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Do you have a demo/documentation on the proper way to hold the Magic Mouse? I have never heard that, but maybe I am "holding it wrong".
I hold the aluminium sides with the tips of my thumb and ring finger, and rest the tips of my index and middle finger on the mouse near the front somewhere.

I press with both fingers for "left" click.

I lift my index and press my middle finger for "right" click.

Scroll with my index finger only, usually by "flicking" once and touching my finger when I want it to stop. This method of scrolling doesn't exist on other mice and it's the main reason why I use a magic mouse.

The palm of my hand doesn't ever touch the mouse. People who complain about the ergonomics usually get this part wrong.
 
I am seeing a lot of hate regarding rechargable versus removable batteries. This is obvious not an image of the product, but it looks like there is still a battery door, at least on the mouse. Could that mean a removable battery?

But the batteries already last a very long time. I guess I can see people forgetting to charge them, but for weeks at a time? I am sure there will be some sort of cradle, or perhaps even inductive charging, who knows? I don't see this is the travesty that some people do.
If the mouse has force touch and the keyboard is backlit, then battery life could be drastically shorter. Not to mention Apple will want the mouse in particular to be as light as possible, so they are definitely going to skimp on battery size.

I prefer swapping AA batteries (which are rechargeable) once a month to having to plug it in to charge every day when I leave the office.

It's premature to complain when all we have is a rumour but there are definite advantages to AA or AAA batteries.

And aloowing myself to sound a little snarky, how incredibly important is your workflow if you're doing it on a Magic mouse? ;)
Pfft. The magic mouse is the best mouse money can buy. The multi-touch gestures (especially when combined with a third party app to configure custom actions) are vastly superior to any features you might have on whatever other mouse you think is better.
 
1. I am paying for a mouse when I buy an iMac, therefore an expectation of use isn't unreasonable.

Yes, and the mouse that comes free with every Dell or HP that I've ever bought or been given at work finds its way to the donations pile very quickly too. This is how mass-market computers work, and have worked since the 1980s at least.

One singular mouse design is never going to be equally usable for everyone. If you want to buy a computer without some of that money financing the production of a mouse you don't want, then buy a computer like a Mac Mini or any of the MacBook line which don't come with one. Otherwise, you are complaining about what you get with an iMac or Mac Pro; put it up for sale on eBay and get more money back for it that what it inflated the machine's cost by in the first place (which is, honestly, maybe $5, probably $0 given Apple's price point strategy).

2. Neither your or Apple have considered the possibility of disability or infirmity. I have a disability which affects the fingers of my dominant hand. A mouse from Logitech can be used by the disabled or able bodied alike without the need for adaptations.

Um, I have considered that possibility, just not catered to it. I can't speak for Apple but given their work in the accessibility space I'm sure they have at least considered common disabilities.

And, yes, a mouse from Logitech doubtless works for you better than Apple's mouse. But not every mouse from Logitech, right? I say this because Logitech makes some mouses strikingly similar to Apple's Magic Mouse in ergonomics and design, as does Microsoft. Unless you are expecting Apple to have a box-to-order system with every iMac sold where they have you select from one of a dozen mouses they produced and put that mouse and only that mouse in the box before you buy it, you are just pissing in the wind here. Apple doesn't make a mouse for people with your disability; that is fine. Other companies do, and Apple's computers work just as well with those other companies' mouses as they do with their own Magic Mouse. It seems to be a problem with an as-easy-as-concievably-possible workaround.

3. My wife has no such disabilities but hates the MM more than I do.

More reason why you should buy a Logitech mouse. In fact, all the reason you should need, really :)

4. My daughter runs an I.T. department and also has a degree in design. She thinks the MM is an appalling tool - great aesthetics with zero ergonomics.

Not an expert in ergonomics says the ergonomics of something are bad. Gotcha. Again, if she doesn't like the MM, she shouldn't use one.

5. I do use a mouse made by Logitech. I don't expect Logitech to make a mouse for Apple as you claim. What I was hinting at is that Jonny Ive could do worse than learn from a company that makes a far better product when it comes to a mouse than Apple can seemingly manage.

Just a different perspective which you may not have considered.

Whew, you finally made sense there at the end. Good for you, choosing the mouse that works well for you. Again, though, your three anecdotes (yourself, your wife, your daughter) do not add up to data. I'll give you four more anecdotes - myself, my wife, and our two oldest daughters all strongly prefer the Magic Mouse - and one more to bolster your claims - my teenage son hates it with a passion because it sucks for FPS MMO games. Still, not data. You buy what makes sense for you, and I buy what makes sense for me (for our household we use the Magic Mouse but my son plugs a $5 plastic mouse in for gaming). It doesn't need to be hard.

