pure iCloud integrations on the Nano, and Classic. These devices will have very limited wifi (so you can log into network) and iCloud will really shine as your music and media is wirelessly pushed to all your devices. (I hope they keep classic!)

the iPod Touch will get A5! wooooo, or maybe even A6!!!

Seems interesting!
 
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How long do you think it will be before this bump happens? I am hoping before the end of the month. I am needing a new laptop because I am using a 3 year old Eeepc now that can't do what I need. I have my mac mini at home but I need something for the road since I travel back and forth a lot as a phd student and university lecturer. I also do some photo/video editing and a few other things, that's why I'd need the pro. I was just about to order the 13" when I heard this news. I guess I will just wait until the bump in speed and just purchase it or get one of the older models at a cheaper price, if available.
 
How long do you think it will be before this bump happens? I am hoping before the end of the month. I am needing a new laptop because I am using a 3 year old Eeepc now that can't do what I need. I have my mac mini at home but I need something for the road since I travel back and forth a lot as a phd student and university lecturer. I also do some photo/video editing and a few other things, that's why I'd need the pro. I was just about to order the 13" when I heard this news. I guess I will just wait until the bump in speed and just purchase it or get one of the older models at a cheaper price, if available.

I can't imagine it can be too long now, but I could be wrong. Amazon is now out of stock on all but the 13" and I read an account by someone who went to an Apple store who said they couldn't order any BTO MacBooks in and to come back once it is updated. I would guess sometime next week. Surely it wouldn't be more than 2 weeks as stock outs at stores cost them some sales and they would want to fill stock as quickly as possible. Unfortunately, I don't have much historical perspective of how long it usually takes from constrained stock to update.
 
My late 2006 cracked whitebook begs for an update. It will be one hell of an update when I'll get 2012 13-incher MBP or MBA! :cool:

If it's the palmrest that's cracked, you can get a free repair from Apple. I just did that with my 2007 model (3.1). It's as good as new. They replace the whole topcase, and the screen bezel. It looks like a new macbook now :D Unfortunately my sister took it from me since i have a 13'' pro :DDD

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no problems with my 2009 13"MBP 2.53GHz, and soon will upgrade with optibay\SSD...

so my next MBP will be when they release 13"MBP with 4 cores, better screen (like MBA) with matte option, 8GB standard, and if they will take out the DVD (even that i use it quite a lot, i can live with external...), i would like them to use the space for build-in SSD like MBA for the system - but not instead the standard HD!!! , second fan to support the 4 cores heat, and if there is extra space... way not dedicated GPU, even that i dont really need this for watching movies (my main program is logic).... but that will be nice for many ppl's :)

but before all that - RELEASE THE NEW MACPRO's !!!!!

That's what i was saying, ditch the optical, enlarge the battery, keep the 2.5'' slot for capacity, and put some kind of an SSD a la MBA. It doesn't have to be big, just 16 or 32 gb, pair it with intel's Z68 or whatever the chipset will be, and enable SSD caching. Or of course, give the option of a full SSD size, 256 or 512, and a separate rotational one, which should be in the 1.5 to 2 TB range by the time ivy is out.
 
Here is my opinions on the 2012 MBPs
In my opinion, First half of 2012 will be dedicated to the MAC

Mac Pro Early 2012

Smaller - Case Design

Same features but in a more Thunderbolt inclusive and oriented footprint.

New Xeon's and GFX options.

Macbook Pro and iMac EVENT (maybe Macbook Air) April/May 2012

As said above, new MBP and iMac's. iMac's keep their same case but better innards.
This seems about right to me.
 
Second, I think people probably give Jobs WAY too much credit for the decisions that Apple made. I seriously doubt the rest of the execs were like, "Steve can we pleaeaeaeaeaeaeasssssse put Blu-Ray in Macs? Pleeeeeeeeeease?"

"NO!"

I guarantee you that shareholders are paying attention to how they treat Blu-ray. And I guarantee you that they have asked for it. It doesn't hurt Apple to support it, even if they don't push it. By your logic, there shouldn't be an iPod Shuffle because the Nano exists and touch is the way they're moving.

I fail to understand why so many damn Apple fanatics are so anti-choice.


The Pro would still be Pro as long as it had the quad-core CPU and discrete GPU (in the case of the 15" and 17"). If Tim Cook is smart, and I think he is, he is going to stay away from Blu Ray. Apple has a good thing going with iTunes, much the same way that Amazon has with Kindle. Thin is in, and it isn't a matter of being fickle. Thinner devices are more portable, even in a 13" or 15" design.

