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I hope for their sakes that anyone that falls for this con and 'saves' money buying a cheap PC keeps it and doesn't buy anything else. They will need the 'savings' to pay the geek to get it going several times before they ditch it and buy another 'cheap' PC ... and so the cycle goes for the average PC user ... over and over and over again.

Of course the trolls out in force in defense of the ads are not really buying into the concept as such, they simply don't want to see an end to the gravy train. Their endless supply of easy money charging hundreds of dollars to get a PC going that froze up due to a lock up in the anti-virus software or an M$ update done twice over etc. makes M$ the Golden Goose to them.
 
Blue ray + HDMI and a 40" LCD...... your right, that would never work!!!!
Though as soon as blue ray does come to macs, all the fanbois will be going on about how fantastic macs are cause they have Blue ray....

Mini display port has to be the most useless interface going around at the moment. If your going to include one interface, make the damn thing useful.

When do you think blu-ray is coming to apple? PC are on the 2nd and 3rd generation incorporating blu-ray

Seems like they are taking a completely different route by having to go through itunes.
 
You did say that Macs are not so useful (highlighted in red), and only for looks (highlighted in green).This, I assume, means that current Mac users have have paid for pricey computers (highlighted in purple) that are for looks and are not really "functional" and maybe "useless". Then you say about not "judging. To each his own. [sic]"(in bold)

Oh, and btw I think the post about ads earlier about Microsoft being misleading and being offended by it is about how Microsoft is not really comparing "apples to apples". (as per your reply highlighted in blue)

I guess I'm being clear enough?


Dude...where are you reading these subliminal comments?! :)

1)My line about Giselle is about how Apple ran an ad with a beautiful woman (Giselle) to represent a Mac-based video project while the PC based video project was an ugly guy in drag.

2)My point about using a car is simply that...a car is used to get you from point A to B and typically try to give you reasonable amount of comfort...therefore, buying a high priced sports car isn't always the obvious choice for everyone. I'm not going to spend a day writing about this comment as nobody likes the car references.

3)The rest of your post is complete non-sense...I have absolutely NO IDEA what you are trying to convey. I literally have no idea where you came up with your replies to me.
 
I hope for their sakes that anyone that falls for this con and 'saves' money buying a cheap PC keeps it and doesn't buy anything else. They will need the 'savings' to pay the geek to get it going several times before they ditch it and buy another 'cheap' PC ... and so the cycle goes for the average PC user ... over and over and over again.

Of course the trolls out in force in defense of the ads are not really buying into the concept as such, they simply don't want to see an end to the gravy train. Their endless supply of easy money charging hundreds of dollars to get a PC going that froze up due to a lock up in the anti-virus software or an M$ update done twice over etc. makes M$ the Golden Goose to them.

Is this just more FUD or is there any proof to this claim. Sounds to me like more ofthe same FUD, Antivirus, pop up windows and whatever else. But maybe that is why crossover vehicles are so common at Bestbuy, sothey can lug their PCs for the geek squad to fix.

updates more than once? being new to the site it seems Apple is having a heck of a time with the Nvidia video drivers with now several updates being issued.
 
Which also makes me wonder,
What are Windows Camp people doing on an Apple rumour site?

Anuba, care to chime in here? (and please don't give me the same song and dance about dissenting opinions and Mac "fanboy's" getting upset :rolleyes:). As I have stated numerous times, I use and like both Windows and Mac OS X systems. However, I am not posting baiting and insulting comments on a fan based site for a product I "claim" to use but seem to detest more than "fanboy's". Your arguments contradict themselves, and if we have to read about your iMac one more time, I'll personally fly to your small town south of Stockholm and get it repaired/replaced myself.

While we are on the topic, which is it? First you lived in Stockholm, then you stated you live 60 miles south of Stockholm. You stated you did not have a warranty for your iMac, then you stated you HAVE APP but as your "IT guy" never informed you properly you couldn't use it cause you never activated it. Yet when informed it is automatically activated when purchased, Apple refused service. Then your comment is that AppleCare is not the same in the EU and they do not send shipping packages, when in fact they certainly do send packing for repairs. Then it was... I can't keep up with your inaccuracies.
 
