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Also, bluetooth, video processor, height, weight and build materials. Might explain some of the difference. But yes, Apple is making more profit on its machines than Dell.

Isn't odd that Apple significantly outpaces other brands on post-purchase customer satisfaction surveys? 81% versus Dell's 55% and HP's 52% [Asus had a stellar 67%.] Makes one wonder if some of the difference may be "worth" it.

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That's what you get when you pay for cheap crap, I know I used to own a Dell that went buss after 1 year, and it wasn't even cheap, 2000 dollars.
 
What if the candy selection in a convenience store was run by Apple?

See now there's a good ad for MS.

The Apple candy store would have 7 choices available. Each candy would be sealed with a high quality plastic (which folds over the candy on four sides) inside an aluminum uni-wrapper with Apple symbol on the front (made in california on the back) and sold with a black wiping cloth. Price: $4.99. 1/4 size for $1.99.

No plain or peanut M&Ms. Only Almond.

1 flavor of gum which changes randomly 2x year.

Peanuts or Caramel available in some candy bars, but not others and only for an extra $5. BTO only. 3-5 weeks for delivery.

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It may be all that matters if she wants a big screen to watch movies on which is also a portable laptop.

Apple does not cater to every possible buyer. Never have, never will. No, you can't get a dirt-cheap 17" laptop, or a super-high-end 12" laptop. You can't get an upgradable mid-range tower. You can't get a netbook.

Have you ever tried to go to Dell's website, or HP's? I did this with my grandmother, who wanted a new laptop. She passed on apple because she didn't want to pay apple's prices, but if I hadn't been there she would have had no idea what to order. The possibilities were seemingly endless. 3 or 4 model lines, dozens of options per model, and total confusion.

Maybe there's a happy medium. Maybe apple should offer more options and dell should offer fewer. But you know what? Apple is making money, a LOT of money, with their "limited selection" and "high prices." People like simplicity, and apple gives them that in a lot of ways that other companies don't.

So no, apple will never offer as many options as there are with Windows. (In part that's because "windows" encompasses Dell, HP, Sony, Toshiba, and so many more that "apple against windows" is really "apple against about 10 other companies.") Maybe that means there isn't the perfect apple computer for your needs. That's Ok - buy the PC and be happy. Apple knows its market and will be just fine without you.
 
I agree with you man. I think a lot of mac users like to think that's the case to make them feel better about their purchase. But it's not the case at all.

Why do so many people like to dictate how others think about purchases?

Obviously the majority of people buying macs dont mind paying for them.....
 
OR, and i know this confuses some people, they could KEEP DOING WHAT THEY ARE.

Apples marketshare has been growing year after year. Why do people keep saying what they NEED to do, when they are already doing what they need to do?

I'm assuming Apple's market share won't continue to grow if the economy stays the same/worsens. The last couple of years, Macs have been very price competitive and have benefited from the iPod/iPhone halo effect. iPhones are the best devices on the market IMO, but other cell manufacturers are catching up quickly. They may or may not be able to rely on this in the near future to sustain growth. As others have said, the Mac Pros and Aluminum Macbooks are especially note worthy as being less price competitive than previous models. Apple can't sit around and wait for their growth rate to drop if they want to remain completive, they IMO should spend a few of those billions to stay at the top of the game.
 
Guys and Gals this is the Truth. Hey I may want a Lambrogini but will I ever buy one? NO. And I'm sure every Lambrogini owner out there is saying YOU SUCKERS driving around in you BMW's and Hondas. Oh If you ever knew how it felt to drive this fine Automobile. Some people will never have the budget for a Mac. NEVER.... they don't care if its OS X or Vista. They want to get a school paper done or chat on Facebook and you can do all of these thing remarkably well on a $699 PC.

People this is called MARKETING and finally Microsoft has some B's to make some decent advertising. Its got all of us talking.

Yet I'm sure she as soon as she got home she hit the Torrent scene and got herself a Hackintohed ISO of OS X.
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That's like giving people $10,000 to buy a car and then saying that since they got a Kia, it must mean that Audis and BMWs are overpriced :rolleyes:

I think I'll opt for a Flyer Wagon - it's even WAY less than a Kia...

OK, economics are real - but she'll be replacing this crap box in 2 years then. Or paying 250.00 for an operating system (that will STILL suck). Or it's going to crash constantly and she'll loose those valuable modeling contracts she had on her hard drive (I like how someone pointed out she's an actress not a nobody buying a laptop).

