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Yeah, if you wanna fry your motherboard, go ahead, run CS5 off a solid state drive.
Programs like that aren't meant to run on flash storage devices.
I'm running CS5 from an SSD and (240GB Sandforce). No problem. Just instant speed. Only thing I'm missing are the lovely bouncing icons when starting an app. And a health-check of my SSD shows that its neither burning nor showing any other side effect of being used as designed. And all that without TRIM. Guess Steve would call it 'magic'.

But if you're going to run CS5...you need the optical drive to install it and a traditional hard drive.
To install CS5, just go to Adobe.com and click download. And here is the big surprise: Apple just invented the App Store for Mac. Guess how much software will in future be distributed via optical disk?
 
I'm probably one of the few people in here that care very little about the internals and more about hardware. Give me liquid metal!
 
I'm running CS5 from an SSD and (240GB Sandforce). No problem. Just instant speed. Only thing I'm missing are the lovely bouncing icons when starting an app. And a health-check of my SSD shows that its neither burning nor showing any other side effect of being used as designed. And all that without TRIM. Guess Steve would call it 'magic'.


To install CS5, just go to Adobe.com and click download. And here is the big surprise: Apple just invented the App Store for Mac. Guess how much software will in future be distributed via optical disk?

I think the original poster needs to step away from the Cloning tool. Yikes! He seems to be grossly misinformed. :rolleyes:
 
Yeah, if you wanna fry your motherboard, go ahead, run CS5 off a solid state drive.
Programs like that aren't meant to run on flash storage devices.
A hybrid? Sure. It's an interesting concept, and it's gonna increase battery life, boot time and performance.
But if you're going to run CS5...you need the optical drive to install it and a traditional hard drive.
If they move to 100% SSD, then they will have made the MacBook "Pro" a toy like the Air.
Don't get me wrong-the Air is an awesome machine, but if you're a serious designer running serious design programs, solid state drives won't be the best thing for it. Then again, if you're not a serious designer, and you've got money to throw away...which you will when you replace the hard drive in a few months or a year or so when the silicon crack...by all means, get it.
Of course, if Apple has decided to implement SSD, they will have realized they need to ramp up their cooling system...and maybe it is possible, but as far as I know, they're not reporting rumors of a better cooling system.

If they can solve the heat problem and make it run as quickly and as powerfully as current machines...fine. It'll make a more durable product and I'm all for it. But from everything I know, it would be a mistake for Apple to do that.

what on EARTH are you talking about? :confused:

i'm running a 256GB SSD in my current MBP - i run CS5 and xcode all day long. its leaps and bounds faster than platters, and i've not had a single issue with heat and battery life or any of the other garbage you're spewing.
 
This kind of makes me hope TRIM support is coming in 10.6.7, or if that (ever) becomes something to make people upgrade to Lion. I've got to wonder if the timing of 10.6.7 and the new MBP models are meant to coincide.

Don't forget that the MBA drives do GC instead of TRIM and it is conceivable that any MBP SSD blade could do the same.
 
I'm running CS5 from an SSD and (240GB Sandforce). No problem. Just instant speed. Only thing I'm missing are the lovely bouncing icons when starting an app. And a health-check of my SSD shows that its neither burning nor showing any other side effect of being used as designed. And all that without TRIM. Guess Steve would call it 'magic'.


To install CS5, just go to Adobe.com and click download. And here is the big surprise: Apple just invented the App Store for Mac. Guess how much software will in future be distributed via optical disk?
I don't miss the bouncing dock icons at ALL :D

but opening the entire CS suite in under 10 seconds still blows my mind
 
I've done that for the past year now. Removed the DVD and installed and Optibay that could fit an OCZ Vertex 2 SSD.

+1. I have the exact setup on my Mac Pro. I keep my OS/Apps on my 120 GB OCZ Vertex 2 SSD, user files on bay a, media files on Bay 2, work files on Bay 3 and "Time Machine" on Bay 4. Even though SATA HDD's aren't as fast as SSD's, having the OS and App's on the SSD greatly improves system performance. I made aliases for my personal document folders in my Home folder, and named the original folders so that the system references my pictures/documents/music in the correct locations.
 
