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Because Wii is a thinking-man's console and XB360/PS3 are gamers (and less educated people's generally) consoles. Mac is a thinking person's computer and PC is a gamers rig or net appliance. Plus, The Wii is white and Apple did have a white fixation for a quite a while until just recently.


Worst analogy since Apple equals BMW. :rolleyes:
 
Thank you!

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Quality has to be payed for.

Their business model is based on selling something unique. They do not get into the commodity market. If you do, what happens is it becomes an arms race until in the end your once well designed product will be sourced from a low cost OEM supplier in Asia. And what you are selling is the same thing as the next guy, just with a different brand and slightly different casing. Your company will now be just a marketing company and all the R&D will be gone. Apple is preserving its integrity and ensuring its LONG TERM survival.

There is no future in selling in the commodity market.

Once a product becomes commoditised. Its time to get out of that business and leave it to the companies who want to scratch a living on ever decreasing margins.

apple are smart. They know how to run their business well and make innovative products.


Great post. An an I.D. I tend to appreciate the hardware aspect of Apple's products where some do not. I don't mind paying for that. The unibodies are more innovative than most people realize, I think. Maybe even moreso than the iPhone. And then the competition, Who doesn't know jack crap about hardware, gives them a hard time about price. It's a funny world.
 
I'm not sure if anybody called you on your BS yet, but, I'll do it anyway. Ubuntu has had the ability to autoinstall Flash through the browser since at least version 8.04.

So, I'll call you out on your claim of ever installing Ubuntu, especially not in November as you claim.

Denying that I ever installed Linux is a pretty dumb thing to do. I conceded in the post that I could have just been ignorant to what I was doing (and it's likely), but there was no "integrated" way to install Flash when I was using Opera. Atleast not one that was obvious. My point isn't about this single thing, anyways. Christ, I have friends that are Linux fanboys that swear it's the best thing since sliced bread that still admit in terms of average-user usability it's not the best. Whether that's true or not is really not provable, so it's essentially my opinion, but for the inexperienced computer users I know who don't know how to get to their email if it's not in "Outlook Express" on their desktop, or who can't go online if "the E program" isn't there, or who can't go to ebay unless Google automatically comes up as a homepage, Linux would not be a good choice, no matter how much you claim it would be the best choice. You know, I probably even still have the live CD I used somewhere here...

Edit: So I just realised the issue here. The version I used was Feisty Fawn (seven, apparently). That would explain some of the confusion.
 
Worst analogy since Apple equals BMW. :rolleyes:

Exactly!!! In this economy people don't want BMW's, they want the toyota's and ford's! (assuming that in this car analogy toyota's are as fast and are made of the same material if not better than the BMW)
 
Wow

Has anyone seen this:

http://www.psystar.com/featured/openpro-osx.html

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OpenPro with Mac OS X
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$ 1,214.98
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The OpenPro is well suited for users who use 3D modeling and rendering programs, audio recording and editing programs, and photograph and video recording and editing programs. The OpenPro can hold up to 4TB of raw storage so your multimedia files will always be accessible. Leveraging the power of Intel's Core2Quad processors the OpenPro can excel in CPU-intensive operations like rendering and real-time timeline browsing without breaking the bank. For the best in value and power, the OpenPro is the computer for you.

- Compared to an iMac, this is a pretty decent system.
 
Lauren

Lauren, it's not the fact that you're not cool enough to be a mac person (even though you didn't go inside the Apple store and had some give you the prices) it's that you're too cheap to be a mac person.
 
Microsoft is doing the right thing here taking a stab at Apple's prices. I have more ideas for them: they should make fun of Apple's crappy and horrendous QC. Too many "defects" are shipping with Apple computers these days.
 
Has anyone seen this:

http://www.psystar.com/featured/openpro-osx.html

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OpenPro with Mac OS X
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Availability: In stock.

