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I honestly think they're not too prideful. Have you used a touchscreen for professional work? I have and it's horrible. You have to clean it everyday and the smudges get in the way of my color grading and overlay work.
So touchscreen IS professional, according to Apple, on an iOS device (iPad Pro), but NOT professional on an OS/X (MacOS) machine?
Got it.
 
I promise you NO-ONE in the industry will copy this. The industry uses full touch screens, and because Apple waited too long and bashed touch-screens, being to prideful is now trying to catch up with a gimmick. A gimmick that doesn't do anything a touch screen laptop can't do better.

It's not being too prideful. The Mac is going away.

Apple doesn't want to go through the painful transition that Windows went through to make PCs touch-friendly. MS had no choice.

Apple already has a very successful multitouch platform and they'll focus on evolving that and it will eventually do everything the Mac does and more.
 
Cunningham noted the Touch Bar's display dims after 60 seconds and turns off completely after 85 seconds to preserve battery life. You can tap the Touch Bar, the keyboard, or the trackpad to wake it back up. He said there is no option to change this behavior in System Preferences.
This, along with the brightness of the Touch bar, should be customizable. Hopefully in a future software update...
 
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What exactly were you expecting?
People were expecting apple to magically make intel produce chips that fit the thin and light design idea. This has been there idea since the retina was introduced. Intel failed miserably. So apple did not do this or did not make it thicker or use chips that suck down more battery life. I see in the reviews already they are filtering with the battery life as is. So apple made the best of a crummy situation.

The revolution will come when they move to in house chip production. Till then people should just direct the noise to intel.
 
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Glad I purchased my 2015 MBP and just purchased AppleCare. Now I don't have to worry about dongles and issues for at least another two years. In the meantime I hope Apple can have courage to give me 32gb Ram or more and come down to their senses bringing back some useful ports but not holding my breath. They will keep making computers thinner and less useful or maybe not making computers at all. SMDH.
 
Apple Marketing:
"Hi Timmy... I mean Mr. Cook... I have bad news, more bad news, and great news...
- Bad news: Even though we are pretending sales are amazing, a lot less than expected
are buying the new MBPs. I think we made it too obvious that were shafting customers
on purpose.
- More bad news: Even though our competitors only have a profit margin of 3%, it would
be crazy for us to reduce the MBP profit margin to less than 40%. I recomend we
cancel the entire Mac computer lineup and get out of the computer business.
- Really good news: Since there are over 1 million apps on the iOS app store, there's
no need for computers or developers anymore. It will take most people a lifetime
to go through all the apps."

Timmy:
"Awesome!!!
Cancel the Mac lineup,
increase the price of the iOS lineup,
put out a statement that the new prices are magical,
and ignore any calls from Tylor Swift."

Jokes aside... under Tim, the need for excesive profit is starting to show signs of people jumping ship (I'm not implying everyone). It's too bad cause I love Apple quality and I love the new MBPs (the touch bar and simplicity of the versitile USC C ports is great), but the significant increased pricing seems to show the classic downward spiral where investors take control and suck the life right out of a company.
 
One of the worst reviews (the video) I have ever watched.
I will just copy and paste what I typed on the video's comment section.
Cool shots of the reviewer, terrible review. 3/4 of the review you speak only about the touch bar and not anything else. Shots of the touch bar are too short, bad angles and not enough light in general. Not even mention the specs of the machine you are reviewing. and on and on. One of the least informative reviews I have watched in years.
 
All these reviews... and nothing on the amd pro graphics? No benchmarks to see how much more powerful it is compare to last gen? Or how much weaker it is to the entry pascal?


And you guys call yourself reviewers...
 
If you primarily use the MacBook Pro with a Thunderbolt Display and keyboard, for example, he said the Touch Bar will "do nothing for you."
If you primarily use your mac with a mouse, the Touch Pad will "do nothing for you."

If you primarily use an external monitor, the Retina display will "do nothing for you".

If you primarily keep your data on external hard drives, the fast SSD will do very little for you.

If you primarily run Windows on your Mac, MacOS will "do nothing for you".

If you primarily watch TV in your living room, or play touch football in the park, your MBP in your briefcase will "do nothing for you."

If you're a reviewer who doesn't use his laptop as a laptop, your review will do nothing for me.
 
Lenovo tried a simpler version of it a few years ago on their Thinkpad. Users complained so much that Lenovo went back to the standard Fn keys the very next year.

Razer tried it too with a few of their laptops and some of their mechanical keyboard. Maybe Apple will have better luck with their attempt with a closed system and loyal followers, but they weren't first to the programmable keyboard party by any means.
 
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So touchscreen IS professional, according to Apple, on an iOS device (iPad Pro), but NOT professional on an OS/X (MacOS) machine?
Got it.

Yes. They're used for very different applications. I have an iPad Pro 9.7" with the Apple Pencil. It's the best stylus I've used yet for any sort of artistic work. When I prepare video for bid presentations for construction companies, the MBP is for video editing, the iPad Pro is for drawing in content. All color correction and heavy duty editing is done prior to the iPad. If I tried to do what I do on the iPad on the MBP, it would be extremely time consuming and not worth it at my hourly rate.
 
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The move from the 'classic' Macbook pro with the Superdrive to the Retina was welcome. By 2012 it was only the minority that had CD's/DVD's/burned discs with them. It was ready to become niche. 2016 Macbook Pro retina with Touch Bar, people are not anywhere near ready to compromise on ports, have another interface thrown at them and absorb these price increases when real world pay hasn't gone up for the majority across the world in a number of years.

It is a mis-step. They didn't need to reinvent anything. Replace Thunderbolt 2 ports with USB-c/Thunderbolt 3 and get rid of the headphone jack to back up the iPhone rhetoric. Easy. Keep the Macbook Air 11 and 13 around as a low point of entry.
 
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If I didn't desperately need an upgrade, I would wait. My own feelings about this version of MBPs, in combination with the price and, now, these scathing reviews would surely hold me back. Some of these sites are pretty damn pro-Apple, yet the reviews are nothing to write home about. In any event, I am hoping it will arrive for me tomorrow and I will somehow forget about all of the negatives.
 
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I honestly think they're not too prideful. Have you used a touchscreen for professional work? I have and it's horrible. You have to clean it everyday and the smudges get in the way of my color grading and overlay work.

Also when using a pen.. I highly doubt that..
 
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Not sure what everyone expected. Laptops are very mature products. Evolution steps are bound to become smaller.
I think everyone's expectation was sky high because it took apple so long to update the laptop, but I agree with you, what else could they have done?
 
I'd rather buy Chromebooks for 5 people for Christmas than one MacBook Pro. Macs are always expensive (but worth it) but this seems significantly overpriced to me.
 
As soon as you get over the flash-factor and have to get down to business you soon realize whether this thing is a hit or a miss. As already pointed out by a reviewer, changing volume is now buried in a menu. That's one of those things which will just annoy people.
As much as having contextual buttons available to you I'm also used to having volume and iTunes controls available on the top of my keyboard. I regularly use show desktop button and the brightness controls.
I'm fortunately not due an upgrade but if I was I'd seriously consider a PC laptop. Since Apple abandoned the professional software market there is little reason for me to be riding this train other than I like my mbp.

And finally, have they started delivery of the dongles yet? I imagine this is a pretty expensive brick to most people without a horde of dongles.
 
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