if i could swear id say BIG f!"#$ DOT .
Alot of the posts in this thread weren't thought through very well. Its like they are reading off an apple brochure.
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if i could swear id say BIG f!"#$ DOT .
Alot of the posts in this thread weren't thought through very well. Its like they are reading off an apple brochure.
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I can back that up. That Ti book has been dropped several feet on multiple occasions. While there is a little seam separation now, it's like nothing ever happened. It won't run CS$ or iLife '09, but it's a great machine. Don't even get me started on my sawtooth.
I can back that up. That Ti book has been dropped several feet on multiple occasions. While there is a little seam separation now, it's like nothing ever happened. It won't run CS$ or iLife '09, but it's a great machine. Don't even get me started on my sawtooth.
I 100% agree. I can buy a BMW for $50k or a Honda Accord (or whatever) for $25k. For the AVERAGE person out there, both are going to do the basics (get you from A to B) and both (since I am not comparing a $50k BMW to a Smart Car) are going to give you similar features...sunroof, leather, power everything, ABS brakes, etc.
This entire thread is better discussed in a 1-hour tv show rather than what people can write down in 4-5 sentences.
Enjoy your lower screen resolution, slower processor, RAM, and wireless connectivity, lack of Bluetooth, and pre-"use"-tinted case!
1. that laptop was fugly
2. it's got vista
3. it's garbage a laptop
4. it's HP, not very reliable
5. it's got vista
6. it's pc
2. it's got vista
3. it's garbage a laptop
4. it's HP, not very reliable
5. it's got vista
6. it's pc
You're not exactly correct either; it depends on the version of Windows; Ultimate? Probably not. That's also why MS is planning to have a lighter version just for netbooks and computers in "Developing Countries".
You have to remember, this is targeting the average consumer. Its not getting into the OS or exact specs. Sure we know why Apple notebooks are better, but if you looking at just the price then this ad a gonna appeal to the majority of shoppers.
They might just need basic hardware at a good value. Not everyone need premium gear. This ad just points out what we have already known about Apple vs PC. Nothing new. We are always comparing Apple's hardware to PC for price.
No big deal. Anyone can see Apple products are more expensive. If they do the research then they might buy a Mac. If not, who cares, its their decision. We don't need an ad to point out that Apple doesnt have a 17" notebook for under $1000.
They might just need basic hardware at a good value. Not everyone need premium gear. This ad just points out what we have already known about Apple vs PC. Nothing new. We are always comparing Apple's hardware to PC for price.
No big deal. Anyone can see Apple products are more expensive. If they do the research then they might buy a Mac. If not, who cares, its their decision. We don't need an ad to point out that Apple doesnt have a 17" notebook for under $1000.
I just tried to create a Dell 17" similar to the MacBook Pro.
The closest thing I found was a Dell XPS starting at $1699 (based on some instant savings that I don't understand).
if I try to upgrade the processor to match the MBP I add $425 (2.1GHz to 2.6GHz). I'm assuming that the NNVIDIA 8700 is as good as the 9400.
Built in Bluetooth (add$20)
So for $2144 I get something comparable to a MBP that is $2799. Mind you the Dell is 10.6lbs compared to 6.6lbs. The battery on a dell is 85Whr (huh?) So doing some handy dandy math, that gets me to about 4 hours if my laptop runs at about 20 Watts...
The other experience stuff is a little less tangible and gets into time value of money
So assuming that Mac does have a premium is 4lbs lighter + 2x Battery life worth a $700 premium?
An example: My mother just turned 66...she was using an HP Pavilion Desktop with Windows98 (yes, you read that correctly) from 1998 until 2007...I bought her a $450 Dell Desktop with XP...why? Because the new printer and digital camera she wanted to buy wouldn't work with a 10 year old operating system. That's not her fault and it's likely not Microsoft's...it was the vendors. Also, she already had a nice monitor...the new system would give her access (both hardware and operating system) to new things.
