I doubt anyone had high hopes of that happening. But they should do it at least as a compensation for being involuntary enrolled in hardware beta test program.
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I doubt anyone had high hopes of that happening. But they should do it at least as a compensation for being involuntary enrolled in hardware beta test program.
You should all try as it has happened for one member, although I believe they are with in 90 days of ownership and a one off exception by Apple.
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https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...aphics-options-coming-to-macbook-pro.2150764/
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https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...aphics-options-coming-to-macbook-pro.2150764/
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Yeah, I had the feeling Apple's "solution" would turn out to be something like this. Sorry to hear that, I might try to ask at the Apple Store as well when I drop by, but I suspect the answer will be the same.
And I am diagnosed as AMD fanboy by fanboy of Intel, Nvidia or Apple?Have you not seen his post history from years back? He has been hedging for AMD to supercede Nvidia for years (he thought mobile Nvidia was dead, for us only to see them making $$$$$ with a deal with Nintendo and still continue to dominate the laptop market), then he wonders why people find it hard to believe they will deliver anything to wow us. I don't know anyone who is more AMD-obssessed/fanboy than him on this forum.
Apparently AMD are good honest ethical company, all their marketing is 100% genuine. Any other company however, the devil, we must ignore their marketing etc.
Me, I couldn't care if it's an AMD, Nvidia or Intel, but people need to stop regurgitating stuff from websites as fact, which he does far too often. I have no issue with him being so obsessed with AMD that he reads every article about them everyday, but does he need to turn some of these threads into "AMDRumors"?
I am free to talk about any company I like, and use any company's hardware I like(I actually have Intel/Nvidia based computer - which, for sure, makes me AMD fanboy). I do like hardware, and I am interested in it. AMD has most exciting hardware coming in 2019 from all of the companies around, apart from Apple silicon team(those are actually unbeaten currently in the market...).
I do talk about AMD, in the very topic, because, maybe you missed it, its about AMD's GPU.
P.S. Can you point me directly to a post in which I precisely say that Nvidia mobile GPUs are dead?
And I am diagnosed as AMD fanboy by fanboy of Intel, Nvidia or Apple?
I am free to talk about any company I like, and use any company's hardware I like(I actually have Intel/Nvidia based computer - which, for sure, makes me AMD fanboy). I do like hardware, and I am interested in it. AMD has most exciting hardware coming in 2019 from all of the companies around, apart from Apple silicon team(those are actually unbeaten currently in the market...).
I do talk about AMD, in the very topic, because, maybe you missed it, its about AMD's GPU.
P.S. Can you point me directly to a post in which I precisely say that Nvidia mobile GPUs are dead?
Do any of my posts make me look like an Apple fanboy? I think my criticism of them is quite strong throughout the last few years.
I haven't speculated about any Nvidia GPU's that I can remember, nor do I follow any news of their new GPU's. I don't even want or need a dGPU-based laptop (only just started considering the 15" due to disappointment at the MacBook Air
, but most likely won't buy it) so I couldn't care if its Nvidia, Intel or AMD. That rules out being an Nvidia fanboy.As for Intel, how can anyone be a fan of Intel? They let everyone down many times with their delayed chips. Yet as much as they fail, AMD has yet to take over significant market share.
As for the Nvidia comment, it was probably in your Zen thread from around 2 years ago, some talk about how AMD will have a great mobile solution and that Nvidia should be worried... There were loads of posts, I mean we are talking over years now... Let's just say you vastly overestimated AMD before based on articles you've read, and oh boy did you paste a lot of articles
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And if I posted a lot of articles, about tech, that I was excited about did that made me AMD fanboy?Do any of my posts make me look like an Apple fanboy? I think my criticism of them is quite strong throughout the last few years.
I haven't speculated about any Nvidia GPU's that I can remember, nor do I follow any news of their new GPU's. I don't even want or need a dGPU-based laptop (only just started considering the 15" due to disappointment at the MacBook Air
As for Intel, how can anyone be a fan of Intel? They let everyone down many times with their delayed chips. Yet as much as they fail, AMD has yet to take over significant market share.
As for the Nvidia comment, it was probably in your Zen thread from around 2 years ago, some talk about how AMD will have a great mobile solution and that Nvidia should be worried... There were loads of posts, I mean we are talking over years now... Let's just say you vastly overestimated AMD before based on articles you've read, and oh boy did you paste a lot of articles
Most popular, by biggest margin are Nvidia MX150 GPUs. Ryzen 2500U, 4C/8T APU with Vega 8, which is 10% slower, than that GPU, costs less to engineer, costs less to manufacture, and uses less power(which allows manufacturers for smaller heatsinks, and single fan, which saves engineering effort, and cost compared to computer with a CPU and dGPU - that makes me AMD fanboy? Was I wrong here, also? From technical point of view, there is a lot to like about Ryzen CPUs, apart from one very important thing. Idle power consumption, which blatantly sucks. And this is the thing that stopped so far AMD from taking over a lot of laptop share. There are laptops with those chips, and nothing from Intel/Nvidia Combo at competitive price point(2500U laptop, with 256 GB SSD, and 8 GB's of RAM costs a lot less than comparable Core i5 8250U+MX150), from HP, Lenovo and Dell. Never, however, I said that AMD will take over Intel immediately. AMD gains a lot of marketshare, but getting into healthy balance of market share slaes, and installed base will take years, and that was clear. If you would read that Zen topic, you would see, I even posted about AMD installed base BEFORE Zen was released, 10% installed base, with 10% quarterly sales. Currently there is 14% installed base, with current marketshare of over 50% past 2 quarters(thanks to Intel's manufacturing constraints...).
