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New MacBook Pros Said to Launch in 2017 With Price Cuts and Up to 32GB of RAM

When almost 90% on this forum are cribbing about this new release , apple needs to step up their game. This release is much like the political atmosphere in the country, deplorable and nasty. Can we have a third party look at the MacBook Pro division and have Ive and the cronies focus on the mobile stuff and leave the McbookPros alone
 
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franky303 said:
For completeness, I also have to leave some positive feedback for DELL here: my bro's laptops mainboard has been replaced like 3-4 times (no kidding!) by DELL, on-site! (reason: e.g. i haven't seen any company with better service yet. Apple's service is very good, too, of course.
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Absolutely. In my professional life, I sell many Dell systems and servers and they do a great job with service. Though their sales and resale channels are a mess since they went private.
 
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dmylrea said:
I'm confused...he says:

"The true reason behind the lack of 32 GB or DDR4 is Intel. Skylake does not support LPDDR4 (LP for low power) RAM."

Yet the Dell XPS 15 (which uses a powerful SKYLAKE i7-6700HQ Quad Core mobile CPU) does support 32GB of LPDDR4!

Apple can't use a POWERFUL QUAD CORE SKYLAKE CPU that supports 32GB DDR4 memory?
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Is this true?
 
I advised my friend back in early 2015 who was in the market for a MBP 13" to skip the upcoming broadwell update as there would be a big overhaul due that winter. He went ahead and bought it and 18 months later there is finally a new machine. How wrong was I? My point is that I now am in need of a new MBP and this news today hasn't a hope of getting me to change my mind. My MBP 13" with Touch Bar preorder is safe. The best time to order is right after a product is launched and don't wait for anyone. Yeah there might be price cut but I'll have had 6 months under my belt with my new purchase and time is money people.
 
Ming-Chi Kho is wrong here. Cannonlake for the Pros is not scheduled to be released until the 2nd quarter of 2018 per Intel release schedule.
 
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dmylrea said:
Actually, it supports DDR4, not LPDDR4. My mistake. But such a machines priority is performance, not battery life.
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This is from an Apple Insider article:
"macOS isn't the limiting factor, and hasn't been for some time. While Apple chose to not implement other technologies to boost the RAM capabilities of the MacBook Pro, it chose to not do so, in the interest of a thinner machine than previous generations, and longer battery life than it would have had had it implemented non-LP RAM workarounds."
 
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I'm not getting this macbook pro because it costs too much an isn't powerful enough but next years models are going to have ****** battery life. It's like Mac is taking shots at their own computers.
 
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Guys, hold out for one more year. One more year. One more year.

...and then find out there is no price drop and that 32GB of ram is only available on the highest end 15" MacBook Pro for $249 extra.

I'm tired of waiting one more year only to be disappointed and find out it's even worse. Apple rarely reduce prices and we all know that. Their discounts are almost non-existent and rare (with the exception of Student promotions, Refurbished lines and last year's models). The same goes with the iPhone range as well.
 
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Mr. Dee said:
I wonder how those purchasers who just parted with $4,100 feel about this. LOL, the best way to game Apple is to always wait. Like I said, I am not looking at another MBP until Intel Icelake or Tigerlake.
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Maybe by SnowfLAKE they will have it right.

Otherwise, yes the best way to buy Apple is to outwait them, until they have what works for you.

On the positive side the MBPs are well built and seem to last forever.

I am in the process of retiring my 2008! 17"MBP (sniff) as it only recognizes 6GB and lately quits when I ask it to do too much at the same time.

I have a 2014 MBP 16GB which does everything, but I like to not even carry that from work to home.
(Lazy, but I try not having to remember anything to take or carry)
I can work on whatever I have to work on via dropbox and if I forgot stuff on the work MBP, I'll look it up via Teamviewer.

Both MBPs are hooked up to monitors, external keyboards and external trackpads. No desktop needed.

Like others I do not need a new MBP, but I wanted one to get into 2016/17.

But, now I'll buy a used 2014 maxed out and wait until 2018. Didn't think the 2015s were much better than 2014 and don't need force touch.

I do agree that most prosumer users will not need 32GB or higher, but as PRO models that option just has to be there for those who need it.
Plus, when I buy an MBP I like to future proof it with everything maxed out, being on a 4 -8 year cycle.
 
Apple appears to have lost its rudder with respect to common sense.

