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New PowerBooks - Finally
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consider me switched
yum. my first mac.
15.2" 1.25Ghz
512 (1 SODIMM)
80 GB 5200 HD
Combo Drive
AE
Baclit Keyboard
20 GB Ipod
$99 HP printer
all for $2564 (Edu price after BuyaBundle rebate and a special $100 off promo I had, tax and expedited shipping included)
not a bad deal, i think
yum. my first mac.
15.2" 1.25Ghz
512 (1 SODIMM)
80 GB 5200 HD
Combo Drive
AE
Baclit Keyboard
20 GB Ipod
$99 HP printer
all for $2564 (Edu price after BuyaBundle rebate and a special $100 off promo I had, tax and expedited shipping included)
not a bad deal, i think
looks like they downgraded the 17":
yeah, that must be scorching! SCORCHING HOT BY TRYING TO RUN OSX AT 1.33MHZ!
what's next? 256kb ram??
ah typos, so much fun
yeah, that must be scorching! SCORCHING HOT BY TRYING TO RUN OSX AT 1.33MHZ!
what's next? 256kb ram??
ah typos, so much fun
Personally, I'd love to any one one of these machines!
After years of following the PC upgrade cycle, new processors, new graphics cards, new versions of Windows, my switch to the Mac two years ago was a breath of fresh air.
I *love* OS X and the applications available with it. Even my weak old G3/500 iMac lets me do stuff that are either not possible on the PC, or are just too much of a pain.
Before I switched, I never properly used a computer-based address book, calendar, etc. I never categorised my MP3s; I thought MP3 players were an unneeded hassle (I had a minidisc player, I now have an iPod). The Mac has met all these routine needs. It's a genuinely useful, reliable tool. The Windows world simply has no answer to how OS X manages personal data.
Apple's 'digital hub' buzzword is a little naff, but it's appropriate. OS X encourages you to make it part of the way you run your life. For instance, I'm out somewhere, computer-less. I might swap numbers with someone, putting the info into my phone. Before I've even got to my front door, the phone and iMac are talking, keeping eachother up to date. All the info I need at all times is with me, and I don't have to raise a finger.
Sorry for the rant. Sometimes I get the feeling the Mac world needs to wake up to what it's got. I spend my working hours supporting a company full of Windows machines, comprised of half-solutions, workarounds, unreliability and shrugged shoulders. From a user's, sysadmin's or techie's POV, OS X is very desirable.
To the Switchers here, welcome! That box soon to be arriving at your front door is capable of almost anything you can think of, and you won't have to spend half your life fighting it to make it happen.
I hope no-one here minds if I encourage switchers to click the link in my signature. MacMentor's devoted specifically to helping switchers explore and understand the Mac. No questions are ever too small or too daft -- drop by if you're ever in need of a hand.
After years of following the PC upgrade cycle, new processors, new graphics cards, new versions of Windows, my switch to the Mac two years ago was a breath of fresh air.
I *love* OS X and the applications available with it. Even my weak old G3/500 iMac lets me do stuff that are either not possible on the PC, or are just too much of a pain.
Before I switched, I never properly used a computer-based address book, calendar, etc. I never categorised my MP3s; I thought MP3 players were an unneeded hassle (I had a minidisc player, I now have an iPod). The Mac has met all these routine needs. It's a genuinely useful, reliable tool. The Windows world simply has no answer to how OS X manages personal data.
Apple's 'digital hub' buzzword is a little naff, but it's appropriate. OS X encourages you to make it part of the way you run your life. For instance, I'm out somewhere, computer-less. I might swap numbers with someone, putting the info into my phone. Before I've even got to my front door, the phone and iMac are talking, keeping eachother up to date. All the info I need at all times is with me, and I don't have to raise a finger.
Sorry for the rant. Sometimes I get the feeling the Mac world needs to wake up to what it's got. I spend my working hours supporting a company full of Windows machines, comprised of half-solutions, workarounds, unreliability and shrugged shoulders. From a user's, sysadmin's or techie's POV, OS X is very desirable.
