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New MacBook Pros Said to Launch in 2017 With Price Cuts and Up to 32GB of RAM
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That Lenovo uses a 4K screen. 4K is well known for using far more battery than 1080p. Not to mention the Xeon processor.
Dell XPS 15, which is IMO the laptop closest to the MBP, has a 32GB option right now. And I imagine Lenovo is going to bump up the RAM for the X1 Carbon soon enough too.
I work for EDU and I can tell you first hand Apple has completely cut themselves out of the EDU market with this portable computer line up. EDU still needs ports and disk drives. We used to be able to purchase MB Pro 2012s, but Apple Silently removed them the same day they released these over priced and underpowered Macs. EDU is not going to buy portless computers and then buy dongles and external drives. It is freaking ridiculous. Apple needs to bring back the white MB line so EDU has something to buy.
I have to say.... I have owned the Dell XPS 15 for some time now and I am not impressed with USB-C. The products surrounding this port never really seem to pan out. Look at the reviews of what is out there, especially when it comes to docking stations. I have very little confidence in many of the USB-C solutions out there.
Absolutely, Tim Cook is more than a disappointment, he is a joke and should be gone. After the recent IBM IT article regarding Mac's in business being 3 times cheaper to run than a PC, it's time to make Mac's great and offer a decent line up of of Mac's that are affordable and offer lots of options, not these excuses for a professional Mac laptop. If your a Pro do you really care how thin it is? FFS I care when my Macbook Pro drops off the side of the stage onto a concert floor, like it did this year & it works fine! Macbook Pro's are for creators, visionaries, painters, music makers, not just the posers complaining how heavy their shiny silver Mac is..
Basically, Apple needed to release something as all the competitors were scoring points over them. Microsoft's last event was the final straw, practically old Apple at their best. The MacBook Pro isn't ready, there are issues with RAM and it's not in a position to manufacture in significant volumes. Unfortunately it is all Apple have, especially after the EarPods farce. Solution, release it with basic options at vastly inflated price, to satisfy those with a desperate need, while keeping immediate volumes down. Then to stop others switching brand, release some rumours about a much better version in the pipeline.
Can't blame Apple for trolling their user base when a big portion of it will buy anything they put out.
DDR4 chips are coming out soon.
Also, with AMD usually you don't need a server CPU for ECC.
x86 - introduced in 1978. We complain when Apple is perceived as not "innovating" and yet, also complain when Apple doesn't build in backward comparability. Do we want to move forward into the future or just take baby steps and whine when they don't blow our minds. Apple had nothing to lose when it rewrote how a mobile phone should be created and the world changed and followed. Just think what they could do if they could rewrite how a laptop/desktop should be built.
Ok, let's just compare the specs with my personal mid-2012 15" nrMBP, which was the last of the "classic" Unibody MBPs:
https://support.apple.com/kb/SP694?viewlocale=en_US&locale=en_US
This machine, although I love it dearly, and even though it has an SDHC card slot, a SuperDrive, an Ethernet port, a FireWire 800 port, a Thunderbolt 1 port, and two USB 3.0 ports, is absolutely no match for the 2016 MBP, especially in the I/O department! We won't even discuss the display differences, since I elected to get a non-retina version (although I did opt for the hi-density display).
My MBP has a total of 21 Gbps of raw I/O bandwidth on its dedicated Ethernet, FW, USB and TB 1 ports. And, other than the TB port (which pretty much ALWAYS gets turned into a monitor-out), those are DEDICATED ports. Don't need Terrestrial Ethernet, but DO need another Display Out? Too bad! Don't need FireWire, but DO need TWO Terrestrial Ethernet ports? Too bad!
But with the 2016 15" MBP, you have FOUR identical, multipurpose, USB-C/TB 3 Ports with a total of 80 Gbps of I/O Bandwidth, and which can be easily and fairly cheaply turned into WHATEVER you need WHENEVER you need...
Oh, and of course, my trusty old MBP doesn't know what a Touch Bar is...
And that HUGE freaking Trackpad: It's like having an iPad mini as a Trackpad! Actually, they've just about put a Magic Trackpad on the laptop itself... And that hardly even rated a mention during the presentation!
So, in three short years, Apple has actually made some DRASTIC UPGRADES to the MBP; but all anyone wants to do is WHINE.
Their current mobile CPUs are garbage and their desktop ones aren't any better. Everyone is waiting on their new Zen chip to finally come out, but it's looking like initially that's going to be desktop-only. I don't think there's much (or any) info on mobile Zen chips.
AMD is not in a good state right now. It's a shame Apple had to hitch their wagon to them instead of Nvidia.
Actually the low end mobile CPUs have quite decent graphics for the category, but they don't get much love from PC vendors.
Usually AMD laptop designs get crippled with single channel RAM and low cost components but they are not sold for much cheaper.
Yes, and if you had read some of my other posts in this thread, you would know that an XPS 15 with 32 GB of RAM sports a NON-impressive FIVE hours of battery life.
So maybe Herr Schiller WASN'T lying after all about battery life, right?
Just found this review by a "pro" user, since some people say to stop whining:
https://medium.com/@trentlapinski/w...ook-pro-and-touch-bar-a9a094af1e0b#.hz4hlkogg
FWIW, as an evolution Apple has moved away from user serviceable parts in general. In part perhaps to avoid problems when customers screw up upgrades in a highly complex machine, and perhaps in part to keep the hardware space efficient since replaceable chips lead to sockets and greater volume. Certainly you have every right to complain about this trend.
I'm not complaining at the moment because while I am a "pro" of the software development nature the minimally configurable new models have so far met my needs, and very likely most customers' needs. That said I probably would be complaining too if I found 16GB too limiting to work with, or any aspect of the hardware too limiting. And while I went into my 2008 and 2010 MBPs to swap out hard drives for SSDs and to increase memory from 4GB to 8GB to 16GB, I personally no longer have reason to. The recent hardware has been extremely reliable in mine and my company's experience which really limits the need to have any user serviceability, and they meet all our "pro's" needs out of the box.
As to why the SSDs in the 13" MBP are removable that may simply be a manufacturing convenience allowed by the design. I am happy about that small favor in case there are cheaper third party SSD upgrades in the near future.
We tried to add the latest system it kept crashing and it won't even let the new update install . I talked with someone in the Apple Store and he said they can buy it from me and with the students discounts u can save u will get a great deal on the new Mac !
You missed the part where I was saying that maybe it's not just the RAM causing the battery issues. In fact, that might actually be the smallest contributor considering the rest of the configuration.
Besides, if you need the RAM that badly I'm sure losing a bit of battery life isn't that big of a deal.
Interesting comment. I have an iPad Pro and it is simply fantastic for what it is - a truly portable device, but lacking the heavy hitting apps that exist in the "real" computer world of Windows / OSX / Linux. Still it's surprising what people can achieve on it. It's probably patents that stop the Surface Pro from being as good as it could be.
5 hours is pretty good. I think with my 17" MBP I would be lucky to get 3, but that is enough.