I just priced a 17" Dell XPS laptop against a 17" MacBook Pro.

Dell came out at £2059.01
MBP came out at £1998.99

I'm not going into this too deeply but the Dell has an inferior CPU and RAM but may have a slight advantage in the GPU dept as it has a 1GB nVidia SLI Dual GeForce 9800GT graphics card (not sure if the MBP 600M GT with 512MB of GDDR3 memory is better ?)

I added a faster HDD and a remote to the MBP and a better CPU and the Vista Ultimate OS to the Dell which to me makes them pretty even in the hardware comparison.

Of the course the Dell does have an extra USB port and weighs a hefty 4.81kg !

You make your own decision, Apple competes with many laptop manufacturers and they may not be to everyones tastes or wallets, but I personally find them to be a superior product.
 
Yes, because your story of woe keeps changing.

For example:



Oh, so the iMac is running again?

Since its running maybe you can ask your Girlfriend to FINALLY get those all-so-important NDA-protected files off the computer.

But wait...did she also sign that NDA? Afterall, you said that she's been using it for months after the project - - why didn't you bother to scrub the machine before you gave it to her?




FWIW, I don't believe that you made it up: I just see many elements of the story that simply don't make any sense to blame on the original product supplier. At some point, you have to start to take responsibility for your actions, instead of being the perennial victim that we're supposed to feel sorry for.

So stop whining and go take care of it.

-hh

lmao I suppose I am "that dork". Anuba seems to embellish a lot of his "information". My statement was that his comments contradict themselves and as such I questioned their validity.

Why is this guy on MacRumors? Anuba all but admitted his disdain for Apple products, yet he has been posting regularly on MacRumors since 2005??? Is he a sadomasochist? :rolleyes:
 
What are Windows Camp people doing on an Apple rumour site?

The fact that I actually use Linux aside, that's quite a tough question. Regardless, I'll take a crack at it: To discuss Apple-related topics? Is that enough?

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Also, if I were to say go to talk about Apple on a Windows-biased forum, the replies would not be less biased and opinionated as those found on this site, and I'm not interested in [discussing] my OS preference (which the people at MacRumors seems to enjoy quite well, deducable even from my week lurking)
 
It pales compared to Yast, Ever tried setting up a network thorugh the Gnome Panel

This was my point before, A Red Hat Distro is a general term used for a system that uses Red Hat's Package System RPM. Although they make their own Linux Distros other distros are included under this term.

"2. Permitted License Uses and Restrictions.
A. Single Use. This License allows you to install, use and run one (1) copy of the Apple Software on a single Apple-labeled computer at a time. You agree not to install, use
or run the Apple Software on any non-Apple-labeled computer, or to enable others to do so. This License does not allow the Apple Software to exist on more than one
computer at a time, and you may not make the Apple Software available over a network where it could be used by multiple computers at the same time."

See that there are hyphons? Its a verb.
Reverse engineering is still hacking.

It's "non-Apple-labeled" doesn't mean it can't mean "non Apple-logo labeled"...

And reverse engineering is a grey area that can be argued to be legal.
 
I just priced a 17" Dell XPS laptop against a 17" MacBook Pro.

Dell came out at £2059.01
MBP came out at £1998.99

I'm not going into this too deeply but the Dell has an inferior CPU and RAM but may have a slight advantage in the GPU dept as it has a 1GB nVidia SLI Dual GeForce 9800GT graphics card (not sure if the MBP 600M GT with 512MB of GDDR3 memory is better ?)

I added a faster HDD and a remote to the MBP and a better CPU and the Vista Ultimate OS to the Dell which to me makes them pretty even in the hardware comparison.

Of the course the Dell does have an extra USB port and weighs a hefty 4.81kg !

You make your own decision, Apple competes with many laptop manufacturers and they may not be to everyones tastes or wallets, but I personally find them to be a superior product.