$ 1,214.98
Quick Overview

The OpenPro is well suited for users who use 3D modeling and rendering programs, audio recording and editing programs, and photograph and video recording and editing programs. The OpenPro can hold up to 4TB of raw storage so your multimedia files will always be accessible. Leveraging the power of Intel's Core2Quad processors the OpenPro can excel in CPU-intensive operations like rendering and real-time timeline browsing without breaking the bank. For the best in value and power, the OpenPro is the computer for you.

- Compared to an iMac, this is a pretty decent system.

You can build your own Hackintosh cheaper and fast than that...
 
Here's the laptop she got for $700
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage...+17+inch+laptop&type=product&id=1218041148373
It may be 17", but it's got poor resolution for the screen size, slower ram, questonable CPU, rubbish battery, 100Mb (not gigabit) ethernet, G wireless, shared graphics memory. Comes with Vista, the list goes on.

There's a reason it's cheap...

Yet I can go buy a Lenovo with damn near the exact same stats as the macbook pro for $700. Hmmm.....

I love it how people find one instance supporting their argument and then make the erroneous claim that said argument applies in all situations. Do some research next time or better yet don't say anything at all.

BOT: Good for M$ for fighting back. I honestly don't prefer either company. I would rather have the best of both companies' products. When will people realize that competition breeds new and innovating technologies that the consumer can take advantage of? Come on people.... economics 101.
 
Wow this thread has quickly become the 2nd most replied to news thread on all of MacRumors. The only thread to beat this was the one on the removal of firewire on the Macbook 13" Unibody.

Love it or hate it, that ad worked. A lot of people are talking about it or having massive flame wars about it, hah!
 
I can tell you haven't been here long. :)

lol I've been on the sidelines. I've known about Pystar for a long time, I just never bothered to visit their site. I have installed OS X on Intel and AMD systems before, this is the first time I've seen such a system sold online.
 
stupid awesome! I think it's hilarious.

That's just what I meant. People need to take things less personal.

Myself, I liked it better when less people had macs. Sure the more money they make presumably that better stuff they can come up with and the more people using the same OS the more compatible things will be. But what can you do?
 
Well, there are plenty of threads about it so I don't want to hijack this one... but, to make a long story short, on unibody MBP's, BootCamp doesn't handle fan control under Windows, which leads the machine to run so incredibly hot that it eventually crashes and shuts down to save itself.

Then there's the glass trackpad, which I've heard lots of conflicting stories about, but they all seem to end with crashes, freezes and general mayhem.

There are a few other issues with BootCamp as well that make the Mac a crippled PC, such as the buggy Apple keyboard driver which screws up firewire performance, which means that people like myself who use firewire audio devices to make music in Windows, will get tons of crackling, dropouts and glitches in the audio. You can tinker with it and disable the keyboard driver, but then the keys get mapped all wrong.

Until these issues are addressed, an MBP may be sufficient for taking Windows for a quick test drive, but not for any serious work.
Ah, fair enough. Sounds like some driver issues they haven't sorted in bootcamp (probably not their first priority, either, huh.)
 
I suspect that this campaign is a minor skirmish - and that the big guns will come out soon for the Windows 7 launch.

Cheaper hardware and a good user experience. Apple is the one that should be worried....

Also note that Lauren was excited by the looks of the HP computer. If that isn't a slap at Apple design, nothing is.

I think we have someone from MS or the advertising company.

Well do you think "Lauren" cough cough would not say she liked the HP or whatever. It wasn't a no holds barred fly on the wall documentary.

It was an advert paid for by MICROSOFT.

I have a small business and chose an imac after yaers of being let down by Dells. Yes I had full support but the down time and in the end the hard ware crashes made me fork out for an imac.

I run VISTA on boot camp and have to say I like Vista and it runs brilliantly on my imac. I run a top end CAD package amongst other things with no issues.