Apple's mouse designs have been along the same lines since the early 2000s (or was it even the 1990s when the Pro Mouse was introduced?) Fads in mouse design amongst other manufacturers have been all over the place in the intervening years, but two things have always been true: the incremental cost of the drop-in mouse on Apple computers has always been incredibly low because Apple produces just one design in astronomical quantities, and the purchaser has always been able to sell or even say screw the environment and throw that mouse in the trash and buy into any of the other fad devices if they wanted something other than what was thrown in.

Seriously. Go to eBay and search for Magic Mouse. Consider that if you bought a $1999 iMac and got a magic mouse "free", you can sell that drop-in for $35-40 nearly instantly, or have a listing for $45-50 stay up for a week or so before someone takes you up on the offer; you can then take that $40 and apply it towards any mouse of your choosing, which will plug into an available USB port or connect via bluetooth and work just as seamlessly in OS X as the Magic Mouse (without some features, of course, but other mouse manufacturers have followed Apple's lead with touch-sensitive areas). Consider that if Apple stopped selling the Magic Mouse altogether they would reduce the price of that iMac to ... $1999. Which means the "free" Magic Mouse really is free to you (not to Apple, but they aren't exactly hurting in the revenue department these days). To Apple, it is nearly-free marketing, a way to showcase the cool stuff and Apple computer can do out of the box, compared to the Dell with the $0.50 drop-in plastic yet still "non-ergonomic" mouse, which is why they do it. And, of course, there are enough of us out here who actually do love the Magic Mouse and its ergonomics to keep that eBay industry alive and prospering with more buyers than sellers.
 
System Preferences > Mouse :D

But that's not how I prefer to use it. I like to keep both my index and middle forward and right-click with my middle finger, not with index finger like shown in the demo.

It's still baffling to me that Magic Mouse can't be used for simultaneous left and right click. Isn't it a multitouch mouse? o_O

Not the way the Magic Mouse handles inputs. Apple wanted the old single-button whole-hand press to be a left click still, so if you have all your fingers on the mouse and click, that's what it registers. The right click is a physical click with nothing touching the left side, etc.

I'd hope the revision allows it as a software option though. In a dream mouse it would be force touch (meaning, no actual button click, but haptic feedback on enough pressure to click), which can give left/right feedback (a left click and the left side feels like it clicked; a right click and the right side feels it) and which can judge left/right pressure differences better than the large mechanical clicker could.

But, we'll see. It seems left+right is a gesture that only gets used in games, right? And wouldn't someone playing games have a wired mouse anyway? Maybe I'm wrong there though.
 
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Usage has shifted plenty. People are more likely to be on social networks, record and play videos, take and look at photos, and so forth.

I should know better than to respond to something so needlessly aggressive, but surely you can see a difference between typing years, zip codes and other sorts of numbers here and there on the one hand, and using a spreadsheet, database front-end, etc. as a primary 9-to-5 application on the other hand.
Sorry if it came off badly, but to me the only time numbers aren't data is when they're random and I don't know anyone who spends their time inputting primarily random numbers-- so you were seeing a difference that I wasn't and I was curious what it was. Turns out you only needed to highlight "primarily" and "numeric data" came along for the ride. Thanks for clarifying.
No, it is an anachronism because the reason the numbed was invented, and the reason it ended up on the IBM computer keyboard, was to allow for quick data entry. Data entry as a profession is definitely well past its 1980s-90s heyday, which makes the tool which primarily existed in the first place to make it more efficient anachronistic.

Now, yes, people do input numbers, and a numeric keypad is much more efficient for that than a row of numbers. But, the relative need to enter numbers versus the need to enter text is not the same as it was for those "data workers" of the 80s and 90s, nor anywhere near it. To wit, if you are entering a lot of numbers on a regular basis today, you are not in the 90% "sweet spot" of consumers Apple is aiming for, and would be better served getting special-purpose equipment rather than expecting the mass market to continue to cater to your specific needs. If you are not entering numbers frequently, most likely you are better served by a few more inches of space for your mouse / other crap on the desktop rather than a dedicated numeric keypad that sits idle 99% of the time. Again, though, if you are in that fringe of users who actually needs the numeric keypad more than the desk space, see above comments; Apple's peripherals are not for you.

Again, sounds like you fall into the data entry professional camp for whatever reason. You are not well served by Apple's peripherals. Fortunately, every Apple computer sold has a way to attach a variety of third-party keyboards which cater to your specific needs. On the hand finding it without looking, these USB standalone numeric keypads are quite big and bulky enough for a hand cast off to the right to find them and orient to them very easily. And, there's always duct tape :) But seriously, if you need a keypad at near-instant touch repositioning to your home row on the keyboard, it sounds like you need a special purpose piece of equipment. Most people do not.