To the Switchers here, welcome! That box soon to be arriving at your front door is capable of almost anything you can think of, and you won't have to spend half your life fighting it to make it happen.
I hope no-one here minds if I encourage switchers to click the link in my signature. MacMentor's devoted specifically to helping switchers explore and understand the Mac. No questions are ever too small or too daft -- drop by if you're ever in need of a hand.
If you check the Tech Specs on Apple's site, it says (at least on the 17" PB) 512 MB PC2700 (333Mhz) RAM
i cant wait to order mine
I will be getting the 1.0ghz 15incher
with optional superdrive and backlit keyboard since
it still comes in at about 500Dollars CAD less than the superdrive
model and i for one dont need the extra 250 mhz.
im soo exited, when im actually gunna get this thing ordered is another question.
btw should I get apple care now or at the end of the first year?
I will be getting the 1.0ghz 15incher
with optional superdrive and backlit keyboard since
it still comes in at about 500Dollars CAD less than the superdrive
model and i for one dont need the extra 250 mhz.
im soo exited, when im actually gunna get this thing ordered is another question.
btw should I get apple care now or at the end of the first year?
Hitachi power usage ?
!! EDIT !!
comparison of power usage
Hitachi 4200 RPM
Hitachi 5400 RPM
Travelstar 4K80
Power Requirement +5VDC(±5%)
Dissipation (typical)
Startup (max. peak) 4.5 W
Seek (average) 2.25 W
Read (average) 2.0 W
Write (average) 2.0 W
Performance idle (average) 0.65 W
Active idle (average) 0.90 W
Low power idle (average) 1.65 W
Standby (average) 0.15 W
Sleep 0.1 W
Travelstar 5K80
Power Requirement +5VDC(±5%)
Dissipation (typical)
Startup (max. peak) 5.0 W
Seek (average) 2.6 W
Read (average) 2.5 W
Write (average) 2.5 W
Performance idle (average) 2.0 W
Active idle (average) 1.3 W
Low power idle (average) 0.85 W
Standby (average) 0.25 W
Sleep 0.1 W
Power consumption efficiency (watts/GB) 0.011/0.014/0.024/0.043
!! EDIT !!
comparison of power usage
Hitachi 4200 RPM
Hitachi 5400 RPM
Travelstar 4K80
Power Requirement +5VDC(±5%)
Dissipation (typical)
Startup (max. peak) 4.5 W
Seek (average) 2.25 W
Read (average) 2.0 W
Write (average) 2.0 W
Performance idle (average) 0.65 W
Active idle (average) 0.90 W
Low power idle (average) 1.65 W
Standby (average) 0.15 W
Sleep 0.1 W
Travelstar 5K80
Power Requirement +5VDC(±5%)
Dissipation (typical)
Startup (max. peak) 5.0 W
Seek (average) 2.6 W
Read (average) 2.5 W
Write (average) 2.5 W
Performance idle (average) 2.0 W
Active idle (average) 1.3 W
Low power idle (average) 0.85 W
Standby (average) 0.25 W
Sleep 0.1 W
Power consumption efficiency (watts/GB) 0.011/0.014/0.024/0.043
Simply, Apple do not offer a product in the area you want, which is the extra hot, bulky notebook with short battery life.
A 3.2 P4 with H/T and 800MHz FSB can pump out 90W of heat. Do you expect to see a 1" thick laptop dispersing that? It won't. I wonder how slowly the P4 runs because of thermal throttling...
Well, probably about as fast (raw-power) as the slowest intel Pentium-M chip.
For a detailed comparison (against the G5), check out this post. Figure that the G4 seems to be about the same, clock-for-clock, as the G5 from other evidence. Now, a 1.4ghz P-M is a pretty impressive machine, so you shouldn't have much to worry about from a usability standpoint. But its certainly nothing to write home about (except in comparison to the previous 1ghz powerbooks). Adding in the fact that OSX offloads some work t o the GPU, and the powerbook is finally right up there with the lower-end to mid-line P-M notebooks.
