New PowerBooks on Tuesday.

[XnavxeMiyyep]

Re: easy reason

Originally posted by eric67
they have to design a brand new mother board, if they do so, they want the latest technology (and even the future ones) to be included. in addition to desgin new chipset for the G5
I will be very (positively) suprised if Apple can intro a G5 laptop less than 3-4 month after announcing a G5 desktop....

Your points are valid, but keep in mind that the first G3 desktops and laptops were released on the same day.

 

[AppleMatt]

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In my arrogance I told myself that the 12" PowerBooks would not be updated, so instead just (4 hours ago) dropped £210 on a 20GiB iPod (god bless educational discount). My 12" works perfectly, but if the new one's have L3 cache...

Oh well, it's a nifty little gadget.

AppleMatt

 

[natebailey11]

Look at the pricing now... 2 15's and one 17 that start at 1999 and go up to 2999. Doesn't look like much of a change to me...

Now let's just hope that there is a big change in the actual models!

 

[macphoria]

So if $1999 - $2999 price range refers to two 15" and one 17", does that mean they'll lower the price on 17"? Maybe 17" without SuperDrive?

 

[utilizer]

Duals are here...

Here's what I think will happen, if Apple truly wants this to be the year of the notebook:

15 in. - G4 7457 1 Ghz
15 in. - G4 7457 1.25 Ghz
17 in. - G4 7457 Dual 1.25 Ghz
(Otherwise, 1.33 Ghz for the the singles, if no duals)
The disparities between the speed of the G4 and G5 is significant enough to warrant this change. I mean, I would expect the top of the line PowerBook to match the performance of the mid-grade G5 Tower (1.8 Ghz). Anything less than that is completely unacceptable, but I'll buy it since my Pismo, even with the upgrade from NewerTech, is getting long in the tooth. I still need portability after all this time and simply can't afford one the G5s.
It's waaay too early for a G5 laptop, besides IBM's fab can barely supply enough as it is now with the demand for the towers.
Just imagine what the pent up demand will be for the 15 in. -- That's why they won't be duals; get 'em out the door as fast as you can!

 

[hmmm]

Re: easy reason

Originally posted by eric67
they have to design a brand new mother board, if they do so, they want the latest technology (and even the future ones) to be included. in addition to desgin new chipset for the G5
I will be very (positively) suprised if Apple can intro a G5 laptop less than 3-4 month after announcing a G5 desktop....

It's back to the G3/G4 argument, Apple relaeased both the desktop and PB G3 at roughly the same time, whilst it was over a year until they released a G4 PB after releasing the GB DT.

Basically, there's no GOOD reason I see for them not releasing the G5 now, I mean the G5 has been in the pipeline for how long?? Although I do have my doubts. Knowing Apple, they'll upgrade the whole line this week and then in ablout 2 months (go on the rumors) the G5 PB will be release; and being a person who's waiting the current update, is going to piss a lot of people off (as with the ipod). Well I guess no one can get it right all the time.

 

[eric67]

Re: Re: easy reason

Originally posted by XnavxeMiyyep
Your points are valid, but keep in mind that the first G3 desktops and laptops were released on the same day.

True, but I think Apple Development Unit did not hqve time to do the desktop and the maptop;
and the other hand Steve promised us the year of the labtop; and we are still waiting for some real laptop intro
But I doubt, Apple Expo Paris is mostly from the previous edition a software introduction, than hardware...
and in addition no web broadcasting, so probably no big new hardware news or intro

 

[macphoria]

12" probably will not get L3 Cache or DVI out. But if it gets 7457, it will have 512K L2 Cache and better performance.

 

[macphoria]

G5 PowerBook probably won't happen till next year. But wouldn't it be nice if it happened on Tuesday? They can use similar slogan they used for Power Mac, "The world's fastest personal laptop."

 

[yossele]

Maybe:
15" G5 @ 1.2GHZ
15" G5 @ 1.4GHZ
17" G4 @ 1.25/1.33GHZ

 

[greenstork]

arn, can you at least say if it is a rumor site or one of your sources that posted this info. You always say to filter the rumors for ourselves but without some source info, this is impossible.

If you are making the assertion based on a source of your own, it's usually true. However, if it's some guy at a rumor site that you know, I might be less likely to believe these prices. Any info would be great and obvioulsy, I don't need to know the source's name.

Thanks,
Dave

 

[TWinbrook46636]

The 7457 is available at 1.0 GHz and 1.3 GHz speeds while the 7455 is available at 1.0 GHz and 1.25 GHz speeds. It should be obvious how badly Motorola screwed up when these are announced.

My prediction:

12" G4 7457 @ 1.0 GHz |---- October

15" G4 7457 @ 1.0 GHz |---- September
15" G4 7457 @ 1.3 GHz |---- September

17" G4 7457 @ 1.3 GHz |---- September

The 12" may be delayed until next month. I would love to see a dual 1.0 GHz in the 15" and a dual 1.3 GHz in the 17" but I just don't see Apple doing it. They could if they wanted to though. I hope to see a 1.0 GHz option on the 15" model so I can save a little money... money that will go towards a PowerBook G5 one day of course.

 

[hacurio1]

Re: New PowerBooks on Tuesday.

Originally posted by Macrumors
We've received further confirmation that Apple will be updating PowerBooks on Tuesday. Details are scarce, but rumors suggest 3 models with a price range from $1999 to $2999. Specific sizes not specified.

Last week, AppleInsider "positively confirmed" 15" PowerBook updates last week at Apple Expo, while in August ThinkSecret had suggested that 12" PowerBooks would follow after 15" and 17" updates.

