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New PowerBooks on Tuesday.

Man, that $1999 better not be the 12". Two grand for a laptop with only a 12" screen is rediculous.

I say it will be two 15's and the 17.
 
Originally posted by XnavxeMiyyep
Because the 12" is too small to fit a G5 at the size they are now.
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What's the point of having a top range if the complete range is not top - by only upgrading the 17 and 15" to G5 and leaving the 12" as a G4, then in reality it puts the 12" back in the league of ibooks - it would make zero sense and lose Apple credibility in the portable market - something they don't need
 
Originally posted by Mathieu
With a 15" G4 at $2500 and a 17" G5 at $2999, who would buy the 15"?
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Well, it could well be that the 17" will be a 1.25Ghz G4. But, there may be a limited edition G5 powerbook (priced much higher). Yes I know that there would need to be hefty price + major internal update. However, its not wasted money since all powerbooks will go to the G5 at some point.
 
Originally posted by hmmm
What's the point of having a top range if the complete range is not top - by only upgrading the 17 and 15" to G5 and leaving the 12" as a G4, then in reality it puts the 12" back in the league of ibooks - it would make zero sense and lose Apple credibility in the portable market - something they don't need
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Maybe, but would it be better for them to wait for the 12" Powerbook to be able to get a G5, too, or to release a G5 Powerbook as fast as possible?
 
It may just be me, but I really dont see why the powerbook wont go G5's throughout! Whats stopping apple. I reckon IBM could produce a range of low power G5's.
 
Originally posted by Falleron
Well, it could well be that the 17" will be a 1.25Ghz G4. But, there may be a limited edition G5 powerbook (priced much higher). Yes I know that there would need to be hefty price + major internal update. However, its not wasted money since all powerbooks will go to the G5 at some point.
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I agree, either the whole range will go G5 or there'll be a new G5 range on top of the current (upgraded) G4 range - that'd be cool
 
64-bit laptops already available

Originally posted by Falleron
Or, the worlds first 64bit laptop.
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Tadpole has been selling 64-bit Alpha and SPARC notebooks for many years....

http://www.tadpolecomputer.com/html/

home_main1.jpg
 
Originally posted by hmmm
What's the point of having a top range if the complete range is not top - by only upgrading the 17 and 15" to G5 and leaving the 12" as a G4, then in reality it puts the 12" back in the league of ibooks - it would make zero sense and lose Apple credibility in the portable market - something they don't need
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12" are already near ibooks league with lack of L3 cache. People dont stop buying it because it's slower than it's big brother. Peoples are buying 12" because they want more portability. If there is not enough space in 12" to put G5 so wy would the 15" and the 17" should wait for a smaler version when they are already big enough.
 
Originally posted by hmmm
I agree, either the whole range will go G5 or there'll be a new G5 range on top of the current (upgraded) G4 range - that'd be cool
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Say hello to the UltraBook :p

Not going to happen!
 
Re: 64-bit laptops already available

Originally posted by AidenShaw
Tadpole has been selling 64-bit Alpha and SPARC notebooks for many years....

http://www.tadpolecomputer.com/html/

home_main1.jpg
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Sun® Workstation performance in a reliable, affordable notebook.
SPARCLE® notebooks from Tadpole® are the most affordable, full featured UNIX notebooks money can buy. Ideal for telecommuting, training, field support or remote systems administration, they deliver portable workstation-class performance. SPARCLE® notebooks can be used to demonstrate, run and develop Solaris applications or as a portable SPARC®-powered server. Offering unprecedented price/performance, SPARCLE® notebooks come well-equipped with an impressive set of standard features:

440MHz, 500MHz or 650MHz UltraSPARC® processors
14.1" XGA or 15" SXGA+ TFT LCD
Integrated CD-ROM or CD-RW/DVD
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802.11b wireless networking
Up to 2GB DRAM
The SPARCLE® notebooks come pre-installed with the Solaris 9 Operating Environment and StarOfficeTM 6.0.

looks great, but at $3000 it hurts
 
Originally posted by DrGonzo
Could it be? The last powerbook rumor! I can only hope.
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Is there truly such a thing as the last PowerBook rumor? :) That would be a sad day.


Bring on further rampant G5 PowerBook speculation
 
Originally posted by Vlade
I agree, who would pay 3000 bucks for a G4 right now, not me anyways!
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These comments are interesting. Even in today's market lots of people would buy a really nice G4 computer at that price. I will get the 15" Al soon after it comes out. The processor is adequate but I really like (and will make use of ) the total package - DVI out, AE, FW, USB, etc.

Just for historical reference, about six years ago Apple sold the PowerBook 3400c. It had a 240MHz 603e PPC. Fully loaded the list price was $6,500. At the time it was the fastest laptop in the world.

Fully loaded in 1997 meant no FW, no USB, no CD-R, no Superdrive, 3GB HD, only 10MB Ethernet(optional), one ADB port, one serial port, one SCSI port, no Airport slot, 12.1" 800 x 600 display, 7.2 pounds, no backlit keyboard, 2.4" thick, no OS X (shipped with System 7.6.1), maximum RAM 144MB, no graphics card, 512k graphics memory, no video out, no DVI out.

