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If you take a step back its pretty obvious all of Apple's laptops are just variations of Macbook Air's, with the associated limitations that come with focusing almost totally on thin and light (this Air Pro has a low end GPU and low RAM limit).

Apple doesn't really make high end laptops anymore...this is just a limitation of making a high end Air. JMHO....
 
That's their reason?

If they're so concerned about battery life, why does it have to be "Thinner"?

Go back to the "Courage" argument, tell people they're much braver if they only have 16GB, it makes just as much sense.

This. Instead of this daft obsession with thinness where none further is needed, why not use the extra thickness to fill it with extra battery to take it to 24 hours? I mean, come on Apple, why not do something valuable for your customers? Something that WILL make a difference. Doing this would remove this shoddy and lame 32gb excuse.
 
That's ridiculous. They should just give the option anyway, at our own risk. Most of us are connected to an outlet 99.99% of the time.


THIS! time 10 billion.

If people want longer battery life, they can order a 16GB Laptop. For those of us who have out computers plugged in nearly 100% of the time, even photographers who shoot tethered on set, would love to have a 32GB option.

And if want significantly longer battery life for travel, I'm taking my MacBook Air - not my 15" MBP.

Would love Mac Rumors to tell Phil to add the 32GB option, then place a disclaimer "32GB option will consumer more power than 16GB and shorten the battery life".
 
Ridiculous and false reasoning. Had they used LPDDR4 instead of LPDDR3 they could have stuck 32GB in that machine at an even lower voltage level.

EDIT:// Also Samsung is selling LPDD4x a new off-shoot which goes down to 0.6v (compared to 1.2v of LPDDR3 and 1.1v of LPDDR4). They definitely could have got some from Samsung but chose not to.

The CPU used in these computers supports both DDR3 and DDR4 and the Samsung LPDDR4x is materially identical to LPDDR4 in compatibility, it just lowers I/O voltage.
How? Skylake doesn't support LPDDR4. Skylake does support DDR4, but that is not the same thing as LPDDR4.
 
How many people have an existing laptop with 32GB of RAM? Just wondering. From the amount of complaints, sounds like majority here have existing laptops with 32GB of RAM, and thus looking for a new laptop with the same feature.

In my work, I use multiple memory-intensive VMs simultaneously, so I've been wishing for more than 16 GB of RAM in MacBook Pro for a while. In my music hobby, my Vienna Ensemble Pro templates can easily exceed 32 GB of RAM.

My ThinkPad P50 has 64 GB of RAM, and there are Dell and HP mobile workstations that can be configured with this much, too. So by current professional standards, the new MacBook Pro is behind the curve.
 
Ridiculous and false reasoning. Had they used LPDDR4 instead of LPDDR3 they could have stuck 32GB in that machine at an even lower voltage level.

EDIT:// Also Samsung is selling LPDD4x a new off-shoot which goes down to 0.6v (compared to 1.2v of LPDDR3 and 1.1v of LPDDR4). They definitely could have got some from Samsung but chose not to.

The CPU used in these computers supports both DDR3 and DDR4 and the Samsung LPDDR4x is materially identical to LPDDR4 in compatibility, it just lowers I/O voltage.
I want you to bold the letters as I have had here, so people realise, get educated and not be fooled.
Thankyou.
 
Ditto. Have 64 GB of ECC RAM in my P50. And yes, I need it.

It's a nice feature when you need dealing with a lot of data at once. Dealing with 50GB of data having only 16GB of RAM can damage the SSD even if it runs at 50% of RAM speed (which is far from being the case on the 2016 rMBP).
 
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was just looking at the store too.

The only way to get the quad core is also going 15" version as neither 13" models offer Quad Core CPU (which IMHO makes them more MacBook Airs than MacBook Pros)

And the 15" Quad-Core base price is $2999.99 Canadian. That's a lot. For $3,000 Canadian, there are a lot of options at that price for high end powerful laptops. Many offering far more functionality / features.

I was hoping for a 13" quad core myself- but in fairness I don't think anyone makes a quad-core 13" laptop so maybe it is actually hard to do
 
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Outrageously ludicrous design excuses. A professional laptop that not only restricts users from upgrading RAM themselves but also limits how much RAM they can have. I can't even plug in my professional mbp for power and get 32GB RAM because that would not be apple like. This is just more insults from the big apple.

For the price you paid for you'd expect 32GB of RAM STANDARD. I really hope this company takes a dump on the stock market and I cannot wait to see them succumb to becoming just like RIM due to their own arrogance.
 
Then please define for all of us what "Pro" dictates, and cite when the public at large selected you to make that determination. Thanks.

to me, a Pro machine is about priorities.

There's nothing wrong with a laptop that puts it's #1 priorities on light weight and very long battery life.

But when you talk about "professional grade", the Priority is often more on focusing on what helps complete work faster. Making a device thinner and lighter doesn't make a device perform work faster. or more work better. Making it thinner often has the opposite affect.

again, thats fine for average consumer. But when you start talking professional, professionals (doesn't matter what work they do), tend to look more for performance and feature set as their higher priority over shaving 3mm of the size.

And I think this is why there's so much issues with this new MacBook Pro. aside from the OLED bar, this device takes away from "performance and features first" and focused more on making it light and thinner. There's really nothing else added of significant value.

TLDR versions:
Professionals aren't looking to sacrifice functionality and performance for thin. Apple is aiming at the thin is better crowd. There might be some overlap, but it's not as big as I believe Apple thinks it is.
 
I'm ecstatic. Know why? I don't have to worry about considering whether or not to spend money on a new MacBook considering what they are charging for these.

I currently have a 13 inch rMBP late 2012 model and its still working like a champ. I do kinda like the touch bar and will still play with one when they come into the Apple stores, but I really need more reasons to upgrade than what this has to offer. I don't know, I see what they are doing with the MacBook Pros and the Mac line and it really does seem like its getting stale. Even if the Microsoft Surface Studio ends up being a dud in terms of performance and such, at least Microsoft seems more willing to go places to sell products whereas Apple is just kinda playing the "we are comfy right here" game. I get wanting to wait to perfect features but at some point you really have to question how long it actually takes them

My wife will also be very happy to learn I won't be upgrading the Mac this year LOL.
 
Some people actually need 32gb... I'm glad you can set the straight - by telling people to stop whining!

Do they? So if they NEED 32gb of ram they can't have been using a Mac to do any work on all this time. Or they're desperate to move their iMac only experience onto the road.
 
I need 32 GB of RAM

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What are you doing that requires that??
 
This is not the Apple Car.
Who need an Apple car at the current price evolutions ? It won`t be long before you need to make the amazing decision between a car loan and a loan for one of their future macbook's.

As a developer I often hit the technology boundaries MacBooks have including the 16Gb of RAM and need to offload stuff (virtualisation, ML,... ) to beefier non Mac hardware.

That being said I love my Macbook but it's certainly not without limits.
 
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I think the New Razer will have a 13" model with both quad core and 1060 GPU. not sure the price yet. but it might have won me over from the MacBook Pro

Aha good to know! Thanks! They are a brand I'm not familiar with. Any good ?
 
Maybe you should look for a desktop then? I can see no fault in designing a mobile computer for battery life.

Does Apple still make desktop computers?? Are you sure???? I think these laptops are it. The whole product line.

The desktop line hasn't had a serious update in YEARS, and there is ZERO indication from Apple that they will be updated in the future.
 
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