Got a tip for us?
Let us know
Become a MacRumors Supporter for $50/year with no ads, ability to filter front page stories, and private forums.
New PowerMacs and 20" LCD
- Thread starter MacRumors
- Start date
- Sort by reaction score
Re: Re: Someone explain Apple to me....
Oh boy, do you have any idea how the Dell system works? They have only 2 days of material in stock, demand their suppliers to deliver within 4 hours! And, believe it or not, they also have completely customisable laptops.
It is very possible that Apple has even more stock of raw material than Dell does.
Oh boy, do you have any idea how the Dell system works? They have only 2 days of material in stock, demand their suppliers to deliver within 4 hours! And, believe it or not, they also have completely customisable laptops.
It is very possible that Apple has even more stock of raw material than Dell does.
Doubtfull. Examples of app's that I would bet my life are multi-threaded:
IE
Netscape
Chimera
Mozilla
Safari
iMovie
iTunes
iDVD
iPhoto
Finder (not well done from what I've heard though)
MS Office (all apps)
Keynote
Most of the BSD Core apps (although many of them "fork" processes which, to the user is just about the same) - ie: Apache
The developer tools
Premier
Photoshop
After Effects
Acrobat
the list would go on...
My point is, for large applications, multi-threading (or process forking) is the normal way to do things - not an exceptional situation.
I have a QuickSilver DP 1ghz and i find my PowerMac to be very but very fast at everything that I do (This includes the Flash MX, Fireworks MX and Photoshop 7). So the new PowerMac MDD DP 1.42Ghz wont be slow at all! Most be an amazing machine!! I'm very anxious to see some Xbench results! Must be a hell of a Mac!
Such bull ---get off your butt ( i can see your not a mac gamer) go get a game such as UT ,UT2003 when its released,RTCW,4x4 Evolution now run these on a 867 dual now run these on a 1 gig single and you will find the 1 gig single will blow away your dual 867! go read inside mac gaming or look at acclearate your mac for test they do on different machines. many time they use games ! frame rates! Sure there are those few( such as Quake 3) that know how to use that 2nd cpu just as in the graphics world but again 90% of the stuff out there DONT! SO WHAT THIS MEANS IS THAT 2ND CPU ISNT DOING MUCH UNLESS YOUR PLAYING ITUNES IN THE BACKGROUND OR YOUR DOING A GAUZING BLURRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR! IAM INTERESTED IN FRAME RATES! NOT SLIDE SHOWS!
Just because the OS uses SMP does not mean the application you are running does.
I agree, I consider it competetive when I customize a Dell with similar options, choose top of the line Dell apps (their photo, movie, music, stuff etc.) to simulate (i.e. not as good as) iLife and the price difference is $300 or less.
Top of the line new PM does that nicely, mid-range the gap goes to around $500, low end though ... let us not go there ....
Wow, this is interesting
Looks like Apple really stirred up things here with the announcements today. As someone who is waiting for the refreshed iMacs, I'm a little concerned.
1.) I wonder if Apple will give us at least a 1 GHz processor now that the low end of the PowerMac is only a single 1 GHz processor.
2.) I wonder if they'll improve the speed of the bus on the iMac or purposely cripple it to keep it slower than the slowest PowerMac.
3.) I had been considering biting the bullet and buying a PowerMac instead of the high end iMac. But, I wonder if the low end PowerMac with only a single 1 GHZ CPU is worth the money. That, along with a 17" display puts me $200 more than the top of the line iMac today-which I guess will drop in price when the iMac line finally gets refreshed. I wonder if the dual 867 PowerMac might be a better option if I could get one of those cheap now that they're discontinued.
Hmmm....
Brian
Looks like Apple really stirred up things here with the announcements today. As someone who is waiting for the refreshed iMacs, I'm a little concerned.
1.) I wonder if Apple will give us at least a 1 GHz processor now that the low end of the PowerMac is only a single 1 GHz processor.
2.) I wonder if they'll improve the speed of the bus on the iMac or purposely cripple it to keep it slower than the slowest PowerMac.