Oh, and that Win98 machine NEVER EVER EVER died/crashed or blew up as so many Mac people bash. Sure, she didn't use it 23 hours every day but she use MS Office, surfed the web, email, picture stuff, etc.
-Eric
I'm an Amiga user who migrated to Macs in 2001 so I'm not trolling. We all know he prime difference between Macs and PCs is that they PC users get stuck running either XP, Vista, or Linux. When Windows 7 comes out, things will change because, hate to admit, it's pretty damn good.
When I saw the iPhone commercial..."you need an app to find ski conditions, we got it...you need an app to calculate BMI, we got that too...etc." and thought Windows should do that exact commercial and point it at Apple. This price point commercial is a good angle as well.
Hopefully it'll force Apple to lower prices somewhat. We'll see. I think Snow Leopard will change everything and put us well ahead of Windows 7.
When I saw the iPhone commercial..."you need an app to find ski conditions, we got it...you need an app to calculate BMI, we got that too...etc." and thought Windows should do that exact commercial and point it at Apple. This price point commercial is a good angle as well.
Hopefully it'll force Apple to lower prices somewhat. We'll see. I think Snow Leopard will change everything and put us well ahead of Windows 7.
Some people asked to hear from pc users...well, to start things on the right foot, I was a diehard Apple //e fan until about 1991...yup...used it for about 10 years...I've been using a pc ever since (for a number of reasons) but I purhcased a Mac Mini 2 years ago and use it mainly for iDVD.
I think the new PC ads are dead on...they are covering a topic that Apple has long ignored--Price. As numerous people have stated here, comparing (for example) a 17" Macbook to a 17" PC (note I did not say a pacticular brand like HP or Dell or Gateway) are going to be VERY similar EXCEPT for price. CPUs will be similar, RAM, hard drive, dvd, USB ports, etc. And, for roughly 1/2 the price you can buy a laptop PC. Roughly.
Now...I know everyone loves to tool on Vista (and I still run and love XP) but the fact is that the average pc buyer out there is not buying the computer for 1 or 2 specific software applications...if you unfroze a caveman he would still need to learn how to use an Operating System. So, for the average Joe out there who wants to surf the web, read their Yahoo (or ISP online) mail, go to Youtube, write a resume, work on a spreadsheet, play some games, play iTunes, use AOL IM, put pictures on the computer...a PC or a Mac is going to do it. Whether it's OpenOffice or MS Office. Whether it's Firefox or IE or Safari. Whether it's Google Picasso or iPhoto or Kodak Easyshare. Whether it's iTunes or iTunes.
Yes, there are people who will need a machine to do some family dvd editing or music creation...these days either a pc or Mac will be fine...it's the SOFTWARE one purchases to run on the computer that is the tool the user will be working on. I prefer to use iDVD because I am an idiot with video...but I use Sony Acid on the PC because I am a musical whiz. Either way, I'm not spending $1200+ on a crazy dvd authoring tool for any platform.
So in essence, again, I feel the ads are right on...I am dying to buy a desktop Mac but frankly the prices are too high for the parts that are there in comparison to a PC *AND* for the day-in-day-out type of normal stuff I do. One major reason for me not buying a new iMac is that I already have a beautiful 24" monitor. And although I love the iMac style, I certainly cannot easily pop it open to add another 2gig of RAM or swap out the drive. That's me. But that's also a LOT of people out there who 2 years down the road want to do it themselves rather than drag the thing in to Apple and pay through the nose for both parts and labor...and rather than plop down another $1400 for an iMac. Give me a true Apple desktop...no monitor...something around $700-$1000.
-Eric
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Well it's not Microsoft who repairs my PCs on site -- it's Dell, or HP, or whichever brand I went for. Apple is easily larger than many PC brands, the size isn't the problem, it's that they are extreme cheapskates who would kill people if they were in Apple's way to a 25-cent coin on the sidewalk. For the price of AppleCare on an iMac, they should not only repair on site, the repairman should have a pinstriped suit and white gloves, like a Rolls-Royce mechanic, and he should bring megaboobed strippers who entertain me while he fixes the Mac. The CompleteCare plan I got with my Dell machines costs less, gives more, and the sales rep who took my order for them threw in CompleteCare + Premium business support + accident coverage for free.
