New MacBook Pros Said to Launch in 2017 With Price Cuts and Up to 32GB of RAM

[clangers23]

Yeah, LOOKS like a nice machine, huh?

But, perhaps you will notice the ONE spec that ISN'T listed:

BATTERY LIFE!!!

Not ONE word about it, other than to list the battery CAPACITY (which doesn't say much of anything about RUN-TIME)!!!

So, kiddies: What have we learned about reading product spec-sheets? That's right; if the spec isn't listed, THEY DON'T WANT YOU TO KNOW ABOUT IT...

http://shop.lenovo.com/us/en/laptops/thinkpad/p-series/p70/

Perhaps, that's because, with 64 GB of RAM installed, it will have the same TWO to THREE HOUR BATTERY LIFE that it's elder brother, the P50, had. Oh, and who's to know if they actually FIXED the clicky audio and blurry display, either:

https://forums.lenovo.com/t5/ThinkP...ng-the-4K-P50-with-great-sadness/td-p/2270456

BTW, for all the Haters whining about Apple not having a touchscreen display, careful readers will also note that the Lenovo P70 can EITHER have a 1920 X 1080 Touchscreen, OR a 4k NON-TOUCHSCREEN... (and nevermind a 5k at ALL).

Yeah, Apple's REALLY behind the times with the new MBP...

NOT!!!
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Yeah, that's why the ship time keeps slipping; because there are no pre-orders.

Idiot.

Actually as an owner of a Thinkpad P70, Xeon CPU, 64gb RAM, 2 x nvme pcie ssd, 4K display, Quadro M4000M the battery life is around 5 hours (I run lots of VM's). Big laptop, huge battery (96wh). It's great, really well built but big.

It's a genuine mobile workstation with the emphasis on workstation, blisteringly quick and upgradable.

 

[jwestveer]

KGI Securities analyst Ming-Chi Kuo has released a new research report outlining why he's upbeat about MacBook growth in 2017. Kuo expects price cuts for both new and existing MacBooks in 2017 coupled with a refresh that adds support for 32GB RAM and more, bolstering his belief in the MacBook line next year.

Kuo cites Apple's tendency to price "major-upgraded models," like the original MacBook Air and MacBook Pro, higher near the initial launch "before undergoing in price cuts in the following year" as precedent for price cuts in the second half of 2017. He also believes that the ecosystem for USB-C devices and software that takes advantage of the Touch Bar will become more mature, making it more enticing for users.

Finally, Kuo expects refreshed MacBooks Pros to be launched in the second half of 2017 with support for 32GB of RAM. However, Kuo says this is dependent on whether Intel launches Cannonlake processors on time.


Many customers have been upset that the new MacBooks, which run more energy efficient Skylake processors, continue to max out at 16GB of RAM and cost more than previous-generation models. For instance, the entry-level 13-inch MacBook Pro with a Touch Bar starts at $1,799, $500 more than previous-generation models.

Apple marketing chief Phil Schiller, in an email to MacRumors reader David, explained that for Apple to make a notebook with support for more than 16GB of RAM, it would have to use a memory system that consumes too much power. Regarding price, Schiller said in an interview that affordability is "absolutely something we care about" but that the company designs for experience rather than price.

While Kuo expects price cuts for new and existing MacBooks, like both the 12-inch MacBook and the new MacBook Pros, it's unclear whether he expects Apple to offer support for up to 32GB of RAM for the 12-inch MacBook in addition to the MacBook Pros.

Update: As pointed out by Ars Technica's Andrew Cunningham and others, Kuo's outline of chip possibilities does not match up with what is known from leaked Intel roadmaps. Intel is not planning MacBook Pro-class chips in the Cannonlake family at all, and Coffee Lake chips aren't arriving until 2018.

Article Link: New MacBooks Said to Launch in 2017 With Price Cuts and Up to 32GB of RAM

 

[cube]

Actually as an owner of a Thinkpad P70, Xeon CPU, 64gb RAM, 2 x nvme pcie ssd, 4K display, Quadro M4000M the battery life is around 5 hours (I run lots of VM's). Big laptop, huge battery (96wh). It's great, really well built but big.

It's a genuine mobile workstation with the emphasis on workstation, blisteringly quick and upgradable.

I guess with 4K, 17" instead of 15" might be worth it.