1) Release new "Pro" model that is slimmer (like who cares?) with no legacy ports and jack the price up by hundreds of dollars
2) Release is panned by "Pro" community for putting looks over functionality, compatibility, and upgradeability
3) Apple promises price cuts and maybe more next year?
4) Sales tank this year for "Pro" models because Apple designed away everything that makes a "Pro" model functional and desireable.

Sad day when leaving in the headphone jack is the THE ONLY THING APPLE DID RIGHT n a pro laptop release.

Are they trying to torpedo non-iDevices on purpose?

I never thought I'd ever live to see such a great company lose its way.....
 
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iReality85 said:
People are making such a huge issue out of the 32GB RAM. Why do you need more than 16GB? There are very few processes out there that require more than 16GB. And if something requires it, you're probably not using something like a laptop to do it.

More does not always equal better, especially with RAM. There's a point of diminishing returns, and 16GB is pretty much that point. In most cases, architectural changes to the CPU, newer GPU, etc will offer much better performance gains than simply piling on more RAM.
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Lol what a silly post. Not because you don't use more than 16gb means others don't.
 
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ABCDEF-Hex said:
This is from an Apple Insider article:
"macOS isn't the limiting factor, and hasn't been for some time. While Apple chose to not implement other technologies to boost the RAM capabilities of the MacBook Pro, it chose to not do so, in the interest of a thinner machine than previous generations, and longer battery life than it would have had had it implemented non-LP RAM workarounds."
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My point exactly. Many "Pros" would prioritize more performance and features over a few percent more battery life.

According to the Dell specs for the XPS 15 that uses DDR4 with Skylake:

"Stay powered longer: The battery lasts up to 17 hours with FHD, 84WHr battery and SSD."

Even scaling that back to more realistic numbers, I'd expect 10 hours. That not long enough? Tell my why Apple needs to use LPDDR4 to gain battery time?
 
This story seems designed to do nothing but hurt Apple's sales, someone is obviously upset about the one that's just been announced and is trying to damage sales - I don't believe one word of it.
 
dmylrea said:
Actually, it supports DDR4, not LPDDR4. My mistake. But such a machines priority is performance, not battery life.
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LPDDR4 is the way to go, Apple just has to include it in a future update. It would be sad if they skipped over Kaby Lake for Cannondale... a whole generation of intel processors skipped by one of the most major manufacturers. Intel would probably not be so happy. Maybe one day they will choose to update processors every other year due to little adoption every other year.
 
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3) Apple promises price cuts and maybe more next year?
4) Sales tank this year for "Pro" models because Apple designed away everything that makes a "Pro" model functional and desireable.
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Apple didn't promise anything next year. This is Kuo.

I don't know if the sales will tank. Yea they might lose "pro" users but those haven't been a large chunk of Apple sales in forever. The thing is I think what made Apple laptops good for everyone was how good they are for pros. Something Apple seems to have lost sight of...

Anyone who says that 16GB is enough evidently has missed out on the last 30+ years of computing. It may be enough now, but a few years ago 16GB was considered excessive. Does anyone honestly think that 16GB will be the plateau?

Considering the fact that people like to keep their MBPs for a long time, it's not at all unreasonable to want to future proof it a little with more RAM. That's what I did when I bought my MBP a couple years ago - 8GB was standard but I got it with 16.

But you can't do that here, and you can never upgrade because it's soldered on. Does Apple want us buying a new MPB every 2-3 years now?
 
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megalaser said:
This story seems designed to do nothing but hurt Apple's sales, someone is obviously upset about the one that's just been announced and is trying to damage sales - I don't believe one word of it.
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When you come up with a "new thing" thats so radical that you want everyone else to adopt, you have to price it effectively so that other consumers will buy into it. The way it's priced now, its even higher than the average "higher spending" consumer.

Price and value, given the state of things, it seems like a no-brainer that Apple will have to knock off prices next year.
 
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It'll be too late by then. Really, at this point, there's little reason to bother with MacBook (Pro) computers anymore.
 
SeattleMoose said:
Sad day when leaving in the headphone jack is the THE ONLY THING APPLE DID RIGHT n a pro laptop release.
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Headphone jack likely gets replaced with Lightning when they bump up to Kabylake. Apple knew the latest update wouldn't be enough to smooth the transition.

The new MacBook will be the first to get and benefit from it during its annual refresh in 2nd quarter.
 
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