If you're not doing CPU-intensive work (rendering, compiling, et cetera) the 1.33ghz is fast enough that its not worth worrying about. The 1ghz wasn't quite there, but this should be pretty good.
As somebody else pointed out though, only Apple could get away with a 25% speed bump over 12 months when everyone else is doing 80% bumps - and get applauded for it.
-Richard
Of course, a 1.7ghz (soon to be 1.8ghz) P-M runs as fast as a 2.8ghz P4, and only puts out something like 27 W (can't find it exactly, somewhere on intel's sitethat I've found before... You can figure a clock-for-clock equivelence with the G4/G5 from the P-M.
Seriously, on the laptop performance front, Apple's just beginning to catch up. In other areas (style, integration), they're far ahead. Just don't talk to me about their crappy (for me) DPI. Why, oh why, can't they offer a high-res screen at least as a BTO option?
-Richard
I agree It would, but for me a want a true desktop replacement powerhouse that I use mainly as a home studio and occasionally will bring to another location (It's all about what you need it for).
I your an average person and just want to do daily things with it, then almost any notebook will be fine, but I was under the impression that these were pro moble powermac, basicly.
Anyone else wish for on-board VGA support?
I am continually disappointed that Apple does not provide on board VGA support! I have seen lectures have major delays because the speaker had an Apple laptop and forgot the adapter. It is such a pain to remember these adapters, and I have yet to see a lecture hall that supports hooking up a DVI connection to the projector cable (does this even exist??).
I have sent the critisism of the lacking VGA to Apple via the product feedback and was secretly hoping they would rectify this shortcoming in the current updates. For now, I will have to stick with my bronze keyboard powerbook - the last model to have an included VGA port... I was really looking to upgrade, but I lecture and can't afford to ever forget my VGA adapter!!!
Anyone else ticked about this issue?
I am continually disappointed that Apple does not provide on board VGA support! I have seen lectures have major delays because the speaker had an Apple laptop and forgot the adapter. It is such a pain to remember these adapters, and I have yet to see a lecture hall that supports hooking up a DVI connection to the projector cable (does this even exist??).
I have sent the critisism of the lacking VGA to Apple via the product feedback and was secretly hoping they would rectify this shortcoming in the current updates. For now, I will have to stick with my bronze keyboard powerbook - the last model to have an included VGA port... I was really looking to upgrade, but I lecture and can't afford to ever forget my VGA adapter!!!
Anyone else ticked about this issue?
Nope, the TiBooks automatically eject a DVD-RW. And if you notice on the specs Apple says that it only burns a DVD-R. Roxio wouldn't even help since the drive ejects the disk as soon as it spins up.
I would love to be proven wrong on this one. But I haven't been able to keep the disk in the drive.
Re: Anyone else wish for on-board VGA support?
I'd much rather have DVI than VGA. At least with DVI you can get VGA at the same quality as a built in VGA port. Converting VGA to DVI reduces quality and is expensive.
I'd much rather have DVI than VGA. At least with DVI you can get VGA at the same quality as a built in VGA port. Converting VGA to DVI reduces quality and is expensive.
It's about bloody time!!
Well.. It's about time!! I've been waiting for since the beginning of June (my b-day) for them to release the Pbk Which is why I decided to get a "re-loadable" Gift Card from my neighbourhood store (Sommerset) and have been putting monies into the card because I knew that they would release it, I just did'nt know when. It's high time that I get my shop on and purchase that 15" Al Book that I've socked monies away for!! 1st my Cowboys won last night and now this. It feels like Christmas/Yule in Sept.
