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New MacBook Pros Max Out at 16GB RAM Due to Battery Life Concerns
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It's also hard to switch to windows if your operation is running on multiple macs ( most photostudio's ),
mine uses 2 mac pro's ( editing, tethering ), macbook pro ( location ), 2 air's ( meetings ) ... and everyone I work with is also on Apple ...
mine uses 2 mac pro's ( editing, tethering ), macbook pro ( location ), 2 air's ( meetings ) ... and everyone I work with is also on Apple ...
Good luck with that when you start doing 4k.
The competition never sleep.
Apple is sleeping (lately).
Apple is sleeping (lately).
So they think that professional user spend their day cruising the web on wifi or playing iTunes video???
Idiots. Clueless idiots.
Idiots. Clueless idiots.
That argument makes sense for something like the Air. But this is the PRO. People use this to edit photos and 4k videos. So, stop worrying about how damn thin you can get it, and start worrying about how powerful you can make it.... The Pro should have the SD Card slot and 32GB RAM. Since all cameras still use SD Cards and we need to edit large files today. This is by no means a MacBook Pro... It's more of an upgraded Air. I'll keep my late 2013 MacBook Pro until this idiot cook decides to understand the point of the MacBook Pro and what the people that buy it actually use it for. The Touch Bar would be cool for editing 4k Videos, but I am not about to sacrifice my SD Card slot and pay $2300 for just a better screen and a little faster processor. No thanks.
So the pro isn't very pro, and the airs are out. So that's pro and student markets killed. Will there be any market where everyone seems to have a macbook anymore? There'll still be the rich consumer market and apple diehards, but they'll only appeal to their social circles.
You can walk into just about any university lecture and see a wall of macbook logos (lit up). You can walk into certain offices and see a mac on every desk. If people only see the new ones when they hang out with some particular friend, there's a lot less legitimisation of macs as useful tools. And given most things can be done just as easily on a surface or other windows laptop, letting more of them appear in those environments will stop macs from being the default choice for people who just want something that works but isn't sure what to get.
You can walk into just about any university lecture and see a wall of macbook logos (lit up). You can walk into certain offices and see a mac on every desk. If people only see the new ones when they hang out with some particular friend, there's a lot less legitimisation of macs as useful tools. And given most things can be done just as easily on a surface or other windows laptop, letting more of them appear in those environments will stop macs from being the default choice for people who just want something that works but isn't sure what to get.
Obviously most mac users don't need 32gb ram now. It's just to make their macs last a little bit longer. Ram still doubles every 2 years, and computers and phones get slower without it. It's like $1000 iPhones (Australia) in 2015/16 with 16gB storage! This is even worse though, it's not like Apple customers expected not pay an extra $300 or so for 32Gb. Something worth noting is that the S model iPhones double the RAM. If I were buying a new iPhone I'd make sure it had more ram than last years model. I think lots of mac users now are getting excited about Dells Hps, Microsofts etc. I think the RAM is the final insult to give them an excuse to be valued as a customer elsewhere. Lets face it Tim has turned Apple into high St bling fashion. Keep it real people. The MacBook Air was from Steve Jobs era. The uber thin bling gold MacBook and gold Apple watch sums up Tims Apple. Gay lol
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I use my MBP AC corded 90% of the time, so more RAM is what I care about more in the top dog MBP. Apple has become clueless.
Bring back slotted memory DIMMS, Apple!
The Touchbar is an embarrassment. Years of ignoring and angering creative professionals has led to THIS... an emoji-selecting bar. Jesus!
I edit 4K in Premiere Pro and FCP X on a 2012 MBP with 16GB and the NVIDIA 650 (1G) video. I did have to upgrade to an SSD (2TB EVO) for this to be a smoother experience. The Adobe apps are more likely to spin up the fan than FCP X, and more likely to crash when editing. After Effects really taxes the system.
My video is DCI 4K, 4:2:2. I end up chewing through 1TB external drives on projects, but RAM has almost never been the big problem I anticipated it being.
Also, I don't run anything else when I'm in Avid, Premiere, or FCP X. There's not time and no need to be in Chrome or my email app when I'm trying to get a project finished. My wife (new iMac, 32GB) does have everything and anything open while she works, though.
Given a choice? I'd buy a MBP with 32GB or even 64GB and a killer video card. As long as I could still get about five hours from a charge, I could use a power cord when rendering larger projects in After Effects.
Hey, thanks for not even bothering to make an effort to read or think before responding.
Sounds like you're cranky because you're stuck on an aging iMac without enough RAM, must be tough for a "Pro"'.
I have more than enough tools to do the job, maybe you should take your own advice, go out and buy a macbook pro if you think they're so great. In fact, since you vociferously defend Apple on this matter, maybe they'll give you a discount, then you can get on with your life.
All the Pros I know had a good laugh at Apple's expense, as soon as the New MBP was released.
