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I promise you NO-ONE in the industry will copy this. The industry uses full touch screens, and because Apple waited too long and bashed touch-screens, being to prideful is now trying to catch up with a gimmick. A gimmick that doesn't do anything a touch screen laptop can't do better.

Agree. This touch bar is the oddest in-between idea. Why they didn't just go for touchscreen is beyond me.
 
You weren't able to handle 4K? How is that possible? My Mid 2015 15" maxed out MBP handles 4K just fine. I know you said you were working in Premier, is that the reason? I've edited 4K 30fps in Premier and FCPX on mine and, while it won't win any speed competitions, it is smooth and very manageable.
 
Lenovo tried a simpler version of it a few years ago on their Thinkpad. Users complained so much that Lenovo went back to the standard Fn keys the very next year.

Apple's advantage is that it makes both the hardware and the OS. Developers weren't rushing to support Lenovo's niche feature because comparatively, very few people had one. What Apple did was make this a mainstream feature that developers can expect most pro users to have. We're already seeing that reflected in the increasingly widespread support from important apps like Adobe's suite and Microsoft Office.
 
Programmable keyboard display. So 1980's

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The Xen/Xen-i keyboard (around 1987/8 if I recall)
 
Wow, this guy sounds like a real whiner....

What's annoying about this whole setup is that either way, some of the most important system controls are now buried in Touch Bar menus. Want to lower the volume? You can either hit the volume icon and hit the slider, or hit the arrow key and tap the volume up or down key. That's less efficient than just pressing a dedicated volume button in the function row. It's inconvenient enough that I eventually started using my mouse to do things like pause Spotify or raise the volume on a track. Apple made me change my way of doing things, and not necessarily for the better. That pisses me off.

Nobody forced him to buy the Touch Bar version of the MacBook Pro... Apple still offers one with a standard Function Key row, and he can always use an external keyboard.

And as for this...

If it's being used as a desktop with an external keyboard a significant amount of the time...

I think Apple really needs to address this market by offering a "Mac mini Pro". Small, affordable desktop computer with a the flexibility of a laptop in terms of portability, when needed. I think it's wasteful to complain about the design of a laptop when it's being used as a desktop.
 
It's probably going to depend on the software and how it uses the Touchbar. But for me, I don't see it being beneficial. I don't want to have to keep moving my eyes from the screen down to the bar and back to the screen. A touch screen laptop is more beneficial for what I do. Take Photoshop for instance. It's much easier to be able to use a touchscreen for masking and doing fine touch ups or selecting areas than messing with a Touchbar. I used an HP Spectre x360 for awhile and found the touchscreen very helpful. What I couldn't get used to was the crummy Trackpad that I could never get adjusted to my liking. But for the Trackpad I might have gone over to the other side.
 
Apple's advantage is that it makes both the hardware and the OS. Developers weren't rushing to support Lenovo's niche feature because comparatively, very few people had one. What Apple did was make this a mainstream feature that developers can expect most pro users to have. We're already seeing that reflected in the increasingly widespread support from important apps like Adobe's suite and Microsoft Office.

To my knowledge Lenovo's implementation wasn't open to third-party developers. Also, Apple's implementation is much better but will be a dead-end nonetheless once Apple finally gives in and adds touch support to their notebooks/OS. Developers are pretty shrewd and know this as well.
 
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Apple needs to rename it to 'MacBook Amateur' as it's no longer professional. And yes, the touch bar is certainly a gimmick, there's no debating that.

Eh, there will always be debate, obviously you have a point of view, someone else has another, that's where debate comes from. As far as the touchbar goes, I'd say too early to give it a full review and it is definitely better than a full touchscreen, which would most likely make Apple backtrack on their progress of amazing displays.
 
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"useful" doesn't seem like very high praise..

I'm lucky enough to have a second-gen 15" rMBP, so I can wait some time before murdering my bank account, but I hope things will be better by then
 
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