My partner had an emachine... and he was "satisfied" if had a crappy onboard video chip, and that it had no ethernet, and it had only one PCI expansion slot, and that it's BIOS and chipsset was one of the worst P.O.S-es I'd ever had to try to start and restart. Or that it was virtually impossible to get it to do basic things (print something, network something, put in a better video card, you name it). He said why do you spend so much on Macs... Because, EIGHT YEARS later I'm STILL running the Quicksilver I bought. Hell I even have a Blue & White G3 I can use as a webserver. Macs are often hamstrung in their own way but they have a PROVEN track record of stability, usability and longterm upgradability (albeit with some tweaks some times) FAR more than PCs.

I'd rather pay the money once thank-you, be able to buy OSes for a hundred bucks that improve in leaps and bounds every 2-3 years and have my peripherals actually WORK when I plug them in. Then again, some people want plain Jane, Lada's, not Ferraris... I send my yawns to them. Yes, she's not cool enough. And guess what: We are. And not only cool we're in it for the long term - not to throw it away, replace it and so on. Good design has shelf life - and it's not simply cache.... or "cool" - it's damn good design. Period. And I'll save then, and pay for "better", any day, over "crap", that will cost me more in the future
 
It turns out that Justin Long used to be an actor too

It makes out she's a regular-Jo. But it turns out she's an actress:
http://blog.seattlepi.com/microsoft/archives/165113.asp
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5j21_czE2W3qfqjnCXv_pZEimzGNQD975VIA80

Not that I'm shocked - adverts use actors. Just it's a bit misleading, in my eyes.

It's on Daring Fireball too but couldn't be bothered to find the article link.

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http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0519043/ :)
 
I have a serious question(s) for some of you..

In your experience have you really needed to spend hundreds of dollars on tech support for PCs?

I had a HP laptop that I bought for $1,100 about 3 or 4 years ago. It worked great for 3+ years and I never spent a dime on it.

Subscriptions for anti-spyware programs?

There are plenty of free alternatives that do a great job.

As previously stated, I love my Macbook. More so than I did that HP, but some of this talk is gibberish.

HP laptop $600
Tech Support $500

...No, it really isn't.

As I have my own IT consultation and repair business, I can state with great certainty that a lot of money is spent by the average consumer in diagnosing and repairing Windows based systems. Most Windows clients have virus issues or systems that after a few months are running slower when compared to initial use. This is usually from months of adware, viruses/tojans that are installed through "phishing" sites and downloaded infected executables (as Mac OS X utilizes self-contained programs in .dmg mounts there is much less chance of a virus leaking into a system - now at least). In most cases, virus detection and quarantine is ineffective and the user results in zero out erasing and reinstalling Windows. That is just one example of many.

As an ex Apple Genius, most of my Apple clientele are Windows switchers who need/want personal sessions on learning the ins and outs of Mac OS X (or transferring data from a Windows system to a Mac OS X based environment). Very rarely do I have a Mac user with hardware issues, and in those cases the user has a 3-4 year old machine that is experiencing average wear and tear issues.

Lastly, the fees charged by IT professionals is fairly expensive. Examine BestBuy's "Geek Squad", prices for many of their services run between $99-300, and most include limitations based on the device, number of devices, etc. Data recovery for a physically damaged hard drive runs in the hundreds, depending on the size of the drive and the type of damage. In short, it is not inexpensive.
 
I have a serious question(s) for some of you..

In your experience have you really needed to spend hundreds of dollars on tech support for PCs?

I had a HP laptop that I bought for $1,100 about 3 or 4 years ago. It worked great for 3+ years and I never spent a dime on it.

Subscriptions for anti-spyware programs?

There are plenty of free alternatives that do a great job.

As previously stated, I love my Macbook. More so than I did that HP, but some of this talk is gibberish.

HP laptop $600
Tech Support $500

...No, it really isn't.

Of course the $600 +$500 is gibberish, but so are some of the comparisons of machines.

When we consider comparable systems in terms of screen size & resolution, weight, dimensions, performance, and battery life the gap between Apple computers and computers that rely on windows narrows drastically.
 
Here's the laptop she got for $700
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage...+17+inch+laptop&type=product&id=1218041148373
It may be 17", but it's got poor resolution for the screen size, slower ram, questonable CPU, rubbish battery, 100Mb (not gigabit) ethernet, G wireless, shared graphics memory. Comes with Vista, the list goes on.

There's a reason it's cheap...

Exactly! They use cheap bargain bin components to build these cheap computers. I mean, compare the screens, the battery life/quality, etc. to a mac's. Also, I'd bet that that $699 laptop also comes with TONS of trial software. The trial software companies pay HP, Dell, Toshiba etc. money to install the software on the computers, which in turn lowers the price of the computer. The only trial software a mac comes with is iWork 09... You also get a lot of quality programs with the mac preinstalled: iLife suite. iPhoto alone is one of the programs that stands out. Plus, you get the Mac OS X operating system. I'm not saying that mac's are the cheapest things in the world, but, when you factor in the quality of the components, the software (or in some cases, the lack there of (ex: trial software)), and the support (anyone ever call dell or emachines??? They're pretty much useless...), the price eventually gets somewhat justified. I say somewhat because I'd like to see then drop a tiny bit..
 