3.) I had been considering biting the bullet and buying a PowerMac instead of the high end iMac. But, I wonder if the low end PowerMac with only a single 1 GHZ CPU is worth the money. That, along with a 17" display puts me $200 more than the top of the line iMac today-which I guess will drop in price when the iMac line finally gets refreshed. I wonder if the dual 867 PowerMac might be a better option if I could get one of those cheap now that they're discontinued.
Hmmm....
Brian
Originally posted by Dont Hurt Me
Such bull ---get off your butt ( i can see your not a mac gamer) go get a game such as UT ,UT2003 when its released,RTCW,4x4 Evolution now run these on a 867 dual now run these on a 1 gig single and you will find the 1 gig single will blow away your dual 867! go read inside mac gaming or look at acclearate your mac for test they do on different machines. many time they use games ! frame rates! Sure there are those few( such as Quake 3) that know how to use that 2nd cpu just as in the graphics world but again 90% of the stuff out there DONT! SO WHAT THIS MEANS IS THAT 2ND CPU ISNT DOING MUCH UNLESS YOUR PLAYING ITUNES IN THE BACKGROUND OR YOUR DOING A GAUZING BLURRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR! IAM INTERESTED IN FRAME RATES! NOT SLIDE SHOWS!
No I'm not a gammer, I'm a developer. I've worked for some of the larger Apple developers, and I know how Macs work.
While a bit too complicated to go into on an online forum, basically if an application is written properly then OS X does all the work and will run it on both processors. This is different to applications written for OS 8/9 that needed a special set of instructions to use the second processor. If your apps are not using the second processor than the developer is not doing his job properly. Try doing a little research look at Apple's developer web site. You might learn something.
Oh and BTW, frame rate is more dependent on your graphics card than the processor.
Re: Wow, this is interesting
1) The iMac might not hit 1Ghz, they might go to 933 and keep the 800 as the low end, but I am not sure where that would leave the eMac.
2) They might, but they will sure do something to make it slower, especially now that the low-end PM has a single CPU.
3) I don't think it is worth the money. But that is my opinion, find a dual 867, it will probably be faster than the net iMac and you will get duals. This depends on how you plan to use the machine.
1) The iMac might not hit 1Ghz, they might go to 933 and keep the 800 as the low end, but I am not sure where that would leave the eMac.
2) They might, but they will sure do something to make it slower, especially now that the low-end PM has a single CPU.
3) I don't think it is worth the money. But that is my opinion, find a dual 867, it will probably be faster than the net iMac and you will get duals. This depends on how you plan to use the machine.
andrewh:
Hey I never said that two processors can't run two single-threaded apps at once. Just not one single-threaded app on both processors at once.
JBracy:
eric_n_dfw:
Hey I never said that two processors can't run two single-threaded apps at once.
Just not one single-threaded app on both processors at once.JBracy:
The charts actually reveal that OSX can't keep a single task on a single CPU, and instead juggles them madly, which I think is stupid and probably slows things down.
eric_n_dfw:
Whatever. That list is full of BS. The browsers are not meaningfully multithreaded (well Safari could be but not the Moz ones), iTunes and all that crap has never done anything with a second CPU in my experience, MS Office has never done anything with a second CPU that I've noticed, the BSD apps as you call them (command line tools) are almost all not multithreaded, and the rest of that is the kind of high-end app I was talking about. To summarise: that list is a load a crap and you'll see no SMP speedup in the vast majority of the items within it. (Unless you run more than one at once.)
