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This is a BIG screw up for Intel. You know Apple's chip designers are getting ready to hop in and do what Intel can't.

getting rid of their loyal customers ? ;-)

Being serious again: As soon as Apple goes away from x86 compatibility, i'm out. Need a system that can run Linux, Windows *and* OSX both in native and/or VMs.
 
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Apple definitely has become out of touch with people who have been loyal users and followers for decades. Granted, I have a 1985 Mac Plus that was my first computer in my office now that runs fine as well as owned just about every Apple product professionally and personally since then. Latest being iPhone 7's and 7 Plusses and MacBook Retina 12. This period reminds me of the Performa days. Jonny Ive needs to go. Nothing revolutionary coming out of him for years. Just a lot of blah, blah, blah and alumin-eeeium. Thin at the expense of performance, usability and guts is not design. If design trumps engineering for design-sake, then Apple is done. Do you see any new designs lately? These new MacBook Pros look just like my late 2013 MB Pro Retina 13 inch. The touchbar is not compelling enough to get me to replace it. Nor is smaller and thinner. Nor is much more expensive. The bean-counters seem to be in control trying to squeeze out more profits from less-attractive, low-volume 'Pro' products at the expense of users who rely on them. I spent a couple of hours in a relatively new Apple Store in Nanuet, NY yesterday getting an iPhone replaced. The tables are bare with little phones, iPads and watches on them. Nothing really revolutionary showing in terms of laptops and desktops. Lots of phones and ipads and third party speakers. Only one new Space Grey 13 inch basic new MacBook Pro model on hand. The Greeter wasn't even sure if they had any on the floor at all. Once people stop streaming into these Palaces of Mediocrity Apple will be left with some very expensive, empty retail spaces and a very expensive spaceship that doesn't even fly. I sat across from a 70+ year old woman who brought in her under 3 year old MacBook Air because it was running slow. Genius did a great job helping her for over an hour. She had AppleCare on it. This is Apple's advantage. Products and support and retail spaces someone like her can bring her laptop to and get help. Try that with a Lenovo, HP or Dell. You can't. Why has Apple abandoned this product support benefit as a selling point for its computer line? Google is coming on strong and has a huge lead in services that work better than Siri. Microsoft, too. Not sure Microsoft will succeed in the hardware space, but at least they are innovating. Apple copied Surface with iPad keyboard. Really? Blackberry was once the leader and is now dead. If Apple's iPhone suffers a blow similar to the exploding Galaxy Notes, then the important iPhone business is at great risk. Or if Google's Pixel takes off as I believe it will. This is the first time in a long time that I am truly worried about Apple's future. I read a long time ago in a business book or journal that once a business starts building monuments to itself in the form of fancy headquarters and buildings that is the start of the business's eventual decline. Cue: spaceship drone flyover video...
 
This "leak" is a thank you to all the people on MacRuomrs and similar forums who have been highlighting the shortcomings of last week's announcements.

Visited two Apple stores yesterday. Both had the new 13" MBP without the Touch Bar in stock, and neither of them had had a collection or a sale. Also visited a department store where they had run out of the old 15" MPB, selling all their stock in the two days after the keynote.

Am told that post-keynote orders are running at under a fifth of projections; described as an "self-inflicted disaster".

It doesn't really surprise me. These new computers are priced much higher than any of us were expecting. I was honestly expecting a new touch bar 13" Pro at $1299 and the 15" to start at $1999. I ended up buying a 13" Pro non touch and I love it but I would have preferred to pay less money to get it.
 
That was quick, at least they should give the body cooling down a bit before… as always, they mess around with the first generation…

Next year is the year apple is going to make all your wildest dreams come true

13" MBP with 4core i7, 2TB SSD, 64GB RAM, 2 TB3 + 3 USB3 + SD card reader + I\O headphone jack + Magsafe 2 and 12h battery life for €2000 ?? :)
 
The 2011 books are almost as fast as the latest models, all you have to do is put in an SSD and enough RAM. We kept purchasing the 2011 and 2012 models over and over again for the company, because it doesn't make sense to spend 2-3x the money for literally equally fast, non-upgradeable new macbooks. ...


True that- I have a early 2011 MCBKpro SSD with 8rambos! its a bit heavy, but has all the ports and fully functional and after 427 cycle counts on the battery, still work as brand new. Forget this new touch bar crap that we are hardly going to use at work since we are always connected to an external display and a full size regular keyboard.
 