I understand that in today's market a G4 is not leading edge. However, it's awesome to look how far we've come in six years. For less than half the money you now get a hell of a lot more PowerBook.
 
Originally posted by mxpiazza
i'd be VERY surprised if the laptops are g5's... lets be realistic here people, these things are simply waaaay too hot to be realistic laptop processors at the current production processes and speeds. however, if they do end up coming out with a g5 powerbook... my 1.8 g5 has a 30-day guarennteed return period.
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Aaaaaagh! Why do people keep saying this?!?! Search around for threads! The G5 running at 1.2 GHz consumes less energy and produces A LOT less heat than a 1 GHz G4 (7455). While unlikely that they will be put in the laptops this early, it is NOT because of heat or energy consumption!!!
 
I'm always amazed at the silliness of some posters. Apple just got delivery from IBM - somewhat late it seems, of the new VERY HOT RUNNING "G5" chips. The Power Mac requires enormous heat sinks and a bunch of fans to keep the processors from overheating. How in the world could one expect these chips to find their way into a slim portable? Obviously they can't and won't. A future variation of the current chip without the heat problems will be available in maybe 6 months. One other thing. LCD prices, particuarly the 12" and 15" varieties are going up in price. Manufacturers are shifting to other sizes and capacity is not meeting demand at this time.
 
Re: Not too hot...

Originally posted by daveschroeder
Wrong. ["The PPC 970 dissipates too much heat for a PB"] is an incorrect statement that, for some reason, keeps getting repeated. As with all incorrect statements, saying it over and over again doesn't make it true.

According to IBM's PowerPC 970 documentation, a 1.2 GHz PowerPC 970 comes in at 19W power dissipation (typical), while a 1.8 GHz PowerPC 970 comes in at 42W.

Meanwhile, Motorola's PowerPC 74xx documentation indicates that a 1 GHz PowerPC 7455, the latest processor about which data is available, dissipates 35.5W (typical) (and 50W max).[1]
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The statement keeps getting repeated because it is, in fact, true.

The Moto link you provided gives the specs for the *original* 7455 processor revision - not the current revision. If you look at a more recent document, you will see that the current revision of the MPC 7455 (released in Oct/Dec) dissipates only 14 watts at 1 Ghz (well, 13 watts at 933 Mhz and 15 watts at 1067 Mhz - you can do the imputation). So the 1.2 Ghz 970 would use 35% more power than the 1 Ghz 7455, which is already considered to be at the upper limits of power consumption for the Powerbooks (otherwise Apple would have put 1.1 or 1.2 Ghz 7455 processors in the Powerbooks months ago).
 
Originally posted by pkradd
I'm always amazed at the silliness of some posters. Apple just got delivery from IBM - somewhat late it seems, of the new VERY HOT RUNNING "G5" chips. The Power Mac requires enormous heat sinks and a bunch of fans to keep the processors from overheating. How in the world could one expect these chips to find their way into a slim portable? Obviously they can't and won't. A future variation of the current chip without the heat problems will be available in maybe 6 months. One other thing. LCD prices, particuarly the 12" and 15" varieties are going up in price. Manufacturers are shifting to other sizes and capacity is not meeting demand at this time.
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This has to be stopped. Those who post non-sense like this should have their posting privledges revoked.
 
Originally posted by ColoJohnBoy
Aaaaaagh! Why do people keep saying this?!?! Search around for threads! The G5 running at 1.2 GHz consumes less energy and produces A LOT less heat than a 1 GHz G4 (7455). While unlikely that they will be put in the laptops this early, it is NOT because of heat or energy consumption!!!
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like i said... at CURRENT SPEEDS (which are 1.6-2.0) nothing has been stated that any g5's at lower clock speeds are being produced right now in mass quantities suitable for a new product introduction. read a little bit more closely before you rip someone's head off.
 
I still don't understand why people keep talking about heat being an issue with the G4 and G5, when Intel has no trouble cooling 3.2ghz P4s which consume more energy with heatsinks 1/4 the size
 
Originally posted by crees!
This has to be stopped. Those who post non-sense like this should have their posting privledges revoked.
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I agree. Well, maybe not to that extent. But maybe on every PowerBook rumor, Arn could make a little reminder saying that this simply is not true. A G5 Powerbook at 1.2 GHz would be cooler than today's 1 GHz G4.
 
Originally posted by ColoJohnBoy
Aaaaaagh! Why do people keep saying this?!?!
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Once again, people keep on saying it BECAUSE IT'S TRUE. Please refer to my post above to see that the people claiming that the 970 is cooler than the 7455 are not comparing the 970 to the CURRENT revision of the 7455.
 
also... anyone with a g5 just take a look at the heatsink on the thing... it's like 4 inches deep. most people should be happy that new powerbooks are being released, now here we are complaining and arguing and putting others down just because everyone now wants to believe that the new books are going to be g5... when is this going to end? never. we'll find out tuesday, but some of the people on this forum with their big mouths and attitudes are going to eat their words when the books are g4. and if they're g5, i'll never post another reply on these forums again, that is how sure i am of this. no matter how much anyone wants to or can justify that g5's are *possible*, it's not going to happen.
 
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