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The funny part of this conversation is how many people think they "need" 32GB of RAM... but are probably really only needing 8GB.

Oh, you mean the people who would like to have a newer processor and graphics chip than the ones that are in the now nearly three year old Mac Pro trash can?

Most people aren't going to think they "need" 32 GB of RAM if they don't really need it. Reason being that the average consumer or "prosumer" who only needs 8 GB or 16 GB is not going to consider paying the extortionist pricing that Apple would charge for 32 GB of RAM if they offered it in the MacBook Pro.
 
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This. Instead of this daft obsession with thinness where none further is needed, why not use the extra thickness to fill it with extra battery to take it to 24 hours? I mean, come on Apple, why not do something valuable for your customers? Something that WILL make a difference. Doing this would remove this shoddy and lame 32gb excuse.
At this point, I suspect the best they can do, is try to find a better excuse.
 
Oh yeah no bother - so after spending 2.5K on the MBP you want me to spend another 4k+ on a mac pro. Oh yeah sure no bother. OR.....I could buy a Dell for 2.5K that has the 32GB RAM. Yeah thats right - Dell can pack that into a laptop - with 4K display. and Edge-to-edge display - and a mixture of ports!!! And it looks good!

Also - sometimes when travelling I might be away for a week, or maybe a month. My work that needs the 32GB shoudl just wait till I get home according to your rules ?




Yeah have you seen the price of the 2Tb SSD version ?


Just go get a Dell then.
 
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In my work, I use multiple memory-intensive VMs simultaneously, so I've been wishing for more than 16 GB of RAM in MacBook Pro for a while. In my music hobby, my Vienna Ensemble Pro templates can easily exceed 32 GB of RAM.

My ThinkPad P50 has 64 GB of RAM, and there are Dell and HP mobile workstations that can be configured with this much, too. So by current professional standards, the new MacBook Pro is behind the curve.
Cool. I check even Dell Vostro can have up to 32GB of RAM. That's good to know.
Even the Surface Book and Surface Pro are behind the curve.
 
But then why would you need a Macbook Pro ? Why not get a Macbook Air ? It's plenty of power for productivity . Who do you think buys the MacPro ? Accountants ? Writers ? Wall Street traders ?

Your typical scarf wearing, latte drinking, rimmed glass wearing, lanky arse hipster, who totes any new apple product at a coffee shop who seems to look like they are doing important work on their mbp. But in reality when you look at their screen they are just looking at twitter feeds, answering to rhetoric in this forum, surfing for a xmas scarf that costs $100 while rejecting websites that do not offer apple pay. These are your demographic mbp buyers. They will buy it because they don't need more than 16GB because apple says so. If apple took out the battery in the next mbp revision and said they were courageous enough to use only solar power to power their mbp these are the same idiots who will pay for it without hesitation because it's an apple product.

No one asked for a touchbar but many have asked for a touchscreen. No one asked for removal of any ports but yet you get 4 usb-c ports and a crap load of dongles to go with that at probably $25 each. You really have to be daft to buy another apple laptop in 2016.
 
it is: "do you use the battery in your current retina Macbook Pro?"
- yes
- no
- not sure.


but seriously, check at those batteries, they are small!! unless skylake is doing miracles, i can't believe they'll last 10hours. i'm on mobile so i can't check mAh values quickly, but please do!!


apple website doesn't publish mah
 
The funny part of this conversation is how many people think they "need" 32GB of RAM... but are probably really only needing 8GB.

Most people don't need -- usually non-Pros who just want some features from the Pro lineup. Even professional photographers, except, maybe, medium format photographers, don't need more than 16GB. But engineers, Java programmers (I'm kidding, or not really), virtual machine users, scientists, all of them would see benefit in 32GB and even more.
 
How much RAM will the system theoretically support? 64GB? Find out what kind of RAM they used and have a place that repairs logic boards solder it on for you. Then we can test the battery life explanation. I've read some people have done that to other rMBPs to upgrade the RAM.

I think the U processors still max out at 32.
 
Funny how some people thought that 640k was enough RAM for anyone.