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I sat across from a 70+ year old woman who brought in her under 3 year old MacBook Air because it was running slow. Genius did a great job helping her for over an hour. She had AppleCare on it. This is Apple's advantage. Products and support and retail spaces someone like her can bring her laptop to and get help. Try that with a Lenovo, HP or Dell. You can't....

For completeness, I also have to leave some positive feedback for DELL here: my bro's laptops mainboard has been replaced like 3-4 times (no kidding!) by DELL, on-site! (reason: e.g. i haven't seen any company with better service yet. Apple's service is very good, too, of course.
 
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Having 4 USB3-C ports is a tactical error that will cost sales. If the 2 additional ports were instead UBS-3 or USB-3 and a SDcard or micro SDcard the sales would be higher. Not only is the price higher but they get to soak you for $100+ for additional dongles. Making the price increase (and profits) even more.

The closest parallel is the original crt iMac that dropped the floppy and parallel and serial ports for only cdrom (read only) and usb(1). They sold a lot of usb floppy drives. )

Apple isn't quite as much as an innovator as they portray. They assemble a bunch of off mostly off the shelf items in a unique configuration. Very few chip in their laptops aren't from a catalog. They also largely only build the mid-high end of the market. There are others who build to higher (ex. alienware) and lower specs down to $300. You don't see apple building systems with pentium, celeron, atom or other budget chips only with the flagship lines.

The real thing that differentiates the macs is the software. If they were trying to sell in the windows world they would not be that successful. Also if they licensed so that others could build hardware their hardware laptop business would be much much smaller.

Apple is kind of the BMW of computers. Build something that performs well enough for real enthusiasts (small numbers) to like/want that creates the image that then attracts the masses that will never use the product to it's fullest.

Longtime game with apple is with each release to see how expensive you can spec something out. Back in the early days of the web, machines like the IIx could be spec'd out over $18k. IIRC my record at one release was ~$24k.
 
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Apple definitely has become out of touch with people who have been loyal users and followers for decades. Granted, I have a 1985 Mac Plus that was my first computer in my office now that runs fine as well as owned just about every Apple product professionally and personally since then. Latest being iPhone 7's and 7 Plusses and MacBook Retina 12. This period reminds me of the Performa days. Jonny Ive needs to go. Nothing revolutionary coming out of him for years. Just a lot of blah, blah, blah and alumin-eeeium. Thin at the expense of performance, usability and guts is not design. If design trumps engineering for design-sake, then Apple is done. Do you see any new designs lately? These new MacBook Pros look just like my late 2013 MB Pro Retina 13 inch. The touchbar is not compelling enough to get me to replace it. Nor is smaller and thinner. Nor is much more expensive. The bean-counters seem to be in control trying to squeeze out more profits from less-attractive, low-volume 'Pro' products at the expense of users who rely on them. I spent a couple of hours in a relatively new Apple Store in Nanuet, NY yesterday getting an iPhone replaced. The tables are bare with little phones, iPads and watches on them. Nothing really revolutionary showing in terms of laptops and desktops. Lots of phones and ipads and third party speakers. Only one new Space Grey 13 inch basic new MacBook Pro model on hand. The Greeter wasn't even sure if they had any on the floor at all. Once people stop streaming into these Palaces of Mediocrity Apple will be left with some very expensive, empty retail spaces and a very expensive spaceship that doesn't even fly. I sat across from a 70+ year old woman who brought in her under 3 year old MacBook Air because it was running slow. Genius did a great job helping her for over an hour. She had AppleCare on it. This is Apple's advantage. Products and support and retail spaces someone like her can bring her laptop to and get help. Try that with a Lenovo, HP or Dell. You can't. Why has Apple abandoned this product support benefit as a selling point for its computer line? Google is coming on strong and has a huge lead in services that work better than Siri. Microsoft, too. Not sure Microsoft will succeed in the hardware space, but at least they are innovating. Apple copied Surface with iPad keyboard. Really? Blackberry was once the leader and is now dead. If Apple's iPhone suffers a blow similar to the exploding Galaxy Notes, then the important iPhone business is at great risk. Or if Google's Pixel takes off as I believe it will. This is the first time in a long time that I am truly worried about Apple's future. I read a long time ago in a business book or journal that once a business starts building monuments to itself in the form of fancy headquarters and buildings that is the start of the business's eventual decline. Cue: spaceship drone flyover video...
Kudos to you for saying exactly what I have in mind!
 