Bad comparison. With the 17" Dell you're effectively getting 2 superior graphics cards and at that price I'm pretty sure a Blu-ray player as well as more RAM. However, I wouldn't consider the XPS M1730 a laptop, more a desktop replacement. The 17" MBP is on the cusp of what is portable.

A fairer comparison would probably be the Studio 17, which is about 500g heavier, but costs a great deal less for almost the same specs.
 
Haha, you guys seriously are praising Apple for LCD Panel quality? They have some of the worst LCDs I've seen. I went through 5 MBPs looking for a panel that wasn't so uneven it gave me a headache.

Oh, and that HP has a way better keyboard.

I agree with StupendousMan. I like OS X. I hate Apple as a company and their new notebooks. Most of their crap is overpriced. I bought my MBP for the battery life and the OS, and that is all. The difference between most of you guys and those of us like StupendousMan and I is that we aren't fanboys and can look at the issue subjectively, instead of drinking the kool aid and holding Apple as the best company in the world.
 
I you think price is not important check this out:

Apple US Mac Sales Down 16%, Windows PC Sales up 22%

http://www.osnews.com/story/21148/Apple_US_Mac_Sales_Down_16_Windows_PC_Sales_up_22_

Given that Apple will not cut its margins, I think we're headed for one of 2 scenarios:

1. Mac share of the market falls to 2-3% - affluent, die hard Mac fans and the professionals;
2. Apple sells off the computer business to focus on iPods, the iPhone and perhaps a tablet netbook.

If you think you're not overpaying for a Mac check out the profit margins on a Mac vs. a PC.

That fat margin is of no value to the consumer - only to Appple shareholders.
 
Haha, you guys seriously are praising Apple for LCD Panel quality? They have some of the worst LCDs I've seen. I went through 5 MBPs looking for a panel that wasn't so uneven it gave me a headache.

Oh, and that HP has a way better keyboard.

I agree with StupendousMan. I like OS X. I hate Apple as a company and their new notebooks. Most of their crap is overpriced. I bought my MBP for the battery life and the OS, and that is all. The difference between most of you guys and those of us like StupendousMan and I is that we aren't fanboys and can look at the issue subjectively, instead of drinking the kool aid and holding Apple as the best company in the world.

Quad Core PC Desktop (runs OS X), Gateway Laptop, several servers, buying MBP soon!

I'm "baffled" by this... :confused:
 
Oh, so the iMac is running again?
Wow, I must have touched a nerve or something. I post a simple story about a crappy Mac and you guys start the Spanish Inquisition. So that's how it works, eh? If a guy has a horror story about a Mac that can actually be verified (all the issues I had with the Leopard are known problems), gang up together and spread FUD about *him*. Macheads... knives out since 1984. :rolleyes:

Fine, here's the chronology (please don't complain about "whining" -- you asked):

December 07: Bought an iMac that I used at a client's office until May 08, when I brought it home and put it in my living room. Created a user account for my gf. Retired the old 2002 Dell PC laptop she had been using. May 08-January 09: iMac still sitting in our living room. Gf using it daily, myself using it sporadically. January 09: iMac breaks down. After calling AppleCare I stick it in its box and put it away for repairs at some unknown time in the future, and dust off the old PC for my gf so that she wouldn't be computerless for X amount of weeks.

"These days" was an vague reference to the timeframe from May 08 to present day, i.e. the time she's been using it more than I have. Not "these days" as in "she fired up the iMac yesterday and it was great!". I guess I could have been more precise but I didn't realize I was in court.

I'm sorry that you had original teething problems with Leopard. Of course, all early adopters always do ... technology and vendor independent ...
Yes, except that when the same company has total control of both the hardware and OS, and the OS is designed to work with maybe a dozen video card models, not 5,000 of them, and the platform in question "just works" according to its devotees, you don't really expect it to be about as stable as an early beta.
Similarly, we also know that people aren't happy when change is forced upon them, which is what your client did to you.
I wasn't new to Macs so it really wasn't much of a change. The client knew perfectly well it wasn't my platform of choice (they've known me since the mid 90's), but as I would be working in tandem with their main designer who is a long time Machead who won't touch a PC with a 40 ft pole, rather than have minor cross-platform issues with fonts and stuff they just thought it would be smoother if we were both on Mac.