Well.. It's about time!! I've been waiting for since the beginning of June (my b-day) for them to release the Pbk Which is why I decided to get a "re-loadable" Gift Card from my neighbourhood store (Sommerset) and have been putting monies into the card because I knew that they would release it, I just did'nt know when. It's high time that I get my shop on and purchase that 15" Al Book that I've socked monies away for!! 1st my Cowboys won last night and now this. It feels like Christmas/Yule in Sept.
Very Happy
When I go out live I use a 700mh iBook this is a wonderful mac and its stating with the family
When in the studio I use a 450mh G4 about 4 years old and has been a wonderful friend but it's time it was turned into dog food/wallpaper paste.
Just joking it can sit in the corner and talk jibberish?
A Mac is for life.
Just ordered the 1.25 15" this is for live when playing gigs
Still waiting for my G52G + 23 LCD this is for the studio
The G5 will be my 17th Mac
I'll be very happy when they come.
When I go out live I use a 700mh iBook this is a wonderful mac and its stating with the family
When in the studio I use a 450mh G4 about 4 years old and has been a wonderful friend but it's time it was turned into dog food/wallpaper paste.
Just joking it can sit in the corner and talk jibberish?
A Mac is for life.
Just ordered the 1.25 15" this is for live when playing gigs
Still waiting for my G52G + 23 LCD this is for the studio
The G5 will be my 17th Mac
I'll be very happy when they come.
Where's the screenresolution..?
Alot of the people who buy these PowerBooks do some sort of design. Why do Apple still use 1280x867 res? 1400 on the 15" and 1600 on the 17" would be great!
Since Apple cant compete with intel on MHz, why dont they do it on RAM, HD and screen? 256 RAM in the 15" . . .
To me the 17" now seems like the best buy.
Alot of the people who buy these PowerBooks do some sort of design. Why do Apple still use 1280x867 res? 1400 on the 15" and 1600 on the 17" would be great!
Since Apple cant compete with intel on MHz, why dont they do it on RAM, HD and screen? 256 RAM in the 15" . . .
To me the 17" now seems like the best buy.
Nope, Welcome to Apple.
(Although you might find a sucker on E-Bay if it is important to you...)
Dude, it is insane that so many are complaining. Seriously, the 12" has everything people have been complaining about not having (DVI! 1 GHZ!) the lack of L3 is in all, but the faster 7457 is overall a faster beast so it doesn't matter to me and I bet it will still be faster than the models that were out just yesterday. And dude, ATi Radeon 9600! OMG! They just gave me my wet dream come true, seriously, we were all trying to accept a damn nVidia and Apple just gave us the one graphics card we wanted *so* badly but knew deep down was just wishful thinking. And what is with this .1" thicker/.2 lbs heavier being *so* massive and heavy now? If you seriously cannot handle that, I think you need to invest in a gym! Sorry, but if my dad were to hear me complain this much he'd give me a stern lecture!
Now, I am like so giddy! Last night I dreamt that Apple came out with an 8 GHz PowerBook and my dad bought me a Subaru Impreza STi, so I am sorely disappointed when I woke up! But alas, I woke up to new PowerBooks, and not only that, the topic title was *exactly* word for word what I was thinking and hoping it would say all summer.
Here is why I am *so* *damn* *happy*:
My current PowerBook New 15" PowerBook
Moto 400 MHz G3 Moto 1.25 GHz G4
512k L2 cache 512k DDR L2 cache
67 MHz Bus 167 MHz Bus
192 megs RAM 512 megs DDR RAM
Possible 384 megs RAM Possible 2 gigs DDR RAM
6 gig 4200 rpm HD 80 gig ATA 5400 rpm HD
8 meg ATi 128M video 64 meg ATi Radeon 9600M
2x DVD-ROM 2x Superdrive DVD/CD-RW
Plastic/6.4 lbs/over 1" thick Aluminum/5.6 lbs/1.1" thick
No FW, no Airport, no bluetooth, FW 800, USB 2.0, Airport
no DVI, no lit up keyboard, no DDR Extreme, Bluetooth, DVI,
dead battery Lit up keyboard, higher
Stuck on OS 9.2 because OS X runs screen res, DDR, better
slower than a Kia with all four tired flat batter7 that actually works
and an 80 year old woman at the wheel Runs OS X!!! Yay, finally!