Desk space .. well, let's just say some value that extra 3.5" or so more than you do. It is all about personal tradeoffs.
That does not mean that there are not more people inputting numbers today than years ago.
Emphasis added by me because I think the keyword in all of this is "consumers".

I think you're both wrong about there being less less numbers being entered than before, and I think you're probably wrong that the number of people primarily entering numerical data has declined. It's hard to parse the data on it though. You can look at the BLS data if you'd like, but the job definitions are kinda vague to draw conclusions from without really making a study of it.

The number of "Data Entry Keyers" swelled from 390k in 1997 to 520k in 1999 and then fell to 287k in 2007 before the recession and was at 205k in 2014.

The problem I have with using that statistic is that it also says "word processors and typists" has fallen from 271k in 1999 to 81k in 2014-- suggesting that the number side of the keyboard has fallen in use less than the alpha side... I think it's more likely that we're seeing the effect of changing job titles as people try to avoid looking low skilled and offshoring of pure data entry (to people who still need keyboards).

In the same way, the number of "computer programmers" fell from 529k in 1999 to 302k in 2014, but I suspect that's because people started changing their titles to the more sophisticated sounding "software engineer" and "web developer" rather than an actual reduction in the number of people programming computers.

The number of accountants has gone from 843k in 1999 to 1187k in 2014. Medical secretaries (which is the closest I could find to medical billing) has jumped from 248k in 1999 to 516k in 2014.

I looked for a statistic on the number of Excel licenses over the last 20 years, and couldn't find one, but I'd guess that the number of licenses has gone up appreciably since 1995.

At any rate, there is still a lot of numeric data being entered. I'm not a professional data enterer (enterist, entering person, entry keyer?) but I make good use of the number pad because I've always had one and it's well suited to the purpose.


What I think does resonate in your argument is who Apple is targeting: consumers who use their computer for pictures, movies, and Facebook. Those people don't have as strong a need for the number pad, or are less practiced at using one, I agree. I think this argument is strengthened by the fact that Apple kept the number pad on the wired version of their keyboard-- I would guess that was to support enterprises that want something cheap to bundle with bulk purchases.

I'm seeing many more business users with Macs now, mostly laptops, but they still use them at their desks. I hope Apple doesn't forget those of us who like the extra buttons. Maybe, even if they don't make two models, they'll add the numpad to the new version and keep the last gen around for those who want the smaller form factor-- like they do with their phones and iPads.
 
Yet, Apple has chosen for several years to sell just one keyboard style,

Er, no they haven't: http://www.apple.com/shop/product/MB110LL/B/apple-keyboard-with-numeric-keypad-english-usa

You just have to choose between wired + keypad or wireless + no keypad. I suspect that this keeps most of the people happy most of the time, and if not even the Apple store offers third party alternatives.

They are using ancient systems which require ancient and error-prone methods of data entry,

You seem to think that the only purpose of a numeric keypad is re-typing vast tables of data for 10 hours a day at minimum wage. Odd - I find typing anything longer than a couple of digits is quicker and more accurate on the keypad, and do fairly frequently have to enter numbers from bits of paper even ones that I just made up, guessed, got by counting or measuring objects. Then there's phone numbers, credit card numbers, account numbers, some of which I can pretty much type by muscle memory far faster than finding them and copying them.

Nah. As long as Apple are still supporting Numbers and the Calculator app and being able to count past 10 isn't illegal, I'll welcome a numeric keypad (plus the full-sized arrow keys and other useful buttons that accompany it) on my desktop keyboard (although its a sacrifice I'm prepared to make on a laptop).

Maybe Apple should move with the evolution of the human race and just produce a 3-button keypad with keys labelled "One", "Two" and "Many"...
 
But the security issue is how to be 100% sure that your mouse and only your mouse is sending that "okay to unlock" message. It isn't insurmountable (ex, iPhone/iWatch communication), but it is definitely a concern which will need to be well-vetted before I trust any remote unlock.
Make Touch ID part of the bluetooth pairing process? If you're logged in to your account, and verify that you just gave your fingerprint, then it should be at least as secure as your keyboard, right?
 
Pfft. The magic mouse is the best mouse money can buy. The multi-touch gestures (especially when combined with a third party app to configure custom actions) are vastly superior to any features you might have on whatever other mouse you think is better.

come on.. that's not true.
i think you're just saying this without any real world examples/experience with applications which can make use of programable mice.
 