And furthermore Dell (and others) don't exclude laptops from on-site repairs, they'll stop by your house whether it's a tower or an ultraportable that needs fixing. Apple only repairs Mac Pros on site (in spite of the contract stating "desktop computers", which should include iMacs), and then only if the computer is located within a certain radius of their nearest Apple service center. I can't remember the exact figures but I think it was 80 kilometers, and I live 110 kilometers from the nearest Apple repairs place so I would have to drag a Mac Pro all the way there if I ever bought one. And that's neither "pro" nor "care".
There is a massive know-nothing computer user market and the first (and only) thing on their list is screen size.
In that respect Microsoft is smart and know their audience. On the flip side, what does it say about your product and the machines that run it if the only effective advertising angle you have is price? It says it's garbage.
Burg there's a big market for garbage
In that respect Microsoft is smart and know their audience. On the flip side, what does it say about your product and the machines that run it if the only effective advertising angle you have is price? It says it's garbage.
Burg there's a big market for garbage
Read the sig. For me it was worth it to get a Mac. I have owned Mac's for many, many years. What you don't seem to understand is a lot of people don't put the same amount of emphasis on computers as the rest of us. For them, a $700 PC is more than enough.
I would not go out and buy a 1000 balls of yarn so I could spend my time sewing. I would rather use that money to buy a Mac. Which brings me back to the entire point of my post: to each his own.
Well, look at this one here:
http://www.amazon.com/Toshiba-Qosmi...f=sr_1_24?ie=UTF8&s=pc&qid=1238251734&sr=1-24
A Toshiba with an Intel Core 2 Quad Q9000 2 GHz, 4 GB RAM, 9800M GTS video card with 1 GB and 320 GB 7200 RPM HD. The screen resolution is 1440x900, but the laptop is over US$ 1,000 cheaper than the 2.66 GHz 17" MacBook Pro.
http://www.amazon.com/Toshiba-Qosmi...f=sr_1_24?ie=UTF8&s=pc&qid=1238251734&sr=1-24
A Toshiba with an Intel Core 2 Quad Q9000 2 GHz, 4 GB RAM, 9800M GTS video card with 1 GB and 320 GB 7200 RPM HD. The screen resolution is 1440x900, but the laptop is over US$ 1,000 cheaper than the 2.66 GHz 17" MacBook Pro.
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dunno what PCs you use but i got all of that and more from my old dell latitude which kicks the living daylights outa most macs and their longevity.
Don't forget to factor in discount coupons that are available, as much as 25% on the Dell. To be fair, use the education discount on the Apple.
What I would say to that is that -since I'm paying that much money, better make it worth.
The benefits of DDR3-1066 over DDR2-800 are marginal at best.
If they paid less more power to them.
Yeah, there's always a few high-end PCs that outspec Macs. I once thought that once the PowerPC curtain is drawn, Intel Macs become reality and people will be able to make direct comparisons between PCs and Macs without rigged benchmark chart diffusion inbetween, Apple would get their act together and only offer cutting-edge configurations, but amazingly they still have the nerve to stay one step behind and still charge more.
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another reason macs are better..
my grandpa spilled a glass of wine.. a big glass of wine on his macbook... guess what i am on it typeing EVERYTHING is fine no problems at all.. works just as fast and just as nice as day one.. he bought a new macbook and i got this one...
my grandpa spilled a glass of wine.. a big glass of wine on his macbook... guess what i am on it typeing EVERYTHING is fine no problems at all.. works just as fast and just as nice as day one.. he bought a new macbook and i got this one...
I do know however, for a fact, that all my friends, family (yes, even my mother) knows what RAM is.
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