Yet if the 'Dell guy' who was here just mentioned this, how is it that you somehow knew this information a half year earlier?
What? You're not making any sense. The Dell guy replaced the motherboard on my XPS desktop just days after the iMac broke down. While he was working on it I pointed at the iMac box and told him about my recent streak of hardware failures, he then started talking about having been a Mac technician once and went on about some story involving having 28 "Performas" in his home... so I asked him if he knew anything about the current Macs and he said he knew a little, so I asked if taking the hard disk out falls under 'user servicable'(ish) and he said 'did you ever take an analog clock apart when you were a kid?'. He then went on to say that it's supposedly easy to damage the screen. What part of that did I know "half a year earlier"?

Sure, I could have moved the secret files off the machine had I know it would break down, but A) this is the first time that a computer (two in two days, actually) has broken down on me and I've been on computers since C64 in the early 80's, and B) I took for granted that AppleCare was just like Dell's CompleteCare and that the hard disk would never leave my home.

Now, detective, if you have any further gripes with the chronology or maybe want to collect some physical evidence like hairs or fingerprints, please use PM so that we don't clutter up the thread with this nonsense. OK?
 
Funny, it would take quite the actress to actually act as thought she was happy with her purchase. When it's all said and done, most people would gladly pay the price difference fr something that actually works.
 
I just priced a 17" Dell XPS laptop against a 17" MacBook Pro.

Dell came out at £2059.01
MBP came out at £1998.99

I'm not going into this too deeply but the Dell has an inferior CPU and RAM but may have a slight advantage in the GPU dept as it has a 1GB nVidia SLI Dual GeForce 9800GT graphics card (not sure if the MBP 600M GT with 512MB of GDDR3 memory is better ?)

I added a faster HDD and a remote to the MBP and a better CPU and the Vista Ultimate OS to the Dell which to me makes them pretty even in the hardware comparison.

Of the course the Dell does have an extra USB port and weighs a hefty 4.81kg !

You make your own decision, Apple competes with many laptop manufacturers and they may not be to everyones tastes or wallets, but I personally find them to be a superior product.

One 9800m GT is about 2 1/2 to 3 times as fast as the 9600m GT. So two of them is probably around 5 to 6 times as fast maybe slightly less because of slight scaling difficulties.
 
Welcome to the Social, Microsoft

By engaging Apple in a direct comparison/attack, big ol' Microsoft has taken the bait and invited Apple into a much more direct marketing battle. And now you can't say that Apple is "picking on Microsoft." But given that Apple has more than doubled its market share at Redmond's expense, you figured this was coming.

However MS' biggest battle isn't with Apple, it's with history. Like Ford, Standard Oil, and the other monopolists, the monopoly will go away either by competition or via government intervention. And unlike American monopolies of the past, Microsoft is battling foreign governments around the globe, trying to maintain the unmaintainable.

By lending credibility and viability to the Mac with this campaign (otherwise, why would they attack it?), Microsoft invites more open comparisons to its software, Apple's and even open source. And although you can buy a cheaper computer in most categories, MS falls down in many ways:

- MS Office is much more expensive than Apple's iWork
- Vista Premium is much more expensive than MacOS X.5
- Apple support surpasses MS and all others in independent rankings
- Mac resale value is much higher (and will subsidize future Mac buys)
- Mac quality is generally superior to all other PC makes
- and there's more

Apple may have to respond with some pricing/model options to address the coming two-way debate which, for consumers, isn't a bad thing. But what would be hilarious would be for Apple to put the laptop this woman/actress bought into Apple Stores, and place it right next to their MacBooks in order to show what $699 really gets you. Call it the Mac Challenge (Pepsi deja vu) and let the consumer decide.
 
Bad comparison. With the 17" Dell you're effectively getting 2 superior graphics cards and at that price I'm pretty sure a Blu-ray player as well as more RAM. However, I wouldn't consider the XPS M1730 a laptop, more a desktop replacement. The 17" MBP is on the cusp of what is portable.

