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New MacBook Pros Said to Launch in 2017 With Price Cuts and Up to 32GB of RAM

The new machines are way overpriced.

I paid 2500 Australian for my 13" retina with 2.9 Ghz CPU and 512 GB SSD in 2015.
To get a machine with the same specs or better today (same ram, virtually same cpu speed, 4x TB3, but no card reader), i need to pay $2999.

I'm sorry, but i'm not paying $499 for a touchID bar i don't want.

So, go try spec up a non-touchID model... comes out about the same price when you upgrade it.

Sorry Apple, but... for $2999 i want 16 GB of RAM at least. 8 GB, 512 GB SSD on a $2999 13" in 2016 machine is a joke. A more attractive price would be 512 GB SSD, 16 GB RAM for 2500 aussie. I.e., an upgrade from what i bought 18 months ago at the same price.

Sure, i'll probably buy another Macbook in 2017-2019 to replace my 2015. So these models do not affect me. But seriously... the pricing is just way off.
 
anson42 said:
Does it matter? The point being made was that a 32GB option with the existing Skylake architecture will reduce battery life. It is clear from Schiller's email that Apple decided not to offer the 32GB option for that reason.
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Perhaps (this might be a bit revolutionary) Apple could make the ram user serviceable so that the user could make that decision for themselves. It is a pro device after all.
 
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theluggage said:
Yeah - connectivity on the entry MBP is poor. On the touch bar models, having 4xTB3 is going to be great down the line when USB-C kicks off, but 2xTB3 + nowt else is not enough when you're likely to "waste" one of your super-high-bandwidth ports for charging or USB-2-speed stuff. Of course, neither offers the real deal which would be 2xTB3 plus the legacy stuff...
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What do you plan to do when one of your devices burns out a port? When it was just USB it was no big deal, just use another port. But if you burn out one of your two ports on the 13 inch you're up a creek unless you replace the logic board.
 
Investor27 said:
Ming-Chi Kho is wrong here. Cannonlake for the Pros is not scheduled to be released until the 2nd quarter of 2018 per Intel release schedule.
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The only question is whether AMD can offer a Vega-based APU which matches or improves on the performance of Intel's Skylake while also offering the same or better graphics capabilities as Intel's Kaby Lake.

The biggest problem with this release, especially for the non-TouchID 13" MBP, is the significant improvement in battery life and performance derived from the 15W Kaby Lake CPUs which are currently available. I guess Apple did not want the base 13" MBP to put their more sophisticated and much more expensive TouchID MBPs to shame.

As a consumer, I wouldn't touch anything that didn't include Kaby Lake unless I had to have a computer right now for work.
 
Waiting for the mythical "perfect MacBook pro" is stupid.

Face it, folks, Apple is not going to build it.

I said it before, and I'll say it again: Apple is working towards convergence.

The iPad is what they see as the future of the computer.

The Retina MacBook is what ALL Apple laptops will turn into.

The transition has already begun. This new MBP is more than clear evidence.

Steve foretold this way back, when he brought up (quite accurately) two concepts for the future of the PC (from Apple's perspective):

1. The Post-PC era (iPhone, iPad)

2. PC analogy of "cars and trucks"

Apple clearly is betting on the Post-PC era, and clearly feels that most people will not need "trucks" anymore.

Everything they've done since then is speed up that process:

-XServe gets killed
-Mac Pro gets killed (the Tube is not a replacement for it)
-Both desktop and laptop machines become more and more un-upgradeable
-The iPhone/iOS becomes the center of their universe
-The iPad is positioned as a "laptop replacement" by the CEO
-The RMB becomes a neutered MBA (thinner and less useful)
-Update of all (real) computer hardware (save the iMac) comes to a dead stop
-(Unnecessarily) thinner MBP is released with a single port type

Prediction.... Between 1-4 years Apple will:

- Eliminate the Mac Mini
- Eliminate the Mac Pro
- Make next full revision of the MacBook pro have the RMB form-factor (almost there already)
- All Apple hardware is moved to ARM
- Make the iMac the "i(OS) Mac" (Think Surface Studio with iOS only)
- Exit the Pro market completely and focus on consumer/fashion products
 
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RobertCliftonRobinson said:
If it is true that 32gb is not available from Apple due to battery concerns, why is the memory soldered into the board, rather than removable and upgradeable?

A consumer can decide for themselves if they want to trade increased memory for shorter battery time.

The truth is, Apple doesnt want buyers to upgrade memory because they will keep their macbooks longer and not purchase a new one.

I cannot buy a laptop with only 16gb, so they have lost a sale to me, even though I would have purchased now if the new Macbooks memory could be upgraded, aftermarket.
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Hi, totally agreed with you. Apple's outcome looks like pretty clear: have you seen that hardware and software new releases happen quicker than in the past? Every year we have a new iPhone, a new iPad, a new MacOS, a new MacBook... ok, this new MacBook Pro model has been waiting for some years, but if you look at the update track history, you can see about 1 new model (as a refresh or a totally new model) per year.
 
Is no one else dubious about this rumor? Why would Apple include 32GB of RAM in a MacBook after saying they couldn't include 32GB of RAM in the MacBook Pros due to battery life concerns? Why would Apple reduce costs on the MacBook after raising prices on the MacBook Pros? I don't buy it.
 
BreadofWonder said:
Sure you have. That's why you're hanging around on Mac rumors, right?
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Hanging around on MacRumors just means you're interested in Mac rumors. It doesn't require investment in Apple products. I'm here because of the fans. Nobody has fans like Apple has fans - not even sports teams. You guys are awesome whether you're lauding or disparaging your favorite brand.
 
n2arkitektur said:
Is no one else dubious about this rumor? Why would Apple include 32GB of RAM in a MacBook after saying they couldn't include 32GB of RAM in the MacBook Pros due to battery life concerns? Why would Apple reduce costs on the MacBook after raising prices on the MacBook Pros? I don't buy it.
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When the processor comes out that actually supports LDddr3/4....what do you expect? Of course they are going to support it.
 