(While purely speculation, the three models could represent two 15" models and a 17" model.)

This is what I think. The 17" will have a G5, while the rest will have G4s @ 1.25 or 1.33GHz. It makes tons of sense. I don’t see the heat problem in a 17" Alu case; moreover, at low frequencies of 1.2 or 1.4, the G5 in the 17" is feasible.

 

[hmmm]

Is the 12" such a waste of space that they wouldn't upgrade it? I mean if it's Apple's most popular PB why would they want to slow down sales? The buying public aren't that stupid, are they? Basically, if they don't upgrade their number one model yet they upgrade everything else, then all the Apple Sales management should go back and retake their MBAs.

 

[synthetickittie]

Originally posted by hmmm
Is the 12" such a waste of space that they wouldn't upgrade it? I mean if it's Apple's most popular PB why would they want to slow down sales? The buying public aren't that stupid, are they? Basically, if they don't upgrade their number one model yet they upgrade everything else, then all the Apple Sales management should go back and retake their MBAs.

It just may be that they CANT update it or nothing worth an update.

 

[Chaszmyr]

Is it just me, or does all the secrecry lend itself to a big announcement? Say... a dual 1.25ghz 17''?

 

[arn]

Originally posted by greenstork
arn, can you at least say if it is a rumor site or one of your sources that posted this info. You always say to filter the rumors for ourselves but without some source info, this is impossible.

If we don't mention a site as a source, it's our own sources.

arn

 

[XnavxeMiyyep]

Originally posted by Chaszmyr
Is it just me, or does all the secrecry lend itself to a big announcement? Say... a dual 1.25ghz 17''?

That would be nice, and it would be kind of funny to have a G4 latptop that's faster in a lot of things than 2/3 of the G5 desktops.

 

[macmunch]

Hey !

How about a G4 DUAL 17"

when no G5

 

[hmmm]

Originally posted by synthetickittie
It just may be that they CANT update it or nothing worth an update.

But again, if the 900 ibook has roughly the same performance (as with the 15") then they have to. The 867 PB range is not worth the monay anymore

 

[QCassidy352]

Originally posted by arn
If we don't mention a site as a source, it's our own sources.

arn

when it's arn's own sources... you can take it to the bank. I am surprised that they'd leave the 12" behind though, since it seems so popular.

edit:

But again, if the 900 ibook has roughly the same performance (as with the 15") then they have to. The 867 PB range is not worth the monay anymore

although I'm a big fan of the ibook 900, it's performance is much more comparable to the 12" powerbook than the 867 15" PB. The reasons for this are the L3 cache of the bigger 'book, the better video card (radeon 9000) and a 1 Gig RAM ceiling (the 12" PB can have a gig, but only with a 1 Gig RAM chip that costs almost as much as a whole ibook).

 

[filmmaker2002]

My guess?

3 models = 12, 15, and 17

12" at 1Ghz
Thinner enclosure
1MB L3
FW 800
Backlit keyboard
Superdrive
$1999

15" at 1.25Ghz+
AL enclosure
FW800
DVI out
Backlit keyboard
Superdrive only, no Combo
$2599

17"
Same as now but with faster processor
$2999

 

[XnavxeMiyyep]

Originally posted by QCassidy352

when it's arn's own sources... you can take it to the bank. I am surprised that they'd leave the 12" behind though, since it seems so popular.

As mentioned before, it may be too difficult to upgrade it, due to heating and space issues.

 

[hmmm]

Originally posted by filmmaker2002
My guess?

3 models = 12, 15, and 17

12" at 1Ghz
Thinner enclosure
1MB L3
FW 800
Backlit keyboard
Superdrive
$1999

15" at 1.25Ghz+
AL enclosure
FW800
DVI out
Backlit keyboard
Superdrive only, no Combo
$2599

17"
Same as now but with faster processor
$2999

I'm hedging my bets with you

 

[mxpiazza]

Re: Not too hot...

Originally posted by daveschroeder
Wrong. This is an incorrect statement that, for some reason, keeps getting repeated. As with all incorrect statements, saying it over and over again doesn't make it true.

According to IBM's PowerPC 970 documentation, a 1.2 GHz PowerPC 970 comes in at 19W power dissipation (typical), while a 1.8 GHz PowerPC 970 comes in at 42W.

Meanwhile, Motorola's PowerPC 74xx documentation indicates that a 1 GHz PowerPC 7455, the latest processor about which data is available, dissipates 35.5W (typical) (and 50W max).[1]

Power dissipation (typical) per MHz:

PowerPC 7455: 0.0355W
PowerPC 970 (1.1v): 0.0158W
PowerPC 970 (1.3v): 0.0233W

It's easy to see that, clock for clock, the PowerPC 970 consumes much less power - and therefore dissipates less heat - than the PowerPC 74xx. The current 1.8 GHz G5 numbers aren't significantly higher than a 1.0 GHz G4...it's therefore not hard to imagine the G5 making its debut in a portable machine in the future.

That said, the new machines on Tuesday will likely not be G5s, but it's not because the G5's are "waaay too hot", when in fact just the opposite it true.

[1] Yes, the prevailing rumors indicate that the PowerPC 7457 will be used in any new PowerBook, and will presumably consume less power, and therefore dissipate less heat, per clock. However, since the clock speed is likely being increased, total power dissipation is likely to remain similar.

ok buddy, before you run around throwing stuff around like you're better that someone else, i said they were too hot AT THESE PRODUCTION PROCESSES AND SPEEDS (1.6-2.0). I said nothing about lower clock speeds, and I am writing on the assumption that 1.6-2.0 are the only g5 processors that are being mass produced. so settle down.