Actually, the first statement ("RAM is always an issue"), it seems, is very true. But the second statement is inaccurate. Yes, Jobs had made promises about the manufacturing cost/retail price (and inherent there: revenues/profits) of the Mac. This was the YOUNG Jobs, before the "under-promise and over-deliver" epiphany, perhaps. But well prior to that, Jobs got into a tiff with the engineering team over the amount of RAM the machine needed (at a time the Board probably was completely unaware what the team was doing, before even the pirate flag offsite days). It got so heated—and as it was for Jobs, who NEVER lost an argument, to the point team members learned to communicate to Steve in such a way to make HIM believe it was HIS idea they were telling him about—that the engineering team acquiesced to Jobs' petulant demands at the time. However, Burrell Smith, the hardware engineer on the Mac—nay the FATHER of the Mac!—was SO convinced he was right, he designed the Mac's memory subsystem to support more RAM by wiring in 2 additional address lines. (And it was Smith's brilliance that allowed Apple to ship the 512KB "Fat Mac" only a few months later with minimal changes to the motherboard, not a rework of the core hardware). The team simply didn't bother to mention to Steve what they'd done. And the Board never even knew.
http://www.folklore.org/StoryView.py?project=Macintosh&story=Diagnostic_Port.txt
(Andy Hertzfeld's site is just incredible. I assure you, read that article… you'll end up there for another 10 before you close your browser window. I cringe to think that because of since-Steve's-return-Apple's tight-lipped fascist policy of secrecy we may never read more modern tales of the engineering brilliance and hijinks that are going on inside Apple right now. That will be a loss to humanity.)
I've had 32GB RAM in my 2009 iMac for 4+ years. Most of the time, it's using more than 16GB RAM, and I don't do much video editing. I would hate for my new MacBook Pro to need to compress memory and then use swap. Then again, it should do these two things very fast, but still not as fast as 32GB of RAM.
Total amount of RAM isn't directly related to the speed of your system. Sure, it will slow down with less if the OS doesn't handle memory efficiently (Android) or if you load up the system memory with too many intensive tasks at the same time (any OS), but adding RAM doesn't have a significant impact on speed outside of those scenarios.
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Final Cut Pro recommends 8GB for 4K. That's not the base. That's the recommended amount for high quality performance. However, any program or system can be overloaded with too many concurrent processing tasks at the same time. So the user does have to keep that in mind for workflow.
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I've got 14GB of RAM in a 2009 Mac Pro and the best upgrade I've ever made for graphics work is the video card, not the system RAM.
The perfect Mac Rumours laptop would be 15" thick and contain a car battery.
But does it have more than 16GB of RAM? if so where can I obtain this magical device
Yet surprisingly, Samsung, HTC and a few other major game players have announced the removal of the headphone jack....
A bit like all the whiny people who complained about the new MacBook keyboard. People hate change, but change is a part of life. All those people with 8 track cassettes would have been shouting the same when they stopped putting them in cars.
The lack of the headphone socket on the iPhone has made ZERO difference as you get an adaptor so you can listen in good old analog.
I don't think these laptops are pro machines. The 13inch MBP is really just a MB with a MBP shell. How can you still have integrated graphics in this day and age on such an expensive laptop? And 16GB RAM limit....I have a 2011 MBP that still works fairly well. Bought it 2 years ago off craigslist for $300....saw the same model at Microcenter for $1K.......lol. I'm glad a lot of Apple users are finally waking up to the practices of this company. This laptop is aimed at college kids now. The parents will buy it regardless of price because the kids "need" it to graduate college.....Certainly not a "pro" machine. It's all great advertising and marketing on apples part. I mean, the S line of iPhones is a great example of how the company rips the consumer off. We'll sell you this iPhone X but you know we're bringing out the faster version of the phone in 6 months.
And one thing I've learned about phones is to NOT update the OS. I see that Apple phone always have high adoption rates compared to android phones. These new OS updates are made for the latest hardware. They will eventually make your phone run slow and force you to upgrade due to un-usabilty (planned obsolescence in action here). I don't own an iPhone but am thinking it forces you to update but I could be wrong.
And one thing I've learned about phones is to NOT update the OS. I see that Apple phone always have high adoption rates compared to android phones. These new OS updates are made for the latest hardware. They will eventually make your phone run slow and force you to upgrade due to un-usabilty (planned obsolescence in action here). I don't own an iPhone but am thinking it forces you to update but I could be wrong.
Despite featuring more energy efficient Skylake processors, faster SSDs, better GPUs, and new thermal architecture, Apple's revamped MacBook Pros continue to max out at 16GB RAM.
Many customers have been wondering why Apple didn't bump up the maximum RAM to 32GB, including MacRumors reader David, who emailed Apple to ask and got an explanation from marketing chief Phil Schiller. According to Schiller, more than 16GB RAM would consume too much power and have a negative impact on battery life.
While most average customers likely couldn't utilize 32GB RAM, the MacBook Pro is aimed at professionals who need more computing power and who may occasionally feel the constraints of being limited to 16GB RAM. There will undoubtedly be customers who are disappointed that Apple has not offered a choice between better performance and battery life.
For the 2016 MacBook Pro, Apple was able to reach "all-day battery life," which equates to 10 hours of wireless web use or iTunes movie playback. That's an hour improvement over the previous generation in the 15-inch machine, and a small step back in the 13-inch machine.
While none of Apple's portable machines offer more than 16GB RAM, 32GB of RAM is a high-end custom upgrade option in the 27-inch iMac.
Article Link: New MacBook Pros Max Out at 16GB RAM Due to Battery Life Concerns
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Seriously? So much battery life was lost when doubling the RAM? Down to 4 hours or something?
Also, and get this, people who do processing-intensive tasks that use memory will be sapping up the battery faster regardless. Why not just buy the thing and use it as a statue? There, your battery life problem is resolved.
There's an actual reason for their chicanery and trying to scapegoat the technology. But I don't think people are going to care.
No worries, your tax dollars and other entitlements keep this company going when your money as a customer go to another company. Maybe Microsoft can do another bailout?
The capacity of RAM chips does not affect how much power they consume. But I guess Apple don’t expect their consumers to have a clue or fact check.