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protoxx said:
Comparison Desktop+Laptop vs maxed Laptop

Refurb 27" Imac 3.5 i7, 512gb flash, 16gb memory $2189
Refurb 13" Macbook Pro 2.5 i5, 512gb flash, 8gb memory $1189
or
Refurb 11" Macbook Air 2.2 i7, 512gb flash, 8gb memory $1319
vs
New Macbook pro 2.9, 460 512 tb 16 gb memory $3099
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Point taken, but I can't take an iMac, stuff it into my knapsack and ride from my home studio to a mix theatre, boot from it and continue working. I'll pay extra for that (admitting that that extra price was a little steep this time around).
 
For all those people now deciding to wait until 2nd half of 2017 because of this rumor... I understand your reasons entirely, but just realize that this isn't going to happen next year and you'll be waiting until 2018 at the earliest for any of the things in this report. That's also assuming Intel doesn't have any setbacks in manufacturing 10nm chips (a big assumption given the recent track record).
 
Hello, I don't believe in a different price policy for the following year or in a hardware refresh at a lower price tag. Maybe the starting hardware will be reviewed, but not the starting price.
Before the 'Hello again' event I had been more than sure to shut-off my 6yr old HP notebook and moving to Mac platform, that would have been my first MacBook, really wanted being a photographer; now I am pretty sure for the opposite.
This new MacBook Pro 15" here in Italy starts at an insane price: 2,799 euro. Let's talk about a more than 20% increase over the previous model. i had expected a price increase over the previous model price, but not in these terms and, moreover, I had expected a decrease of the previous MBP 15.
Now, I have two options: the first, use my desktop pc previously bought for gaming (i7-2700k @ 4,5ghz, Asus GTX680, 8GB RAM, two Samsung PRO SSDs) also for photography; the second, go for the previous model. At the moment, first solution will have my focus because I don't want to pay so much money for a MBP model out there since more than a year and already overtaken by a new model. I could assess this action only in case of significant price drop.
I am sure APPLE will extend its customer numbers, but in those I will not be: -1. Maybe next year...
 
Update: As pointed out by Ars Technica's Andrew Cunningham and others, Kuo's outline of chip possibilities does not match up with what is known from leaked Intel roadmaps. Intel is not planning MacBook Pro-class chips in the Cannonlake family at all, and Coffee Lake chips aren't arriving until 2018.
bigandtasty said:
Actually contemplating the same thing. Need to think on it a bit more, but right now I see myself cancelling by days end.
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Indeed. Cancel, not Escape ;-)
 
To me it appears the new "Pro" models are geared towards the professional user. Many of them are claiming more ram is needed in programs like FCP for example. Apple claims more ram would use more power.

Funny thing is the pro crowd could have had most of their desires fulfilled if Apple would have just released an updated desktop with more upgrade options to go with the laptops. Powerful portable computers for working on the road, and upgradeable powerful desktops for the professional user at home or the office.
 
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Thunderstrike76 said:
I can not stand all the bitching I've been hearing from all you guys since the new macs were announced. Do you guys not remember the price hikes of the rMBP vs the non-rMBP. It took about a year and a half for apple to bring the prices down to where they are today. In terms of why apple isn't shipping macs with 32gb of ram read grubbers explanation. He's right...http://daringfireball.net/linked/2016/10/31/intel-mbp-ram
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There were enough reasons for the price hike when rMBP was first announced. For this time, there is obviously not.
 
bopajuice said:
To me it appears the new "Pro" models are geared towards the professional user. Many of them are claiming more ram is needed in programs like FCP for example. Apple claims more ram would use more power.

Funny thing is the pro crowd could have had most of their desires fulfilled if Apple would have just released an updated desktop with more upgrade options to go with the laptops. Powerful portable computers for working on the road, and upgradeable powerful desktops for the professional user at home or the office.
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With an invite as hopeful like ‘Hello again’ the iMac (announcement) ought to have been there, I agree.
 
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To me it appears the new "Pro" models are geared towards the professional user. Many of them are claiming more ram is needed in programs like FCP for example. Apple claims more ram would use more power.

Funny thing is the pro crowd could have had most of their desires fulfilled if Apple would have just released an updated desktop with more upgrade options to go with the laptops. Powerful portable computers for working on the road, and upgradeable powerful desktops for the professional user at home or the office.
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That's what January's event will be.
 
Can anyone name another notebook that:

* Similar or better formfactor as the new Macbook Pro 15"
* Same or better battery life (10 hrs)
* same or better overall performance
* That can be upgraded to 32GB RAM?

Also wondering if the engineers at Intel (or via suggestion from Apple) applied this to their memory controller: https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjag6LNlIjQAhUqj1QKHervDXMQFggcMAA&url=https://users.ece.cmu.edu/~omutlu/pub/raidr-dram-refresh_isca12.pdf&usg=AFQjCNFHZLef0VOV5u3N4zy_UeMnMCTnIA&bvm=bv.137132246,d.cGc

Maybe doing that would have been the trick.
 
Update: As pointed out by Ars Technica's Andrew Cunningham and others, Kuo's outline of chip possibilities does not match up with what is known from leaked Intel roadmaps. Intel is not planning MacBook Pro-class chips in the Cannonlake family at all, and Coffee Lake chips aren't arriving until 2018.

As I thought, KGI has it completely wrong or they are attempting to spin the bad news by lying for their clients stocks.
 
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