I have never overestimated AMD. I was blatantly saying that Zen will be Broadwell IPC, with around 4 GHz core clocks, and that was perfectly correct. I have stated that Intel has a lot to worry, and that was perfectly correct: thanks to Zen, Intel right now offers 8 cores on mainstream platform, and thanks to that, 13 inch MBP has 4C/8T and thanks to that MBP15 inch has 6C/12T. Before Zen it was always 4C/8T design. Zen happened, we are now on 8 Cores. So ultimately - we, consumers won.
And this is the very reason I support AMD. Im not a fanboy of them, oh hell no. But I want better hardware. AMD offering 8C/8T Core i3 price equivalent(109$ price tag
), with Skylake IPC, and very high clocks is what I am eagerly waiting for next year. Because it will be consumers who will win thanks to this.You have said, that you do not care what you use. But you should care about all of companies being competitive. Because that way Apple computers will also be better, one way, or another(regardless if they will have 16C/32T CPU, 8C/16T APU, with 1536 GCN cores, 4 GB HBM2 on package as VRAM, or Intel + Nvidia Combo).
And if I posted a lot of articles, about tech, that I was excited about did that made me AMD fanboy?
Most popular, by biggest margin are Nvidia MX150 GPUs. Ryzen 2500U, 4C/8T APU with Vega 8, which is 10% slower, than that GPU, costs less to engineer, costs less to manufacture, and uses less power(which allows manufacturers for smaller heatsinks, and single fan, which saves engineering effort, and cost compared to computer with a CPU and dGPU - that makes me AMD fanboy? Was I wrong here, also? From technical point of view, there is a lot to like about Ryzen CPUs, apart from one very important thing. Idle power consumption, which blatantly sucks. And this is the thing that stopped so far AMD from taking over a lot of laptop share. There are laptops with those chips, and nothing from Intel/Nvidia Combo at competitive price point(2500U laptop, with 256 GB SSD, and 8 GB's of RAM costs a lot less than comparable Core i5 8250U+MX150), from HP, Lenovo and Dell. Never, however, I said that AMD will take over Intel immediately. AMD gains a lot of marketshare, but getting into healthy balance of market share slaes, and installed base will take years, and that was clear. If you would read that Zen topic, you would see, I even posted about AMD installed base BEFORE Zen was released, 10% installed base, with 10% quarterly sales. Currently there is 14% installed base, with current marketshare of over 50% past 2 quarters(thanks to Intel's manufacturing constraints...).
I have never overestimated AMD. I was blatantly saying that Zen will be Broadwell IPC, with around 4 GHz core clocks, and that was perfectly correct. I have stated that Intel has a lot to worry, and that was perfectly correct: thanks to Zen, Intel right now offers 8 cores on mainstream platform, and thanks to that, 13 inch MBP has 4C/8T and thanks to that MBP15 inch has 6C/12T. Before Zen it was always 4C/8T design. Zen happened, we are now on 8 Cores. So ultimately - we, consumers won.
And this is the very reason I support AMD. Im not a fanboy of them, oh hell no. But I want better hardware. AMD offering 8C/8T Core i3 price equivalent(109$ price tag
You have said, that you do not care what you use. But you should care about all of companies being competitive. Because that way Apple computers will also be better, one way, or another(regardless if they will have 16C/32T CPU, 8C/16T APU, with 1536 GCN cores, 4 GB HBM2 on package as VRAM, or Intel + Nvidia Combo).
Again I think you are making your posts way too long with information that isn't relevant.
Let's look at the top laptops that I may consider as a replacement in 2018:
- MacBook 15" / MacBook 13" TB / MacBook Air 2018
- Lenovo S730/Lenovo C930 (The S730 looks like it might win as it stands, awaiting release)
- HP Spectre x360 (2018)
- Asus Zenbook UX333/433/533
- Razerblade 15"
- XPS 9570
Considering this is 2018 - and Intel have been massively behind target, how much AMD involvement is there in those? Only 1 laptop, the MacBook 15", has an AMD dGPU. None of them have an AMD CPU.
This is the market that I am benchmarking against because this is the market we are interested in this forum. I know these Ryzen laptops exist but from what I've read/seen, they haven't been very popular and manufacturers are shying away from them - at least at the premium end.
I think there was some experimenting by a few to try AMD dGPU's with Intel on a few models with the 8705G chips eg XPS 9575 - but that looks like it will die, with Intel going into the dGPU market.
If by now, in 2018, after having been following premium laptop market for a decade, still can't break through, can you blame me for not thinking they will in the near future?
Why do you make your point based only on what YOU would consider, and not look at the wider market? Because it fits your narration?