[Edited for niceness.] A few piddly forks or a itty bitty bit of threading is irrelevant to performance of duals vs singles.
gee over 200 replies to this already, not sure there is anything left to say, but I personally love the fact that both the displays and macs sport lower prices, great move apple.
does anybody know the pixel refresh rates on these 20 inchers (sounds like dubs). I plan on playing games on this on my pc and i wanna make sure i cant see a gun trail on my screen, if anybody can tell me if it is the same as the 22 or 17 because i got those to play with and i can see if i have a lag on it. thanks. doesnt seem like apple specifies it no more than "lighning fast"
iJon
iJon
Then get a dualie, but as far as mac gaming goes most ports( read ports) are usually not using all this cool mac stuff nor the 2nd processor but some of the better companies try to make use of it such as id, But when i see a great new title like Unreal tournament 2003 will not use SMP then of coarse i want clock cycles. Remember Apple did all that dualies stuff to try to make up for where motorola was not taking them! And to a large extent they have succeded with super cool OSX. Even now though it looks like it is still up to them since no g5 or 7457 from motorola! MOTOROLA sure is quite about their CPU's
Just wanted to inject some humor in this thread:
My first brand new Mac was a 7200. It was a 601 running at 75Mhz.
I worked with that until I bought my second brand new Mac, a slot-loading iMac DV running at 400Mhz.
Keeping with the rate of Mhz increases when I buy a new Mac, I should purchase a new Mac when they hit 2133Mhz (see work below).
400/75 = 5.333
5.333*400=2133Mhz.
Anyways, I don't think the 1Ghz is all that bad. Then again, coming from someone on a slot-loading iMac...
My first brand new Mac was a 7200. It was a 601 running at 75Mhz.
I worked with that until I bought my second brand new Mac, a slot-loading iMac DV running at 400Mhz.
Keeping with the rate of Mhz increases when I buy a new Mac, I should purchase a new Mac when they hit 2133Mhz (see work below).
400/75 = 5.333
5.333*400=2133Mhz.
Anyways, I don't think the 1Ghz is all that bad. Then again, coming from someone on a slot-loading iMac...
Heh, that's pretty funny.
Did anyone else notice the "Give us your feedback on the Powermac" link at the bottom of the main PM page?
Did anyone else notice the "Give us your feedback on the Powermac" link at the bottom of the main PM page?
Re: Which GPU do I want?
9700 HANDS DOWN....it kills the Ti.
Originally posted by appeLappe
Hi there! This is my first post!
I?ve noticed that you can choose to update the GPU to either the Geoforce4 Ti or the ATI 9700 Pro for the same price.
Anyone has any thoughts on which to choose?
9700 HANDS DOWN....it kills the Ti.
Re: Re: Which GPU do I want?
iJon
and the fx kills the 9700. and so on and so on. both companies will always be a step behind each other, it just depends if your talking to a ati or nvida person. on my mac i could care less who makes my video card but on my pc its nvidia all the way, ati has poor driver implentation on the pc said and the ti's and fx's beat em, wouldnt have anything else. now lets get those audigy drivers out for mac and our machines will kind of be gaming machines.
iJon
NEW POWERMAC's SUX!
Single processor for $1499?
For the extra $200, the dual 867 was a much faster machine...
To add to this, NO superdrive in the Mid Range....
Bluetooth is an Optional adaptor...
I SAY, WELCOME TO the NEW SCREENS AND PRICING...
And someone needs to be smacked in the head at apple for the new powermac lineup...
FOOLS!
I sell this stuff, powerbooks, GREAT NEWS, Powermacs BIG LOSS
Single processor for $1499?
For the extra $200, the dual 867 was a much faster machine...
To add to this, NO superdrive in the Mid Range....
Bluetooth is an Optional adaptor...
I SAY, WELCOME TO the NEW SCREENS AND PRICING...
And someone needs to be smacked in the head at apple for the new powermac lineup...
FOOLS!
I sell this stuff, powerbooks, GREAT NEWS, Powermacs BIG LOSS
Re: Re: Re: Which GPU do I want?
well, you could always go for this thing instead...
http://www.m-audio.net/products/consumer/revolution_page1.php
well, you could always go for this thing instead...
http://www.m-audio.net/products/consumer/revolution_page1.php
As of this moment in time 9700 is the king. but next month or 2 the FX will rule! Just not to sure of those ati drivers as they seem to update those things constantly. nvidia seems to be a little more on top of the drivers.