 

[jwestveer]

Perhaps they can substitute the "pro" from the current model, and replace it with "lite"

 

[clangers23]

I guess with 4K, 17" instead of 15" might be worth it.

It's a wonderful machine but I'm not sure it's comparable to a Macbook Pro unless you need the extra resources and don't mind lugging it around? I use it mainly as a desktop replacement.

The P50 (15.5") has a terrible 4k display it's much poorer than the one for the 17".

 

[Robstevo]

The Sad thing about apple and the direction they are heading with mac is, Part of the reason why sales where booming is because they made entry level macs (Macbook air and mac min), and the pro's where competitive in pricing (you still paid a premium but the premium was worth it due to build quality, features etc).

Now they have reversed this process and gone back to their old, failed methods. Have they not learned from their OWN history?

 

[cube]

It's a wonderful machine but I'm not sure it's comparable to a Macbook Pro unless you need the extra resources and don't mind lugging it around? I use it mainly as a desktop replacement.

The P50 (15.5") has a terrible 4k display it's much poorer than the one for the 17".

I did not know the P70 weighed 3.3kg . That's the limit I would accept, so it is a viable candidate.

But it costs 4K, a third more than the P50.

 

[inhalexhale1]

Remember guys, this isn't guaranteed...Ming said, "dependant" the cannonlakes comes out.

People should take this news lightly. Apple hardly reduce prices...unless it's one of those "clearance."

I believe they reworked pricing on the 5k iMac after it was released as standalone model. I expect them to do the same with the 4K iMac.

I could see a price drop in rev2 of this MBP.

 

[pat500000]

I believe they reworked pricing on the 5k iMac after it was released as standalone model. I expect them to do the same with the 4K iMac.

I could see a price drop in rev2 of this MBP.

We'll see about that. I hope Apple is getting wake up call.

 

[Digital Dude]

I hope they advance with the MacBook Pro because it will be easier to justify the money I just spent. Like most everyone else I was completely baffled by the 'touch bar'. Hopefully, it will prove more useful than it appears to be. I recently purchased an Apple Watch, and I was fearful that it wouldn't be all that beneficial. To my pleasant surprise, I was wrong, and I now rely on it throughout the day. I no longer have to fumble while driving to answer a call or just blow it off because it's too dangerous. When I'm out on the patio relaxing, I don't have to struggle to get to the phone that's 25-30 feet away. I have physical limitations, so it really has helped. Hopefully, the touch bar will offer some redeeming quality that makes a process, or several processes easier and more convenient. Can't think of any right now, but who knows.

 

[MacsRuleOthersDrool]

You missed the part where I was saying that maybe it's not just the RAM causing the battery issues. In fact, that might actually be the smallest contributor considering the rest of the configuration.

Besides, if you need the RAM that badly I'm sure losing a bit of battery life isn't that big of a deal.

Nearly HALF is a little bit more than "a bit", IMHO.

 

[tadanderson]

Nope... won't be waiting. A knee jerk reaction to the public's reaction to the toy they just released sounds like the Microsoft story. Apple seems to have lost touch with the real world just like Microsoft did a few years ago. I have beaten the living crap out of my 2012 MacBook Pro and I need more RAM now, not next X-mas. I will probably buy iPhones and iPads in the future, if they don't screw that up too.

 

[MacsRuleOthersDrool]

5 hours is pretty good. I think with my 17" MBP I would be lucky to get 3, but that is enough.

And if it's good enough for you, it is good enough for everybody, right?

And that's 5 hours of basically just sitting there. Do ANYTHING, and that 5 hours quickly becomes 2 or 3.
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Actually as an owner of a Thinkpad P70, Xeon CPU, 64gb RAM, 2 x nvme pcie ssd, 4K display, Quadro M4000M the battery life is around 5 hours (I run lots of VM's). Big laptop, huge battery (96wh). It's great, really well built but big.

It's a genuine mobile workstation with the emphasis on workstation, blisteringly quick and upgradable.

And if Apple would have released some neanderthal laptop like that, the interwebs would have pissed themselves laughing at it.

So, what is Apple to do?

 

[cube]

And if it's good enough for you, it is good enough for everybody, right?

And that's 5 hours of basically just sitting there. Do ANYTHING, and that 5 hours quickly becomes 2 or 3.