I can see Apples next ads responding to this by showing the better value you get with a mac and OSX.

  • Improved usability and productivity (at work i use xp and it certainly slows me down, things that are simple on my mac are a chore on the pc!
  • Cost of security (anti-virus, spyware etc)
  • Resale value (I sold my old G4 iMac with busted logic board and no HDD for £100 only 6 months ago!
  • Build quality - Macs tend to last much better than the cheaper (or even similar priced) alternatives.
  • Excellent software in the box (iLife 09 - that'll cost you £100+ for Windows)
  • An OS that is actually functional (Vista - need I say more?)!
  • Hardware that is perfectly in sync with the software i.e driver issues.

They should just hire the same actress (or one that looks much like her), and have her in a Mac store after "returning the junk she paid $600 for and couldn't get working well"... "It was slow, the screen was poor quality, it was bulky and cheap, and every time I wanted to do something I had to go through a cumbersome install or buy new software".

Cue Mac Genius, who shows her the MacBook and talks about iLife. She loves it!

I think a good ad agency could counter these SO easily.
 
as others have pointed out, take comparably spec'd mac/pc, and over x years, what's the TCO?

Regardless of the TCO, the budget (in this economy) would likely remain the same. For many, if they only have $1000 to spend right away and need a computer right away, then they still only have $1000 to spend right away and still need a computer right away.
 
Because the argument should be BMW vs Toyota.

Yes, Mac's are BMW's because they are all the same like that. But PC's have cheap ones and then there are expensive PC's for the higher end users.

Who in the right mind would take a BMW over a Toyota if they were given for free, of course most people will get a Toyota but they dream of owning a BMW like the girl in the commericial wants a Mac but gets the cheap HP.
 
As I have my own IT consultation and repair business, I can state with great certainty that a lot of money is spent by the average consumer in diagnosing and repairing Windows based systems. Most Windows clients have virus issues or systems that after a few months are running slower when compared to initial use. This is usually from months of adware, viruses/tojans that are installed through "phishing" sites and downloaded infected executables (as Mac OS X utilizes self-contained programs in .dmg mounts there is much less chance of a virus leaking into a system - now at least). In most cases, virus detection and quarantine is ineffective and the user results in zero out erasing and reinstalling Windows. That is just one example of many.

As an ex Apple Genius, most of my Apple clientele are Windows switchers who need/want personal sessions on learning the ins and outs of Mac OS X (or transferring data from a Windows system to a Mac OS X based environment). Very rarely do I have a Mac user with hardware issues, and in those cases the user has a 3-4 year old machine that is experiencing average wear and tear issues.

I suppose I often overlook number one, because as a computer savvy person I would never need to consult or pay to have someone fix that for me. It is a good point though.
 
They should just hire the same actress (or one that looks much like her), and have her in a Mac store after "returning the junk she paid $600 for and couldn't get working well"... "It was slow, the screen was poor quality, it was bulky and cheap, and every time I wanted to do something I had to go through a cumbersome install or buy new software".

Cue Mac Genius, who shows her the MacBook and talks about iLife. She loves it!

I think a good ad agency could counter these SO easily.

HAHAHAHA that would be awesome....
 
Point?

What exactly is this add trying to prove? That if someone offers you a grand to buy and computer you can find one?:confused:
 
Can't fault MS for doing this - it's one of the things they win on: price. Just as Apple has pointed the thing they win on: OS.

I'm surprised it's taken them so long....
 
All I Know...

...is if someone hands me $1000 to buy a computer. I'm either getting a refurb iMac or I'm hunting eBay for an iMac or MBP :)
 
Speak Brotha!!!

oh and btw, of course Lauren isn't cool enough to be a Mac person, she's a ginger :p

Apple should point out the ridicilious price for Office comared to iWork. If Microsoft wants to talk about price, why don't they lead by example and lower the price of Office, bloody hypocrites.
 
Simply put, Apple's end-to-end model is their competitive advantage. It allows Apple to truly innovate across the Apple ecosystem from hardware, operating systems (Mac OS X, iPhone OS), and applications.

Microsoft simply can't do this and thus they and PC manufacturers are at a clear disadvantage.

I've stated this in the past:
" Integration and ease-of-use is what today's consumer demands. Apple's approach is able to meet this demand by offering a compelling, complete, and refined total user experience."

This is clearly working as evidenced by the massive Apple adoption over the past few years. Microsoft is simply scared of this trend.
 
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