Please try to understand that some / most pro users like / want / need to use 32 GB or more of RAM.

Your iPhone has more RAM than you can imagine was ever necessary in a PowerMac G4.

And don't forget most buyers of this MacBook (Pro) will take them into 2020 with this machine (you cannot upgrade RAM). By then 16 GB will be probably minimal for macOS 10.16 ("Rocky".. you heard it here first).
Which is why I will wait this upgrade out. Once the specs improve significantly I will upgrade.
 
There's a lot of butthurt on the forums lately. Funny how every single person here seems to NEED 32GB of RAM. How are you existing on your 16GB of RAM older MacBook now?

Pricing is expensive, but then again my 2012 rMBP was $2400 when I bought it over 4 years ago. Pulled the trigger on a 15" 512GB MBP yesterday. Came to ~2700.
 
This whole battery life explanation stinks of BS. It's never been a major problem before, why is it now? Phil doesn't seem to realize a lot of pros use their MacBooks plugged in most of the time.

They just keep chipping away at the word "Pro" until at some point it's just a joke.
 
So they couldn't figure out how to stick a bigger battery into it? It seems like MBP was an afterthought for Apple and they updated it only to keep people from complaining.
 
Good answer. 99% of all users value battery life over masses of unnecessary RAM that macOS really doesn't need. I'm glad Apple remains focused on the important things.

That's right. Everyone doing any kind of graphics or video work definitely prefers battery over extra RAM. That's 103% undebatable fact.
 
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Too bad Apple was too cheap to do what they did in 2012: Put the latest CPU/GPU in the previous chassis. I would've been more than happy if they put late 2016 internals in a 2015 rMBP 15 chassis and skipped the cheesy toolbar. Then we could've had the ports we wanted, the magsafe we wanted, the keyboard we wanted, and the RAM WE WANTED!!!!
 
My apologies if this has already been answered, but I didn't see anything about this specifically.

Do we know yet if the components are soldered in so they can't be upgraded after the fact, like with other recent models? My older MBP wasn't, and I was able to buy upgraded RAM and a bigger HD and install it on my own to circumvent Apple's insane upgrade costs. But I know with other recent models they have made that impossible. Is that the case here again? I would assume so, since Apple want's to be able to charge an arm, a leg, and your firstborn just to get a reasonably-sized HD in an already $3k machine.
 
Sorry, but I still am in awe over how this is supposed to be a PROFESSIONAL tool, yet Apple is catering to the vapid masses of casual users with highly disposable income.

Give us a choice at least? A lot of engineering, graphics and software developers like the convenience of a powerful laptop, something they can pick up and bring to a boardroom to demonstrate something they are working on, and then go back to their desk and dock it for the other 90% of the time they are working. If Apple can't make a laptop last 2 - 3 hours on a battery, even with 32gb of RAM, which is the worst excuse I have ever heard BTW, then they need to step away from this market and stick to making cameras.

Yet so many people here are siding with Apple because they don't personally need 32gb of RAM and this screams of how many people here are simply not "professionals".

How about Apple do something I N N O V A T I V E, like since they design the OS and commissioned the hardware from Intel, how about supporting a mode where on battery you only use 16gb, but on wall power you can use the whole 32gb. You know, the system dynamically addresses RAM to better conserve energy as appropriate? I know that could be a little tricky to implement, but nothing throwing a few billion of ill-gotten profits into couldn't solve.

Instead all Apple did was create a touch bar so that it makes it easier for "professionals" to pick emojis to put into their social posts.

Phil Schiller, or rather Phil "Shiller", doesn't know what a professional does on the devices he is in charge of shilling to consumers and tries to dismiss ******* decisions, probably by Tim Cook, that are crippling the brand.
 
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Guys, let us vote with our wallets and not buy this garbage. I for one, will look elsewhere.

As an iOS developer my wallet would hurt real bad if I didn't purchase this. :confused:

I'm guessing we'll see a Mid/Late 2017 update with a 32GB option, just to spite us who need to purchase this generation.
 
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