No, what I ask from Apple is to make the cMBP again.

As well as mobile workstations.

And if somebody could make mobile servers actually portable, that would be Apple.

The obsession with thinness is wasted where it is not needed the most.

 

[forbegos34]

Who's cancelling their pre order? lol

Ok, I have a MB Pro late 2015 model with 512GB, Discrete Radeon VC, 16GB RAM. I paid $2400 for it. Why in the world would I upgrade to the new MB Pro which will cost me around $2700 for similar characteristics? For the touch thingy? Really?

 

[xmonkey]

Ok, I have a MB Pro late 2015 model with 512GB, Discrete Radeon VC, 16GB RAM. I paid $2400 for it. Why in the world would I upgrade to the new MB Pro which will cost me around $2700 for similar characteristics? For the touch thingy? Really?

You absolutely shouldn't, and I don't think Apple expects you to or is even trying to convince you to. There are plenty of users running 4-5-6 year old laptops that need an update and for them this is a significant upgrade over their current machines.

Unless you've got money growing on trees, upgrading a MBP after 1 year is silly.

 

[cube]

Ok, I have a MB Pro late 2015 model with 512GB, Discrete Radeon VC, 16GB RAM. I paid $2400 for it. Why in the world would I upgrade to the new MB Pro which will cost me around $2700 for similar characteristics? For the touch thingy? Really?

The question is not why someone with a 2015 rMBP does not upgrade, but why someone with a 2011 cMBP does not downgrade.

 

[topmounter]

Because 32MB of RAM is going to make me forget all the years of neglect... right.

 

[forbegos34]

You absolutely shouldn't, and I don't think Apple expects you to or is even trying to convince you to. There are plenty of users running 4-5-6 year old laptops that need an update and for them this is a significant upgrade over their current machines.

Unless you've got money growing on trees, upgrading a MBP after 1 year is silly.

With those new prices, I guess the people running 4-5-6 year old laptops do have money growing on trees.
[doublepost=1478037625][/doublepost]My point was: why pay so much more for the essentially the same setup with a new shiny touch bar?

 

[2IS]

Ok, I have a MB Pro late 2015 model with 512GB, Discrete Radeon VC, 16GB RAM. I paid $2400 for it. Why in the world would I upgrade to the new MB Pro which will cost me around $2700 for similar characteristics? For the touch thingy? Really?

Who the fook is this guy?

 

[xmonkey]

With those new prices, I guess the people running 4-5-6 year old laptops do have money growing on trees.
[doublepost=1478037625][/doublepost]My point was: why pay so much more for the essentially the same setup with a new shiny touch bar?

Because it's not remotely the same setup if your current MBP is old? It's a huge improvement, especially if your MBP is pre-Retina.

I don't know why anyone with a 2015 would be looking to upgrade right now anyways. Enjoy your 2015, it will last you a long time.

 

[Abazigal]

Actually, it supports DDR4, not LPDDR4. My mistake. But such a machines priority is performance, not battery life.

Apple has always been about performance per watt, never pure performance in a vacuum. Don't expect this to change with Apple any time soon.

 

[Woochoo]

This article isn't fact or an Apple announcement, just someone speculating what might happen if Intel stops missing their CPU timetables next year.

Yet despite Intel missing the roadmaps, Apple was months late to the party when the CPUs required for their 13" and 15" were already released many time ago (February for the 13" and May for the 15"). Apple just released a dual core laptop with almost 1yo Skylake CPU, while in just 2-3 months the laptops to compete with it will have Kaby Lake.

I've been recently reading Microsoft was supposed to release the Surface Pro 5 this October but may do it early 2017 due to Kaby. Then I said: wait, what? Let's see what Surface Pro 4 has. It has Skylake processors inside, with similar performance than the new 13" MBP, and released more than 1 year ago. This makes one wonder what has Apple been doing all these months

 

[AppleScruff1]

I'm looking forward to when Apple just says "enough!" and switches to supercharged ARM chips for mainstream macs.

Then they can have the monopoly and have no need to innovate.

 

[MacsRuleOthersDrool]

Just found this review by a "pro" user, since some people say to stop whining:

https://medium.com/@trentlapinski/w...ook-pro-and-touch-bar-a9a094af1e0b#.hz4hlkogg

Not impressed with his "critique". At all.