Based on Intel's own road map I can already tell that Cannonlake will not be coming to the MBP in 2017. Since Apple uses 15/28w GT3e and 45w chips in the MBP it will likely be updated with Kaby Lake in 2017 and Coffee Lake in 2018.
 

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Horsefeathers. Most printers and scanners are not wireless.
I am using an HP printer it's wireless and I bought it 2012 on April ! That was more than 4 years ago so I guess a lot of cheap wireless printers are more mainstream !
Just saying .
 
I'm not going to upgrade for at least an year and a price cut would be more than welcome.
 
Apple isn't quite as much as an innovator as they portray. They assemble a bunch of off mostly off the shelf items in a unique configuration.
That's precisely what I pay Apple to do - put those parts together in a manner which affords me a great user experience.
 
I was really tempted to buy a 15" MacBook Pro this year, but now knowing the possible spec bump for next year, plus the possibility of an OLED screen, I'm definitely waiting .
 
True that- I have a early 2011 MCBKpro SSD with 8rambos! its a bit heavy, but has all the ports and fully functional and after 427 cycle counts on the battery, still work as brand new. Forget this new touch bar crap that we are hardly going to use at work since we are always connected to an external display and a full size regular keyboard.

So why do you even have a laptop?
 
They have until their spring announcement to maintain my brand loyalty.

Just offer a product -- whether a Macbook Air (not likely) or Macbook -- with a good mix of ports/specs/price, and you got me, Apple. But if you unveil one-port nonsense with a $300 touchbar tax, I'm going elsewhere for the first time since 1996.
 
Cool....

Great timing to do this next year after all of your customers left and bought other laptops

Apple is being really stupid this year

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I just passed on buying my son a new MacBook Pro I've been holding off for. I'm picking up a new laptop with more speed, more ram, more dedicated GPU power and less expensive laptop. Yes it's running windows but not only does he get something great for school, he can also use it for his videos and also for playing all the new games that MACs just are not capable of.
Can't believe I have actually purchased something other than a mac but I just feel the new mac is overpriced and under powered for the price.
 
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Apple == Westeros. Innovation, just like winter, is always coming and never seems to arrive.
 
You know, if Apple had the courage to remove the headphone jack from the Macbook Pro then maybe they could fit enough battery into the machine to support 32GB of RAM.

/s
 
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Looking at your avatar reference... looks like 2016 WILL be like "1984"

2016 is already like 2015 processor-wise. The price cuts just make sense. Apple will logically cut prices if they really want to have higher widespread USB-C adoption and touchbar users. Without a wider adoption for consumers... the world will probably not move forward. It's what made Samsung so successful in the first place, access to multiple consumers at a wide range of price points.

This is a great reason to wait! :D
Not desperate enough to be an early adopter knowing prices will go down.
 
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They have until their spring announcement to maintain my brand loyalty.

Just offer a product -- whether a Macbook Air (not likely) or Macbook -- with a good mix of ports/specs/price, and you got me, Apple. But if you unveil one-port nonsense with a $300 touchbar tax, I'm going elsewhere for the first time since 1996.
A spring announcement next year will likely be about refreshed Macs and new iPads. I don't expect any new laptops. What you see now (MacBook, normal 13" MBP, 13" and 15" MBP with touchbar) is what you will get.

MacBook might get updated with the touchbar as well (not sure if there is room for this), but don't expect more than one port.

You know, if Apple had the courage to remove the headphone jack from the Macbook Pro then maybe they could fit enough battery into the machine to support 32GB of RAM.

Unlikely. It's not so much about space, but that there is a limit to how big a battery can be and still be allowed on board a plane. Even if Apple went to the theoretical maximum battery capacity allowed by law, it probably still wouldn't be enough to offset the immense battery drain brought about by 32gb of DDR4 ram.

Apple is waiting for Kaby Lake to make the use of LPDDR4 ram possible, but that can't happen if Intel refuses to ship. Just one more reason for Apple to (eventually) switch to their own processors if Intel continues to miss the boat.
 
More does not always equal better, especially with RAM. There's a point of diminishing returns, and 16GB is pretty much that point. In most cases, architectural changes to the CPU, newer GPU, etc will offer much better performance gains than simply piling on more RAM.
Sure, try to convince yourself that those underspecced gap-filling MBP's with the Silly Strip as the only real innovation are the latest and no one would need anything else.
 
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