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New PowerBooks - Finally
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I didn't see that you had already congratulated them, but [gay] the more the merrier! [/gay]
Re: 15" with L3 Cache ?
Hmm. The same mistake appears to be on the French site too:
http://www.apple.com/fr/powerbook/index15.html
"Modèle entièrement équipé processeur PowerPC G4 à 1,25 GHz, 1 Mo de cache N3, Carte AirPort Extreme..."
Strange?
e.
Hmm. The same mistake appears to be on the French site too:
http://www.apple.com/fr/powerbook/index15.html
"Modèle entièrement équipé processeur PowerPC G4 à 1,25 GHz, 1 Mo de cache N3, Carte AirPort Extreme..."
Strange?
e.
After I wake up, I'll post the link to the pdf, but the processor used in the new PowerBooks is the 7447, not the 7457. They are basically the same processor, but the 7457 has L3 cache.
That said, I ordered mine about an hour ago, right as the site was being bogged down with traffic. Standard 15" 1.25GHz config, except 1 stick of RAM instead of the two. Got an iPod and printer with it, and hope to cash in on the buy a bundle thingy.
That said, I ordered mine about an hour ago, right as the site was being bogged down with traffic. Standard 15" 1.25GHz config, except 1 stick of RAM instead of the two. Got an iPod and printer with it, and hope to cash in on the buy a bundle thingy.
Re: 15" with L3 Cache ?
I've seen that, too. A mistake I guess. After the recent iMac update they had GIF left of the iMac picture saying 'up ot 600Mhz G3' or so. Wonder where that came from.
I've seen that, too. A mistake I guess. After the recent iMac update they had GIF left of the iMac picture saying 'up ot 600Mhz G3' or so. Wonder where that came from.
Rush job on new PB web pages?
I noticed that - quite untypically for Apple - the new PB pages
have not one, but several errors in them. A misspell ("spec"/"specs")
in the "processor" link (either the pic or the word, I forget which) from either the 15" or the 17" page (I forget which), making the link broken. Plus, on the 12" page, the "processor" link goes to a non-existing page named powerbook/processor.html, again rendering the link broken.
So this was either a rushed, hasty job, or the processor specs changed
after the pages had been completed? Or they decided to leave out more in-depth processor specs? I notice they don't mention 7457.
I noticed that - quite untypically for Apple - the new PB pages
have not one, but several errors in them. A misspell ("spec"/"specs")
in the "processor" link (either the pic or the word, I forget which) from either the 15" or the 17" page (I forget which), making the link broken. Plus, on the 12" page, the "processor" link goes to a non-existing page named powerbook/processor.html, again rendering the link broken.
So this was either a rushed, hasty job, or the processor specs changed
after the pages had been completed? Or they decided to leave out more in-depth processor specs? I notice they don't mention 7457.
Not even 1.33 for the 15"?
I knew moto was bad, but to only go 250MHz since the beginning of the year is seriously pathetic.
I think the new machines are good otherwise - 2 gig RAM capacity, Airport Extreme, superdrive, bluetooth, pretty good pricing, etc. And I guess 1.25ghz is fast enough for most people.
Don't get me wrong, this is a great system for anybody, especially a switcher. But if you already have an Apple PB like I do, this isn't really worth an upgrade. It'll just make us even more eager for G5 Powerbooks.
I knew moto was bad, but to only go 250MHz since the beginning of the year is seriously pathetic.
I think the new machines are good otherwise - 2 gig RAM capacity, Airport Extreme, superdrive, bluetooth, pretty good pricing, etc. And I guess 1.25ghz is fast enough for most people.
Don't get me wrong, this is a great system for anybody, especially a switcher. But if you already have an Apple PB like I do, this isn't really worth an upgrade. It'll just make us even more eager for G5 Powerbooks.
Re: Re: 15" with L3 Cache ?