The Pro is NOT a Pro because of its processor, it's got the same damn processor as the Air, just under clocked. # of cores does not make a machine any more "Pro" than another. What makes a machine built for Pro use is just how much it can do - and the machine should be DIFFERENT than the lesser-priced models. The Pro should KEEP Ethernet, ADD Blu-ray, ADD USB ports, Make them USB 3.0 compatible. Why? Because that's what other "Pro" laptops are doing. You guys are making excuses.

While you're at it the Pro also needs:
- More efficient cooling. How about instead of cramming useless components into the thing, you make it cool better than it currently does?

- More screen options. Why doesn't the 13" have a matte option? Why is the matte option so prohibitively expensive on the 15" but not the 17"? Why can't they look into polarizing the screen, or changing the glaze of the glass screen?

- More external storage options. Why is the 17" the only one with ExpressCard? Why not all Pros?

- More expansion capabilities. Instead of people whining and complaining about being "forced" to carry around a "heavy" optical drive, why not make that bay completely modular? Allow people to CTO whatever they want and plug it in there. Extra battery, standard optical, Blu-ray? (Even though more battery is more dense and thus heavier than the optical, but whatever...)


THAT is how you keep it a Pro and differentiate it from the Air. The Air has some of you people feening for thin yet you refuse to just go to that machine. If you want a 15" Air then demand it. Leave the Pro alone FFS. I also don't want the Pro's prices to skyrocket the way the Air's prices are which is the other "thin" problem.


Please Apple, ditch the 5400 RPM hard drives. They're a thing of the past.

This is a good change. There's no logical reason Apple continues to use those drives over at least 7200RPM. I don't know about default SSDs because of the cost/capacity argument. But 7200RPM isn't too much to ask. They're effectively the same price for a noticeable speed improvement, especially when running VMs.



Apple is clearly attempting to set a trend by eliminating the optical drive and designing thinner products. Backtracking by putting in a Blu Ray drive and maintaining the size of the MacBook Pro line after the next major update would go against it.

No, it would not. That's what you're not getting.

Suppose - and you'll have to fight hard to get the clouds out of your eyes - but suppose that their way of adding to the computing world with a thin-trending change is by ADDING THE AIR TO THEIR LINEUP. In other words, suppose for a moment that they sat down logically and said, "you know, we can't get rid of the Pro since it got us to this point, and we do need a truly powerhouse machine, but what if we create a whole new line of product that is thinner?" The Air is born, the poly MacBook dies.

Now, my question to all of you fanboys is this: Without falling back to your useless response of "because it's the Apple way", logically, why are you guys so anti-choice? I seriously want to know this.

Want thin: Buy the Air. Force Apple to give you a 15" or even 17" Air if you must. They won't sell for crap, but go for it anyway. Point is, for thin, buy the air.

Want POWER: Buy the Pro. Make the optical bay modular if you must. But the Pro must never LOSE any functionality, otherwise it'll no longer be a Pro.


TO me that seems a much smarter proposition from a financial standpoint than corralling the sheep (pun intended) into one machine or another. Why do you suppose so many people bought the poly MacBook when the MacBook Pro 13" was clearly superior at the same price (at some stores)? It's because PEOPLE LIKE CHOICES. Choice is good. Choice is American.
 
I've bought and returned both a 13 Pro and a 13 Air.

I like the Air most but need it to have 8gb of ram so I'm holding out lol.

But a lighter Pro may be an option too at that time, we'll see :D
 
I'm really not sure how a CTO bay would work on the MBP's. They would have a huge seem running down a quarter of the laptop and the extra mechanisms and ugliness of this is something i do NOT see Apple doing. At the end of the day, a laptop (however "professional" they are termed) are for portability. Weight and thickness shaving is inevitable, so too is the optical drive.

As far as I am CPU, GFX, Screen Customisability, and a variety of connections (FireWire, TB, USB 3.0...maybe even an Express Slot) are what professionals want. NOT accommodating a dying technology of embossing laser etchings onto a fragile piece of plastic.

Everything about the optical drive is UN professional and simply destroys the MBP IMO. It's clunky, makes a tonne of noise, and for the ACTUAL Time of use/Space Taken up/OVERALL laptop usage ratios, is something that needs to be CUT from a mobile device, however "professional" it may be termed. :)
 
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