Ugh, I don't want a li-ion in my wireless mouse! It means I'll either have to throw it in a dock or stick a cable on it, the former making the mouse completely useless for a period of time and the latter defeating the purpose of having a wireless mouse! On top of that it will make the mouse lighter, which is not good for a mouse since it makes it harder to do fine cursor movements!
 
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Full size and backlit for the keyboard otherwise I don't care. As far as the mouse, not expecting any new design features and even if it did it won't be replacing my new Logitech MX Master.
 
A number pad would be an anachronism. Anyone doing specialized data entry that would make one useful should get a specialized keyboard, not a mass market one.

Now, a tenkeykess (full cursor key area, no number pad), that would be useful.

A backlight would be great however.

And the Magic Mouse should have force-touch, if Apple is serious about it.

The uses of a numpad go way further than simply specialized data entry, and going full size also allows for the keys to not be cramped laptop style.
 
But the security issue is how to be 100% sure that your mouse and only your mouse is sending that "okay to unlock" message. It isn't insurmountable (ex, iPhone/iWatch communication), but it is definitely a concern which will need to be well-vetted before I trust any remote unlock.

Even then, the device would have to already be explicitly paired to the Mac which would have to be done when the machine isn't locked. I would assume it would be hard for someone to make a device that would show itself to the system as an official Apple Magic Trackpad 2 since Apple will most likely lock it down only to take Touch ID instructions from the Trackpad.
 
I am not a big fan of that strip that sits on top that connects the two together. Looks really bad in my opinion.

I don't even notice that strip - it is all about function for me. I use a PC at work and the keyboards all have number pads. I am lost when I use the standard non number pad apple key board - my fingers get lost on the keyboard - because it is the wrong size.

In my opinion it almost blends into the key board - I tend to look at the screen -not the key board when I am at the computer. And on this one keypad the connector is actually part of the key pad and not a seperate piece, it is attached to the number pad, does not come off.
 
The Magic Mouse is horrible. Apple hasn't made a good mouse since the ADB II. I love Apple but for they forgot how to design a mouse 20 years ago. Which is sad and ironic considering that they were the first to popularize the device.
 
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When the existing Magic Mouse runs low on battery, it sure is nice that downtime is only the length of time it takes to swap 2 rechargeable AA batteries for the 2 that are drained (no more than about 30-60 seconds). While the Lithium option probably means a much longer time between charges, I hope that one doesn't have to swap mice when they forget to charge it when it's close to empty... or more regularly monitor for "low battery" so you can catch it on the day before it is going to be exhausted.

An induction charging mouse pad.... that also charges your phone.... but unless the new iPhone pick that feature up, not likely. But would be awesome.
 
It's about time Apple! And please fix the following: when putting the mouse off with the off button on the back it shouldn't wake your Mac from sleep mode! Does anybody else have this frustration?

Its not turning the button that does it. It's cause you moved the mouse. Imagine your frustration if the mouse and/or keyboard didn't wake your mac from sleep.
 
Can you say backlit??? Otherwise, it is useless. Also a num pad. I mean really, this is 2015.

Lol, I didn't realize that numbers got suddenly more popular in 2015?! *confused*
Anyways... my wishlist for a replacement mouse/keyboard combo for my iMac is a keyboard like the one they put on the new one port MacBook, with the new slimmer profile & individual leds & a trackpad with the inclusion of force touch.
 
Because it makes sense to pay Apple $100, instead of a few bucks every couple years.
Actually if the battery is anything like an iPhone's, it should last 300 cycles easily which even if you charge it every month would take 25 years to reach. I would think few people would wear it out in less than 5 or 10 years
 
Rechargeable peripherals have never sat well with my workflow. It's much easier to swap AAs than to be inconvenienced while it charges. Hopefully there's an elegant solution in the works.

I'm thinking there would be a USB cable to charge it and that would also let you use it while it charges.
Unless they go induction.
 
Quick ideas that came into my head while reading this:
-Force Touch Magic Mouse (what about Magic Trackpad)?
-Wireless charging for mouse, supplied mousepad acts as charging pad
-If wireless charging isn't the way to go, have a lightning or USB-C port on the front of the mouse so it can be used like a wired mouse while charging.
 
I'd love to have apple finally release a good, usable, ergonomic mouse, but with their track record and general regard to mouse design, I'm pessimistic. I get the feeling they'd rather do away with the mouse completely.

So though I'm interested in what they will bring to the table, will most likely continue to be happier with a high end Logitech.
A mouse is for people who are not able to learn to use the Trackpad. Once you use the trackpad, the mouse feels like crap.
 
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