So there you have it. When you look at the specs back to back between my current PowerBook and the new one I am trying to work on getting, you can see how I am *so* excited about this thing and why it is better than my current PowerBook in *every single possible way*!!! I am getting a single module of 512 megs RAM so it'd be easier and cheaper to get an extra 512 from Crucial later (maybe for Christmas) and I also think I'll up the HD to the higher rpm version because the 4200 in my current book and the one in my sister's Toshiba are slooooowwwwww and I hear the one they are using for the 5400 version is damn nice and fast. I know it may suck battery life down, but the 7457 is supposed to make up for that, plus it'd be better than the 3 seconds I have on my current battery that died over the summer. I am also getting .Mac so I can finally drop AOL because I was just keeping it for my current email address/IM name, but with iChat and .Mac, I can finally ditch AOL for good and have a nice .Mac name. My dad said he'll help me buy it or buy it outright for me, but I offered to pay my own cell phone bill and maybe pitch in $500 or so just because I feel bad making him pay $2500 for me, but my God, this new PowerBook is so exciting. I know it's not the G5 that so many people want (Sure, I'd love for this to be a G5) but honestly, after nearly 5 years on my PowerBook G3, it's about time, and this is one hell of a step forward. This also happens to be my *first* upgrade since I switched, so I can feel even more solid as a Mac user when I finally retire my original switching machine. I have to tell you, this PowerBook G3 has been the most reliable, amazing, refreshing computer I have ever used. It's hard to justify buying a new one, but as I said before, it's about time. I'm not sure if I want to sell it or keep it, though. I'm just afraid that if I sell her, she might not go to a good home like she's had for so long. I might just keep her as reminder of the miracle machine that made me open my eyes and believe in a company that could save me from Windows.
I love Apple. Thank you for this new PowerBook, it is what I have wanted. I seriously hope it will make others of you happy as well, because I know it will make me happy. I know it may be disappointing to some of you, but honestly, this has everything else everyone wanted besides a G5, and for the most part, a lot of us won't even use the full potential of even this G4. Afterall, I've been using a 400 MHz G3 still into the year 2003 and still loving it and thinking it's fast and well up to the task of getting me through college and life in general. I bet a G4 running on Panther will be faster overall than a G5 running on hopes and dreams, anyway
edit: Damn, the columns got messed up. Well, you can still read it anyway since I am too excited drooling over the Apple page to try figuring out how to fix it.
Now, I am like so giddy! Last night I dreamt that Apple came out with an 8 GHz PowerBook and my dad bought me a Subaru Impreza STi, so I am sorely disappointed when I woke up! But alas, I woke up to new PowerBooks, and not only that, the topic title was *exactly* word for word what I was thinking and hoping it would say all summer.
Here is why I am *so* *damn* *happy*:
My current PowerBook New 15" PowerBook
Moto 400 MHz G3 Moto 1.25 GHz G4
512k L2 cache 512k DDR L2 cache
67 MHz Bus 167 MHz Bus
192 megs RAM 512 megs DDR RAM
Possible 384 megs RAM Possible 2 gigs DDR RAM
6 gig 4200 rpm HD 80 gig ATA 5400 rpm HD
8 meg ATi 128M video 64 meg ATi Radeon 9600M
2x DVD-ROM 2x Superdrive DVD/CD-RW
Plastic/6.4 lbs/over 1" thick Aluminum/5.6 lbs/1.1" thick
No FW, no Airport, no bluetooth, FW 800, USB 2.0, Airport
no DVI, no lit up keyboard, no DDR Extreme, Bluetooth, DVI,
dead battery Lit up keyboard, higher
Stuck on OS 9.2 because OS X runs screen res, DDR, better
slower than a Kia with all four tired flat batter7 that actually works
and an 80 year old woman at the wheel Runs OS X!!! Yay, finally!