A fairer comparison would probably be the Studio 17, which is about 500g heavier, but costs a great deal less for almost the same specs.

My son has the 1730 and it is heavy but it is a very nice machine. For about $800 less than the MBP he got a lot more computer , performance, and a much better warranty.
I agree the 1730 to me is a desktop replacement but his animation group totes them around like they are a wallet. Its also very popular to the gaming group he is part of.
The studio 17 is a decent machine that will handle the needs for the email, internet surfer, picture sorting user.
Heavy 24+fps gaming no, but for $700 the thing will last years.
If you think all macs last forever you obviously don't use the forum spy or discount such occurrences as dumb windows users.
 
I think it helps to counter the "Macs are perfect" posts to have an articulate description of a really bad Apple experience. We all know that it doesn't mean that all Apples are bad, but it does show that there are a few bad Apples.




You didn't have the "Wind Tunnel" fixed?

Nope, didn't bother me at all. In-fact I tried to *increase* the fan speeds.

Im just pointing out that you spend a little, get **** quality.

Spend lots, it lasts, and always has done for me :)

Microsoft just points out that people want cheap, but all that reflects is there software development, which is on the cheap too!
 
its not just the hardware that your paying more for, its also the apple care and support that comes with everyone. Just about every time something goes wrong call up good ol apple and they usually find a solution that works with you. And if there's a software problem they can find a solution and come out with a patch in little time, where Microsoft cant do that as easily.

Except Apple Care costs more money, at least PC manufacturers let you call in past 90 days. And why is Apple so much more equipped to patch issues than Microsoft? I've had my fair share of OS X issues that remain unpatched. Microsoft can patch issues just as easily as Apple.

All the answers on this post only tell how huge opportunity manufacturers are loosing on not distributing GNU-Linux (such as Ubuntu) as OEM - These machines will start coming with a REAL operating system (not only some eeepc or everex-gpc), and Apple (with MacOS-X) will have a true competition.

Known brand PC manufacturers should show us their courage on stop selling their hardware with ms-Windows crappy OEM! What a challenge, isn't it?

I'm sorry, but Linux isn't viable. The attitude of the community as a whole (RTFM/etc), complete lack of support, and the software isn't that great. Its great on servers, I run Linux on all of my servers (granted its only a few), it works well, but for a desktop system it is a COMPLETE mess. No standardized way of doing anything. KDE vs gnome vs a million other desktop environments, all with their own way of doing everything.

Funny, it would take quite the actress to actually act as thought she was happy with her purchase. When it's all said and done, most people would gladly pay the price difference fr something that actually works.

:confused:

One 9800m GT is about 2 1/2 to 3 times as fast as the 9600m GT. So two of them is probably around 5 to 6 times as fast maybe slightly less because of slight scaling difficulties.

Who the hell would want dual 9800m GT SLI in a laptop?

- MS Office is much more expensive than Apple's iWork
- Vista Premium is much more expensive than MacOS X.5
- Apple support surpasses MS and all others in independent rankings
- Mac resale value is much higher (and will subsidize future Mac buys)
- Mac quality is generally superior to all other PC makes
- and there's more

Apple may have to respond with some pricing/model options to address the coming two-way debate which, for consumers, isn't a bad thing. But what would be hilarious would be for Apple to put the laptop this woman/actress bought into Apple Stores, and place it right next to their MacBooks in order to show what $699 really gets you. Call it the Mac Challenge (Pepsi deja vu) and let the consumer decide.

MS Office is also much more functional than iWork. Vista Premium is a full OS license, you can install it on any system, OS X is just an UPGRADE for Apple branded hardware.

As far as quality, I've had FAR more quality issues with my Mac than any PC i've ever used. Hell, I had to return the piece of **** 5 times just to get a system with a half way decent screen, and now the case is rotting away/turning black.
 
From what I have read, she isn't an actress and is a student. No matter either way, if she is in real life getting to keep the computer all I can say is I genuinely hope that she enjoys her purchase.
 
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