Ahh... so I guess it's just the guy messing up who they hired after firing the dude responsible for the G5 spec leak back in June
Ahh... so I guess it's just the guy messing up who they hired after firing the dude responsible for the G5 spec leak back in June
LOL Photorun, you must be pleased now. just let it all out...
i'm so stoked on the new 15" PowerBooks right now!! they'll be my first Mac since i sold my TiBook before WWDC!! w00t for me!!!
i'm just hoping that Apple Australia gets it's ass into gear soon!!
i'm so stoked on the new 15" PowerBooks right now!!
they'll be my first Mac since i sold my TiBook before WWDC!! w00t for me!!! i'm just hoping that Apple Australia gets it's ass into gear soon!!
12' PB = 133Mhz bus
15" & 17" PB = 167 Mhz bus
I'm a little disappointed with this. The memory speed is twice as much as the bus speed. I don't care what anyone says ... that sounds like a bottleneck to me.
I love the look of the 15". Very nice with AL look. I'm impressed with the capability of up to 2 GB of memory.
My 667Mhz PB will have to do for at least another year.
CheekyGit
15" & 17" PB = 167 Mhz bus
I'm a little disappointed with this. The memory speed is twice as much as the bus speed. I don't care what anyone says ... that sounds like a bottleneck to me.
I love the look of the 15". Very nice with AL look. I'm impressed with the capability of up to 2 GB of memory.
My 667Mhz PB will have to do for at least another year.
CheekyGit
My 12" order was automatically upgraded.
Good things:
Faster chip
More L2 cache
USB 2.0
More onboard RAM
DVI!
Bad things:
Mini-DVI to composite video adapter is listed as "sold separately" (they used to include one)
My estimated ship date moved from 9/24 to 9/25
All in all though, I'm pretty happy...
The 7457 (it obviously has one b/c of the 512K L2 cache... the old chip had 256K as was pointed out in iMac discussions last week) should hopefully solve the heat issue.
Good things:
Faster chip
More L2 cache
USB 2.0
More onboard RAM
DVI!
Bad things:
Mini-DVI to composite video adapter is listed as "sold separately" (they used to include one)
My estimated ship date moved from 9/24 to 9/25
All in all though, I'm pretty happy...
The 7457 (it obviously has one b/c of the 512K L2 cache... the old chip had 256K as was pointed out in iMac discussions last week) should hopefully solve the heat issue.
12" Portables Comparison
If you're in the market for a 12" portable with a combo drive, pay the extra 300 bucks for the PowerBook:
SAME (essentially)
================
12.1-inch TFT display
1024x768 resolution
512K L2 cache
40GB Ultra ATA/100 drive
Combo Drive (DVD-ROM/CD-RW)
10/100BASE-T Ethernet
Built-in 56K v.92 modem
FireWire 400
DIFFERENCES (iBook --- PowerBook)
==============================
900Mhz G3 --- 1Ghz G4
128MB SDRAM --- 256MB DDR266 SDRAM
ATI Mobility Radeon 7500 (32MB) --- NVIDIA GeForceFXGo 5200 (32MB)
USB 1.1 --- USB 2.0
AirPort ready --- AirPort extreme ready
(No BlueTooth) --- BlueTooth
VGA, S-Video and composite video --- Mini-DVI video out
$1299 --- $1599
DEFINITELY WORTH THE $300 DIFFERENCE (imho)
If you're in the market for a 12" portable with a combo drive, pay the extra 300 bucks for the PowerBook:
SAME (essentially)
================
12.1-inch TFT display
1024x768 resolution
512K L2 cache
40GB Ultra ATA/100 drive
Combo Drive (DVD-ROM/CD-RW)
10/100BASE-T Ethernet
Built-in 56K v.92 modem
FireWire 400
DIFFERENCES (iBook --- PowerBook)
==============================
900Mhz G3 --- 1Ghz G4
128MB SDRAM --- 256MB DDR266 SDRAM
ATI Mobility Radeon 7500 (32MB) --- NVIDIA GeForceFXGo 5200 (32MB)
USB 1.1 --- USB 2.0
AirPort ready --- AirPort extreme ready
(No BlueTooth) --- BlueTooth
VGA, S-Video and composite video --- Mini-DVI video out
$1299 --- $1599
DEFINITELY WORTH THE $300 DIFFERENCE (imho)
I have a 15" TiBook with the first revision superdrive. I was kind of hoping to see DVD-RW on this revision. I wish mine could do it. On the flip side, maybe it is an OS limitation, (I know the drive in mine is capable) and Panther will fix it for me. Ahh there is always hope.