So there you have it. When you look at the specs back to back between my current PowerBook and the new one I am trying to work on getting, you can see how I am *so* excited about this thing and why it is better than my current PowerBook in *every single possible way*!!! I am getting a single module of 512 megs RAM so it'd be easier and cheaper to get an extra 512 from Crucial later (maybe for Christmas) and I also think I'll up the HD to the higher rpm version because the 4200 in my current book and the one in my sister's Toshiba are slooooowwwwww and I hear the one they are using for the 5400 version is damn nice and fast. I know it may suck battery life down, but the 7457 is supposed to make up for that, plus it'd be better than the 3 seconds I have on my current battery that died over the summer. I am also getting .Mac so I can finally drop AOL because I was just keeping it for my current email address/IM name, but with iChat and .Mac, I can finally ditch AOL for good and have a nice .Mac name. My dad said he'll help me buy it or buy it outright for me, but I offered to pay my own cell phone bill and maybe pitch in $500 or so just because I feel bad making him pay $2500 for me, but my God, this new PowerBook is so exciting. I know it's not the G5 that so many people want (Sure, I'd love for this to be a G5) but honestly, after nearly 5 years on my PowerBook G3, it's about time, and this is one hell of a step forward. This also happens to be my *first* upgrade since I switched, so I can feel even more solid as a Mac user when I finally retire my original switching machine. I have to tell you, this PowerBook G3 has been the most reliable, amazing, refreshing computer I have ever used. It's hard to justify buying a new one, but as I said before, it's about time. I'm not sure if I want to sell it or keep it, though. I'm just afraid that if I sell her, she might not go to a good home like she's had for so long. I might just keep her as reminder of the miracle machine that made me open my eyes and believe in a company that could save me from Windows.
I love Apple. Thank you for this new PowerBook, it is what I have wanted. I seriously hope it will make others of you happy as well, because I know it will make me happy. I know it may be disappointing to some of you, but honestly, this has everything else everyone wanted besides a G5, and for the most part, a lot of us won't even use the full potential of even this G4. Afterall, I've been using a 400 MHz G3 still into the year 2003 and still loving it and thinking it's fast and well up to the task of getting me through college and life in general. I bet a G4 running on Panther will be faster overall than a G5 running on hopes and dreams, anyway
edit: Damn, the columns got messed up. Well, you can still read it anyway since I am too excited drooling over the Apple page to try figuring out how to fix it.
Re: Where's the screenresolution..?
No! Do you sit with your nose to the screen? 1280 is all I can handle on the 15". I know people who work in Word all day who kept their old Ti's because of the 1152 screen.
No! Do you sit with your nose to the screen? 1280 is all I can handle on the 15". I know people who work in Word all day who kept their old Ti's because of the 1152 screen.
Two-week-old Mac User Here.
I finally saw the light and jump over to the Mac-side two weeks ago. I purchased a 12 PowerBook without knowing that newer models were being released soon. Is it possible (after 2 Weeks) to exchange my two-week old "outdated" model for the current one? I figure I ask here before calling Apple! Thanks.
I finally saw the light and jump over to the Mac-side two weeks ago. I purchased a 12 PowerBook without knowing that newer models were being released soon. Is it possible (after 2 Weeks) to exchange my two-week old "outdated" model for the current one? I figure I ask here before calling Apple! Thanks.
Re: Re: Where's the screenresolution..?
-Richard, who really prefers about 125DPI on a laptop
Funny, most other manufacturers provide a BTO option to get a low-res or high-res screen. Besides, you typically are closer to a laptop screen than you would be to a desktop screen, so in a way, the answer to your question is "Yes," just not to the same overblown degree.
-Richard, who really prefers about 125DPI on a laptop