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What Apple did was logical and useful - moving up View attachment 1870966the two used sections of the menu bar to the unused space of the bezel, freeing up precious screen space. Instead of Apple, I would update the OS so that the background of the menu bar can be only black, and then the "notch" would be a none issue.
Easily done with ChangeMenuBarColor app that "fixes" this
 
For you I guess, for many others not. I would rather have a "bezel" I can use for menu icons rather than a dead frame. And lets be honest, not many people are fan of thick bezels. Just the way it is.
Bezels: “I knew it, you love me! You really do love me!”
 
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Notchgate is such a non issue. You have more space than you had before and you have an OS that works around it. In due course you will probably find this notch will have additional features - LIDAR scanner / FACEID scanner etc and in doing so, they won't have to get every app developer to change their software because the OS has already incorporated this in the architecture of the MacBook Pro for the few years.

What I am more disappointed in, is that they have dropped the 'MacBook Pro' label on the screen. Why ? there will be an after market business of labels to reapply this !! And why did they leave it off ???????
I think we can all agree, this notch is a bigger deal than the Pandemic.

If ”The Walking Dead” was realistic, people wouldn’t be running around fighting zombies, they’d be arguing about a notch on their devices while getting their leg chewed off.
 
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Let's be clear here: this upper space is NOT an "extended screen area", right? The notch cut's into the regular screen resolution, right? The Finder configuration option therefore cut's away display space and will downscale the full screen app, is it?

No - they _added_ pixels. They literally _added_ screen to the left and right of the camera. Nothing at all was lost.
 
I feel like this is such a clunky solution for something that we didn't really need? Is this to house a single webcam? In full screen mode your screen size is smaller than it could've been…
The alternative was a bezel instead and then your screen would be smaller than it could be. Adding the notch and having it wrap into the menu bar gives you extra space. And as such the notch will never cut into content. It was a great idea.
 
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The fact Apple is hiding it in a majority of the promo pics on the product page is sort of an omission that even they think it looks bad.
They should speak to half the people on here who seem to love it 😃

Such a shame as the rest of the machine looks terrific.

The iPhone notch was widely copied, I'll admit to my surprise. Other than Xiaomi who will already be making knock offs as we speak, I'll be interested to see which manufacturers follow suit on this one. My guess is not many.
 
It’s really not. In full screen mode your screen is the same size and aspect ratio it would have otherwise been.

In regular desktop mode, you get extra space, bringing the aspect ratio from 16:10 to something much closer to 3:2.

The thing most people seem to be forgetting is that on PC laptops that have have razor thin bezels, no notch, and a webcam, the cam is either in a weird place or it’s a piece of low-res garbage (with a tiny sensor).

I really do not understand why people are so up in arms about this. It makes the screen bigger in one mode, the same size in the other, and the camera vastly better.
The problem seems to be one of reading comprehension :)
 
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I believe the issue with FaceID is that the components are too thick to fit in the very thin MacBook Pro display. They might be able to eventually shrink the tech, but that is a ways out.
Heh it is so hard to put your finger on that power button:)
Makes me feel so a part of the lumpen:)
 
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I'm on a 2014 MBP. It's not getting Monterey but it'll be receiving updates for a few years yet. If I spend 3k+ on a replacement I want it to be everything I want it to be.

One question is, now we have a notch, is it here to stay? If so then at some point I'll have to end up with a notched MBP. But not this one. And you just know HDMI 2.1 and Face ID are round the corner. So yes, for me this has delayed the purchase of my next MBP.
I have a 2014 and its great but if you like that you'll love the MacBook air m1!
I have it and love it, so much power and so much better than the 2014, but I'll be selling
both once i see more of the reviews!
 
Apple, why can't we just have this...
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...it looks so much better and has a webcam without a notch.
If Dell can do it, surely Apple can do it.
has less screen area and a Sh2t camera.
 
Apple should add a new "Baby mode" for all the petulant infants crying about "losing screen real estate to the notch." It'll just permanently black out the notch row and you can have your 16:10 MacBook Pro display with enough bezel to house a camera.

Seriously though - look at the MacBook Air. There is 2x the height of the notch in bezel alone for just a webcam. Dell has laptops with smaller top bezels, but you also get a beautiful grainy "1080p" webcam image because the sensor is as small as the original iPhone. Or do like other manufacturers and just ditch the camera entirely.

Look at your Mac, and look at the menubar. Are you really going to miss those blank pixels? For any sane person, no.

Also in the article - compatibility mode refers to the backwards compatible part where the display becomes a 16:10 rectangle. There is no "mode" for putting content around the notch, that is just the default if the developer supports it - enabling compatibility mode would turn it off.
Don't be talking sense n stuff!
 
I have a 2014 and its great but if you like that you'll love the MacBook air m1!
I have it and love it, so much power and so much better than the 2014, but I'll be selling
both once i see more of the reviews!
I did something similar. I have a 2014 15” Pro that I had been itching to replace. A 16” MacBook Pro was a non starter with the lack of ports, poor thermals and Touch Bar so I got a Lenovo X1E for productive work and a M1 Air for light duty stuff. Great combination, love the air. If the M1 had more flexibility with virtualization, I might think about the new pros and go back to one machine (despite the notch) but I’m alright with this combination.
 
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Yes, you do get more space.
However, I think there is some argument regarding it’s size.
The thought is that FaceID will eventually be implemented and that space will be necessary.…again eventually.

Does that mean current users have to pay the price in the meanwhile? Could the notch be smaller or perhaps it’s use a dot instead?
 
I cannot begin to fathom why people cover their MacBook webcams with tape, for so many reasons.

1) The camera cannot physically activate without turning on the LED. It just can’t. If the camera has power, the LED has power.

2) If someone has so thoroughly owned your computer that they can spy on you through your webcam, then they already have total access to your system and you’re screwed anyway, so worrying that they’re going to catch you picking your nose while they riffle through every file on your system seems a bit hysterical to me.

3) How do you disable the microphones? Or do you just take extra care to never say anything sensitive within earshot of your MacBook?

It’s all quite silly, isn’t it?
Lots of people have their laptop open and they are not looking at it. So even if the light was on, they wouldn't know it.
 
😂😂😂

I won't be able to see the notch, as I won't be buying one now. Been looking forward to these new MBPs for sooo long too. 🙁
I'll but one if someone comes up with a system hack that shaves off the top 74 pixels of the frame buffer, so that the menu bar is back down where it used to be: with no notch in it. I don't care about having an extra 74 pixels at the top; I just find the notch to be distracting and ugly and I don't ever want to have to see it.
 
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Beauty was lost, my friend. Aesthetics. For pixels we didn't need.

Sure - you're entitled to your opinion... I don't think I'll care. If it sticks out a bit too much I'll just make my menu bar black and won't ever see it again while gaining some screen real estate.

Honestly: I'm more bothered by the black around the keys on the keyboard. I really liked the contrast they had before (typing right now on the Space Grey full-size keyboard that came with my Mac Pro - it's perfect). But, I'll withhold judgment until I can see it IRL.

Contrary to what a lot are saying: I _love_ the throwback curves on the bottom of the new machine. Brings me back to the good old days of the 17" MBP! ;-)
 
In the past, one would have suspected that one device is defective.
Times change, today a notch in the screen is defined innovative.
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It gives you more useable space for displaying content below the menu bar than you’ve ever had on a Mac before without hiding the menu bar.

That’s the literal definition of extra space.
I would like a way to remove that extra space so that I don't have to ever see the notch.
 
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