Welcome all you switchers! I switched Last 15" update and I haven't regretted it. I just switched the family last Friday.
I still Love my Powerbook, but the update wasn't significant enough for me to get a new laptop. I'll wait for the G5's....
Welcome all you switchers! I switched Last 15" update and I haven't regretted it. I just switched the family last Friday.
I still Love my Powerbook, but the update wasn't significant enough for me to get a new laptop. I'll wait for the G5's....
Re: New PBs
Thanks Hattig, as well, I was about to put up a similar post.
The new 17PB will be slower. My P-M 1.6 (about a 2.4-2.6 P4 not mobile) outpaces my desktop windtunnel MDD G4 (dualie, obviously) in all but apps that are fully MP aware. It's not likely that the 17"PB's slight increase will bring it anywhere close. The good thing about the new 17 is the graphics upgrade (it was sorely lacking previously); the bad thing is that looking beyond the fact that the new 17PB will get smacked down in performance, the 17,15,and 12 will get trumped in what used to be a strong point of the Apple laptops: battery life. Most well-implemented P-M machines meet or beat the current/new PB lineup
and they're getting cheaper in battery life. Plus, Dothan (next P-M) is due in December (0.9 micron process, larger L2) which will make it more efficient battery-wise and it'll clock higher (start 1.9 set to go to almost 3) This will be in laptops by 2Q '04, which means if Apple doesn't revamp the linup again in 3 to 4 months, they're gonna fall way behind. Currently, these PBs are sheep in wolves' clothing (they look powerful but are really "i" level.) If the first series of G5 PBs come out in 6 months from now and they only measure up to the current G5 desktops, the speed gap will be huge between G5 2Ghz PBs and Wintel P-M 3Ghz and Apple will have to make another quantum leap to get back in the game (like they've done with moving from Motorola's G4 to IBM's 970)
...notwithstanding....
Thanks Hattig, as well, I was about to put up a similar post.
The new 17PB will be slower. My P-M 1.6 (about a 2.4-2.6 P4 not mobile) outpaces my desktop windtunnel MDD G4 (dualie, obviously) in all but apps that are fully MP aware. It's not likely that the 17"PB's slight increase will bring it anywhere close. The good thing about the new 17 is the graphics upgrade (it was sorely lacking previously); the bad thing is that looking beyond the fact that the new 17PB will get smacked down in performance, the 17,15,and 12 will get trumped in what used to be a strong point of the Apple laptops: battery life. Most well-implemented P-M machines meet or beat the current/new PB lineup
and they're getting cheaper in battery life. Plus, Dothan (next P-M) is due in December (0.9 micron process, larger L2) which will make it more efficient battery-wise and it'll clock higher (start 1.9 set to go to almost 3) This will be in laptops by 2Q '04, which means if Apple doesn't revamp the linup again in 3 to 4 months, they're gonna fall way behind. Currently, these PBs are sheep in wolves' clothing (they look powerful but are really "i" level.) If the first series of G5 PBs come out in 6 months from now and they only measure up to the current G5 desktops, the speed gap will be huge between G5 2Ghz PBs and Wintel P-M 3Ghz and Apple will have to make another quantum leap to get back in the game (like they've done with moving from Motorola's G4 to IBM's 970)
...notwithstanding....