There is plenty of laptops on the market. Not only those that you would consider. And they have Ryzen APUs.
Because it fits this forum... If I wanted to talk about desktops or servers I wouldn’t be doing it here. Isn’t that common sense?
AMD’s sales figures are irrelevant if they don’t make it in the premium laptop market or, in this case, the MacBooks. When there is a Ryzen MacBook, I’ll believe in AMD.
No surprises there, since they are not premium parts. They are designed for the low and mid-range market and they are very well positioned there. Intel and Nvidia definitely have the performance crown for the premium products.
Mobile Vega however, is shaping to be a premium product. HBM2 is huge and allows large energy savings without any sacrifice in performance. Its an ideal product for Apple, since it promises excellent performance and still allows very thin designs Apple wants to go for. The only real problem with the Vega is that its going to be ridiculously expensive and the availability will suck. So I don't see much market adoption there aside the MBP. Not many gamers would want to pay extra few hundreds for a thin-and light mobile Vega if they can get a larger, better performing GTX1070-equipped laptop for significantly less.
Aaaand, you did not see that Ryzen Mobile APUs are made not for premium products? Precisely the same target as MX150, and Core i5 8250U?
So why are we discussing them? Do you see me taking about the MX150 or the 8250U?
Until AMD are relevant in premium laptops or MacBooks, they are a non factor in discussions. We may as be talking about the advances of Raspery Pi.
this is somewhat off topic, but anyone know or heard when the new Vega graphics option can be ordered? I know Apple's website says late November, but has anyone found out whether late November means one can order it mid November with delivery in late November or that it can only be ordered in late November with delivery in December?
Believe it’s 14th of November that you can order them, pretty sure I saw that officially somewhere.
We were not discussing. You used different thread, that is in a sub- forum, where you can discuss ANY ALTERNATIVES to Mac Hardware, as a form of proof for your belief that I am AMD fanboy, when reality is: you failed to understand what has been discussed, and where.
I have said that Nvidia entry level products are in huge trouble, and the same thing goes for Intel. It was perfectly accurate, and still is in this context.
And yes, Zen architecture is advanced to the degree that we can discuss them as a real replacement option for Intel, on Apple hardware.
The most interesting aspects about this new GPU option are the feature set and future-proofing entailed (media, compute and newer standards compliance etc) and heat generation under light load (eg driving an external display).
The extra performance would be welcome as well, but really we're still talking entry-level to mid-level modern gaming capability here. It's a better option, but not exactly a great option in that respect.
The extra performance would be welcome as well, but really we're still talking entry-level to mid-level modern gaming capability here. It's a better option, but not exactly a great option in that respect.
From the linux drivers it appears Vega 12 has much more fine-grained clock stepping, similar to Ryzen CPUs. 25 MHz stepping to balance performance per watt.
What's the product name in those drivers? There was VEGA20 in AMD drivers back in January or so.
Good to know, every little thing helps. I remember back when I was running Mavericks I used to tinker with the kext file for the nvidia chip my mac has, and I was able to override the system settings and modify the clock speed. On Windows, you get more control over that with tools like nvidia inspector. So, threre are ways to force your way from the software and driver side of things.
What I am more interested in is the new architecture and how it relates to the MBP thermal limits. How does it perform at nominal clock speed, how efficient it is at lower clock rates compared to the GPU architecture it succeeds, and how HMB2 memory effeciency comes into play, and its size as well. Stuff like that.
UX550 is nicer or even UX580 if you want screenpad (I'm thinking to replace my daily driver MBP 15 2016 for UX580)
HP has some problem with dying screen spontaneously (a lot of modern models from past 2 years like spectre or envy), usually after 1 year of warranty, I have Spectre x360 2017 and screen needs to replaced I also have Envy x360 AMD A12 which needs also new screen
MacBook only good choice if you need MacOS
XPS 9570, probably better will be equivalent from Precision series with longer and a lot of cheaper warranty
Razer Blade 15, if you have chance to get 2 or 3 years warranty, it's a good choice
Lenovo, the best series is P
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I wouldn't consider them unfortunately due to the battery size. I would want at least 80Wh battery and these fall way too short of that. It's a shame as most other things about those laptops are great.
True, but what matters is the relation of performance to form factor. If Vega delivers, the MBP will be an uncontested GPU performance leader in its form factor (we are talking about 3+ GFLOPS in a sub 2kg laptop!) . The potential exception would be Razer Blade of course, but that is a machine designed for a very different purpose.
Vega 16 will be around 25-30% faster than Radeon Pro 560X(Between GTX 1050 and GTX 1050 Ti levels). Vega Pro 20 should be between 55-65% faster, depending on situations.
I so f****** want this GPU to be released on desktop, just to see what it can do in high TDP scenarios. It is by huge margin most efficient GPU in the world right now. Only thing that can beat it is GT117, but that remains to be confirmed untill Nvidia will release them on the market.
I so f****** want this GPU to be released on desktop, just to see what it can do in high TDP scenarios. It is by huge margin most efficient GPU in the world right now. Only thing that can beat it is GT117, but that remains to be confirmed untill Nvidia will release them on the market.