+1. I have the exact setup on my Mac Pro. I keep my user files on one SATA bay, media files on another, work files on the third and "Time Machine" on the fourth. Even though standard SATA HDD's aren't as fast as SSD's, having the OS and App's on the SSD greatly improves system performance. I made aliases for my personal document folders in my Home folder, and named the original folders so that the system references my pictures/documents/music in the correct locations.

Just an fyi, you're able to change the location of your home directory from within the accounts page of system prefs... right click on your user name and you can edit the path there.

NOT something i would recommend doing in the middle of a production day, but the functionality exists to do so. Saves you making those aliases!
 
Three things could be happen this thursday
  1. nothing
  2. new MBP will meet expectations
  3. fall short of expectations

i wonder which one it will be.
 
Wishlist

I know I'm probably dreaming but I hope the 13" has:

*Backlit keyboard (please don't remove this like in the MBA).
*Matte hi-res display (or the option for one).
*Lose the ODD
*64GB at least for the OS and a few apps and I don't really care about the
second drive because I will replace it with some 2.5" SSD.
*4GB ram standard (upgradeable to at least 8).
*Lighter weight (4.0 lbs or less)
*12 hour battery
*Slimmer profile (don't mind the wedge shape either).
 
This makes me think they arent ditching the optical drive. Unless they are putting another battery in there and advertising 4 trillion hour sleep battery time. I'm broken hearted I desperately want a 128 GB SSD for me to put Adobe CS5 and final cut studio and logic studio on, plus all my games, then give us a 500 GB HDD in the optibay.

Sorry, can't do that. You are absolutely right. SSDs can handle alot more than HDDs. It's like Computing 101. I am a Graphic Designer by profession, and I also program. I'm dreaming pure SSDs.

I'm not a programmer, but I am a designer.
I don't want to have to deal with the silicon cracking when it overheats.
For the moment, it is more expensive to replace and to put in machines, but eventually the will drop, and maybe one day running the entire system on the solid state drive will be the norm.
For now, and with professionals I've talk to...one of whom has been doing this for many years...solid state is for storage...not for running a operating system off of.
When I think of running an operating system off a solid state solution, I think of hand held gaming systems.
I assume that's how they run such kick ass graphics on PSPs and their operating systems.

Personally, I wouldn't turn a computer off that much.
I've looked and I know what I want...27 inch iMac, Intel i7 processor, 2 TB hard drive, 16 gigs of RAM-no solid state. New processors...the Sandy Bridge...haven't looked at the specs, but it's generally accepted that new ***** is bigger and better.
So we'll see on that.
There's a reason my university used and still uses Mac Pros with traditional hard drives to instruct...because it's reliable, it works, it handles the 24/7 operation that we out them through. Solid state drives...in a larger housing, I suppose the cooling system would be powerful enough, but for laptops, if you're going to do serious work, I can't imagine it handling 24/7 operation running something like Creative Suite.
However, despite my adamant traditional drive stance...I'd be willing to try out the solid state drive holding the OS on it.
I supplier I'll be skeptical until I see how they work, wait for other designers to try it out...see how accepting they are of it...see if it handles the workload.
 
You're not wrong. I have no idea what that guy is talking about. SSDs are superior in every way to spinning hard disks (including heat).
Not really true. SSD's can be superior. But it depends on the actual implementation. There are more than a few SSD's for sale right now today that perform worse than traditional platter drives, at least in synthetic benchmarks. Some of the really low-budget SSD's have pitiful sequential write speeds of 30 MB/s or even lower - far below what a fast platter hard drive can do.
 
TRIM is crutch for crappy SSD controllers. The real solution is to stop using crappy SSD controllers.
+1. Get anything with a modern flash controller and start enjoying raw speed without worrying about lifecycle of flash cells. 1st generation crappy SSD's are history and so is the need for TRIM.
 
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They never had a media event when introducing the 27 inch iMacs, apples largest computer announcement on recent years.

Really when was the last time they had a media event for new Macs? I mean I know nothing truly different has come along lately, but they really have gotten away from that since leaving MacWorld. That was where they usually did a lot of those things.

I guess they don't really need to anymore though. They're not the underdog they once were.
 
Bigger trackpad is a definitely good idea for 15 inch and 17 inch. They can use those, but I am not sure about 13 inch.
 
If they made trackpads bigger than what they are now, I'd be jealous for sure. As for the built in SSD's, I think thats a great idea too. We'll see what happens.
 
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