I prefer my OSX though and try to spend as much time as I can with away from MS. All those can you trust this application, Your computer is not fully protected messages freek me out. I have had the best anti virus software, fire walls, anti spyware you can buy. In the end nothing works apart from switching to another OS. When I run VISTA I feel like I am in the full sun at mid day without sun cream or a hat-it's only a matter of time until you get something nasty/

You see Macs in many businesses, including mine. In the end its a business decision to go for reliable hard ware It will cost more upfront but I know will pay off in the medium to long term .
 
Its like comparing a Mercedes with say Nissan or Renault.

Yes you pay more for the Merc and they both do essentially the same thing.

But the Merc is better engineered will be more reliable will offer a smoother ride and will get you their in more comfort. It will also have more innovative features the mass market cars will try to emulate in a few years.

Also you look at German Taxi Drivers- they chooses Mercedes over Fords. They pay more upfront but it pays off for them in getting more miles out of their cars.

As someone said its a smart business owner who will pay more upfront for good reliable tools.
 
Ah, fair enough. Sounds like some driver issues they haven't sorted in bootcamp (probably not their first priority, either, huh.)
I guess so. Dealbreaker for some of us, though. For me it's like this... I will go to some lengths (like paying Apple Tax) to be able to run OS X as a bonus, but never at the expense of crippling Windows. I don't really trust them on that point, given their weird passive-aggressive attitude toward Windows -- maybe, just maybe they'll fix BC so that it works with Vista on uni MBPs, but will it also work with Win7, and if not, when? 2010? 2011?
 
That's just what I meant. People need to take things less personal.

Myself, I liked it better when less people had macs. Sure the more money they make presumably that better stuff they can come up with and the more people using the same OS the more compatible things will be. But what can you do?
Haha, for reals. No one can dictate your preferences but you, people shouldn't be so defensive. I mentioned on facebook something about building a hackintosh (obviously I still want to run OS X, whatever path I take), and my computer geek friends are all "no, get a netbook and run win7", "run linux!". I'm glad we have various choices for OS-- to each his own.
 
Wow this thread has quickly become the 2nd most replied to news thread on all of MacRumors. The only thread to beat this was the one on the removal of firewire on the Macbook 13" Unibody.

Love it or hate it, that ad worked. A lot of people are talking about it or having massive flame wars about it, hah!

Exactly. This ad resonates with a lot of different people for many, many different reasons.

Those ad agencies know what they're doing when they fire up the ol' Mac Pros in the morning. :D
 
I guess so. Dealbreaker for some of us, though. For me it's like this... I will go to some lengths (like paying Apple Tax) to be able to run OS X as a bonus, but never at the expense of crippling Windows. I don't really trust them on that point, given their weird passive-aggressive attitude toward Windows -- maybe, just maybe they'll fix BC so that it works with Vista on uni MBPs, but will it also work with Win7, and if not, when? 2010? 2011?
Yeah. It seems like less of a concern to them now since they've seen a steady increase of marketshare and ultimately their goal is to get people using Mac software (else why buy a Mac? For just the hardware and design?)

Since you mention it-- I don't know that fan control works terribly well on my now 3 year old MacBook Pro under WinXP. It seems like they're often going full blast, though I've never had it shut down on me from overheating.
 
Its like comparing a Mercedes with say Nissan or Renault.

Yes you pay more for the Merc and they both do essentially the same thing.

But the Merc is better engineered will be more reliable will offer a smoother ride and will get you their in more comfort. It will also have more innovative features the mass market cars will try to emulate in a few years.

Also you look at German Taxi Drivers- they chooses Mercedes over Fords. They pay more upfront but it pays off for them in getting more miles out of their cars.

As someone said its a smart business owner who will pay more upfront for good reliable tools.

they use the same effing parts:rolleyes:

you are just paying more for the shiny enclosure and osx. osx is the ONLY reason i have a mac. however there is a tipping point for me
 
When I run VISTA I feel like I am in the full sun at mid day without sun cream or a hat-it's only a matter of time until you get something nasty
I feel exactly like being in full mid day sun when I'm using Vista. If I look to Aero for too long, my eyes hurt as if I've been staring at the sun.
 
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